The RBA has put rates up now on the belief that the financial crisis is behind us, and it has to return to its established role of controlling inflation.
That this decision was likely was flagged by the speech by Anthony Richards last week, which implied that the RBA, having ignored the house price bubble created by private credit growth in the preceding two decades, was worried about the renewal of the bubble initiated by the Government’s First Home Vendors Boost (I refuse to call it by its official name, since the money clearly went to the vendors, while the buyers copped only higher prices).
Needless to say I am all for trying to contain the house price bubble, which I regard as a disguised Ponzi scheme that has sucked Australian households into unsustainable debt levels. It is quite possible that the increase in interest rates (which is sure to be fully passed on by lenders and will add $20 a week to the servicing costs of a now commonplace $400,000 home loan), combined with the phasing out of the Vendors Boost, will be enough to prick the bubble–especially if it is followed by another rise next month.
But the RBA is doing this in the belief that the economy will return to normal after the recent mild recession–normal meaning growing at about 3% per annum in real terms, and faster than that as it rebounds from the recession.
Unfortunately “normal” in our post-War experience has also involved a return to a rising private debt to GDP ratio. Every recession has involved a fall in debt-driven demand, and every recovery has involved a return to debt rising faster than income. As the global financial crisis has made many people realise, this is simply a formula for avoiding a crisis now by having a bigger one in the future.
I doubt that the RBA appreciates this even today. It is still mired in a neoclassical way of thinking about the economy, which myopically ignores the impact of debt-driven demand on the economy. This is why it can put up rates now in the belief that this will merely fine tune the economy’s performance–reducing the likelihood of inflation in the future.
I think it is likely that the RBA will achieve far more than it intends. The last time the RBA put rates up to attempt to control an asset price bubble that was already out of hand was back in 1989. That exacerbated the economic downturn that was already in train as the debt bubble of the 1980s started to collapse. I expect the outcome of this rate rise will be similar: a downturn that is already in train as a debt bubble bursts will be made worse by this increase in rates at a time of greatly heightened financial fragility.
The problem this time is I believe far worse than 1990. Then the household sector had a relatively low level of debt–the mortgage debt to GDP ratio was a comparatively trivial 18 percent, compared to its now record level of 87.5%. It was therefore possible for the financial sector to lend willy-nilly to households, something neoclassical economists facilitated by their enthusiastic deregulation of the financial sector.
Who is there to lend to today? All sectors of the economy except the government are carrying record levels of debt. Thus while the Vendors Boost and other enticements encouraged some additional borrowing by the already massively leveraged household sector–and gave us a household debt to GDP ratio that now exceeds America’s–I simply can’t imagine who (apart from the government) the financial sector can now sell debt to.
As a result, I doubt that we will see any sustained acceleration in the debt to GDP ratio, with the consequence that the debt-financed component of aggregate demand will be anaemic at best. Since that has been the major source of growth in aggregate demand for many years now, I expect that economic growth will be substantially less than the RBA anticipates.
If so, just as it killed a dragon that wasn’t there by its inflation-fighting rate rises up until March of 2008, it may be taming a lion that is sound asleep with its rate rises now. If economic growth does in fact stay well below levels that reduce unemployment in the coming two years, then there will be very good grounds for revoking the independence that the RBA has had in setting monetary policy. We may as well hand it back to the politicians, if the alternative is to leave it with neoclassical economists who don’t understand the dynamics of our credit-driven economy.






October 6th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
If any one is interested in a comparison on the current corporate insolvency numbers to the insolvency numbers post 1987 I’ve recently released a Business Stress Report. Most had thought insolvency numbers were on the improve, having peaked last December to March but by my reckoning, and comparing to 1987, they are getting worse. The latest BSR revealed a significant increase in the cost of insolvencies with the following key findings:
• The cost of bad debts to Australian Banks in the quarter to June 2009 was $10.8 billion which is the highest ever recorded. That compares to an average of around $4.4 billion per year for the years 1995 to 2008.
• The number of companies entering some form of insolvency administration has topped the 10,000 mark for the first time.
• The new numbers reflect what happened to insolvency numbers after the 1987 Stock Market crash at which time the number and cost of bad debts did not peak for 4 years.
More detail at http://www.restructuringworks.com.au/business-stress-report.html
Cheers
October 6th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Hi Steve,
.. and the markets will become euphoric thinking about green shoots. I find market movements and Bloomberg headlines funny these days.
Also higher interest rates are bad for employment because firms incur more interest charges and they allot a lesser amount to wages. Higher interest rates are bad as far as the distribution of wealth is concerned.
October 6th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Actually I think the RBA does not really want you to walk
October 6th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
How much higher could the RBA raise interest rates (in the current economic meltdown)?
October 6th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
“How much higher could the RBA raise interest rates”
By as much as necessary to dissuade people from bidding up the price of existing housing stock it would seem. Strange policy objective for an institution chartered with the task of keeping inflation in check.
October 6th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Here’s a question; has the RBA ever clearly enunciated its definition of what the “normal interest rate” actually is and on what basis it defines and justifies this? And what is an “emergency setting” in terms of existing Monetary policy and how is it defined?
I ask because these terms are used liberally by the RBA and the fourth estate but no one seems to know exactly what they really mean.
October 6th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
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October 6th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Interest rates are determined by supply and demand. RBA probably is just following the international market.
October 6th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Steve,
Great site, and very timely response to the interest rate decision by the RBA.
October 6th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Do you have any record of the development of upfront payments during the buildup of the bubble? Recently I read some report stating that the banks are relatively secure because of the recourse loans.
My first guess at the future: the aussies will try to do it better than the US and give money directly to the debtors. Currently a lot of people are fearing inflation in the US. As it always has been, the outcome is totally different from what has been expected. Maybe the greatest bout of inflation will hit Australia first — a country loved by investors for its resource richness.
October 6th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
A comparison of the bubble evolution against equity requirements or similar stuff would be quite useful, too, I guess.
October 6th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Cinquero@10
“Maybe the greatest bout of inflation will hit Australia first — a country loved by investors for its resource richness.”
Some detailed explanation of the mechanism involved and the timing will be appreciated.
October 6th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Cinquero, let’s just concentrate on the buying power of the $A.
October 6th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
I find it hard to believe that something as dumb as neoclassical economics still has any hold at all in our Reserve Banks and our Universities.
Surely not Keynes, nor Marx (with his “analayse capitalism” hat on), nor even Adam Smith would have ignored the impacts of excessive credit and subsequent over-indebtedness on the economy. How can all this knowledge be lost? Where did these idiot neoclassicals come from? Why are they able to persist and to hold on to the levers of power when they are so clearly wrong and clearly in denial of the empirical evidence?
It frustrates the be-jingoes out of me.
October 6th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
I’m confused, isn’t one of our main economic problems that we borrow too much money, and our house prices are way over inflated due to that easy money? With that in mind, what’s wrong with today’s RBA rate increase, doesn’t that make it slightly more discouraging to borrow as much?
I thought we were trying to prick the housing bubble.
October 6th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
“Why are they able to persist and to hold on to the levers of power when they are so clearly wrong and clearly in denial of the empirical evidence?”
In my view they have gotten away with it for so long because the rising tide of the baby boom has created unprecedentedly benign economic conditions from 1949-2007. The level of growth seen during this time leads to a bad case of confirmation bias of neo-classical theories.
Until recently debt has been sustainable because this massive bulge of people kept spending more and more. We only need to be patient and the academic fraud steve and others have been debunking will be laid bare.
October 6th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
“I thought we were trying to prick the housing bubble.”
That’s been part of the RBA’s “explanation” for this rise, since there’s precious little evidence that inflation is on the rise.
The problem is that RBA interest rate hikes affects the cost of all cash rate linked lending, not just that used for housing.
So business, especially if trade exposed, is experiencing the worse of all possible worlds; a sluggish local and international economy, rising borrowing costs and a loss of international competitiveness.
And all because the RBA is trying to use the very blunt instrument of monetary policy to achieve an objective much better suited to well targeted fiscal policy; namely avoiding the housing bubble.
October 6th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Definitely worth a cross-post, Bill Mitchell’s take on today’s events:
http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=5294
October 6th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Dear Steve and all,
I understand that this blog is mostly interested in the interface between finances and macroeconomics and that my request will probably be a bit of a distraction, but I would like to know how do you guys view the effects of this interest raise (and potentially others following soon) on employment and wages.
Steve already made some observations regarding unemployment in the next two years. Can anyone offer any additional details?
The RBA press release was very vague (ominously so, I would add)
STATEMENT BY GLENN STEVENS, GOVERNOR
MONETARY POLICY
http://www.rba.gov.au/MediaReleases/2009/mr-09-23.html
October 6th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Although interest rate rises will place quite some pressure on mortgagee incomes, something else will need to operate in tandem with rate rises to precipitate a steep decline in home prices. Perhaps that factor will be the imminent insolvency of CIT, or the destruction of more capital due to the collapse of US option ARM or ALT A loan portfolios or even commercial property lending portfolios. I’m sure you know that level of US option ARM and Alt A loan resets will rise from November 2009 and keep escalating until they peak in mid-2011 resulting in yet more loan losses. In fact the losses are quite predictable and are likely to result in just over a trillion more dollars being lost.
As we are a capital importing country we are vulnerable to these potential shocks or an even greater shock such as the collapse of demand for treasuries which will force sharp US rates rises and raise inflation. There are so many risks that that housing looks like a lousy bet because things could get seriously ugly over the next 12 months.
However, I don’t believe that the US will allow that to happen. There is no political will to cut spending and stop printing money. They are intent on sweeping the problem into the next government’s term and will keep stimulating until they threaten the solvency of their currency. Bear in mind also that unlike Argentina or Brazil the lenders to the US are the ones who bear the foreign exchange risk. As unlikely as it appears, it is even possible (although not probable) that the US may grow or inflate its way out of its debt trap. I believe that they will try after all there is no other politically expedient way out for them.
However, in the short-term, with the US Federal Reserve keeping interest rates at close to zero I can’t see any dramatic rate rise here. That’s not to say that rates here can’t rise by up to 2 per cent.
It’s hard to forsee where we go from here. I don’t envy any economist having to call the next 12 months.
October 6th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Wow! Just read Anthony Richards paper. For richards underlying demand is the sum:
Demand due to natural growth of the population;
Demand due to trends in household size (i.e. the number of people per dwelling);
Demand for new houses that replace houses that have been demolished; and
Demand for second or vacant homes (presumably holiday homes.)
He doesn’t make a single mention on the demand for housing caused by speculative activity fed by negative gearing. Housing is treated entirely as consumption good. How ridiculous? I’ll bet that around 40-50% of fixed homes are purchased by investors. Surely that group imposes a strong risk to price as it needs to make an economic return form a pretty inflated investment that cannot generate an adequate return for the capital deployed. I would love to know the metrics behind the risk from the negatively geared crowd
It is sad that the analysis does recognise the demand for housing as a means of speculation, tax avoidance and the role that this has played in lifting home prices to such unsustainable levels.
October 6th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Alright so… first post – been following Keen’s stuff (and your comments) for about 8months now – you’re a gutsy man Steve and I reckon there’s even a fair swag of the neo-classicals that would secretly admire your conviction in the face of everything.
However, starting to get a little edgy about the economic future of our country – I’m in my mid twenties and have been crawling around powerstations all year to put some money aside, so I have savings and no debt. I’ve always been the person that gets suspicious when bandwagons are a little too easy to jump on and a little to full of plebs – hence I haven’t bought a house and didn’t put any $’s in shares. So… rate rises may be a good thing for my savings but I am starting to realise that as a ’saver’, i’m actually an ‘investor’ in a fiat currency and i’m starting to get a little nervous about my investment (ie. I have no faith in the drunken sailors at the helm of this ship).
My question is: Since we all seem a little ahead-of-the-curve how do we prepare for and profit from what’s going to happen? Bullturnedbear – I feel we’re on similar wavelengths from reading your posts (the bits I understand) so your advice in particular would be appreciated. I’ve been leaning towards currency trading but it’s hard to get advice I can trust off the internet.
I realise this post has been very ‘take’ and no ‘give’ to the community but with time I hope to change that.
regards,
don
Btw – I’ve travelled through Argentina and those guys are still hurting from their 1999-2002 crisis. hopefully something similar doesn’t happen here.
October 6th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Government panders to the voters by artificially pumping the housing prices, Reserve Bank panders to bank shareholders by handing them some guaranteed profit and the middle Australian mortgage holders do the work and pick up the tab.
Everything is exactly as it should be!
Why are you always moaning Steve?
I actually see this as a good thing (even though I have a mortgage myself) because it’s a good thing for the nation as a whole.
*leans in close, speaking with slight whisper, Robert Gottliebsen style* …and I’ll tell you why.
It proves that either the Reserve Bank is truly independent of the government, or the pair of them have a very smooth “good cop / bad cop” routine going. Now we have the ratbag, good-for-nothing NSW Government putting up posters all over Sydney offering 50% discount on stamp duty, so the Reserve Bank turns around and whacks up interest rates to balance it out. The interest rise bumps up bank profits, and coincidently the Federal Government taxes those profits and the NSW government get to watch the tax they could have taken being slurped up by the Feds instead. Round and round. What a fun game to play!
“When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” — Benjamin Franklin.
The job of the RBA is to convince the people of Australia that perpetual motion is impossible, and hopefully keep the Republic in a functional state. We could of course, use gold as our currency and get exactly the same effect the old, boring and reliable way, but that would be too easy.
By the way, if the NSW government wants a great method of lifting housing prices, perhaps they should consider making Sydney an attractive place to live? You know, with industry and stuff. Might I suggest hiring Jeff Kennett?
October 6th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
I cannot agree that the Reserve Bank got it wrong. If debt is the problem, and like Steve I am convinced it is, then we should not encourage more debt by low interest rates.
In my area, unit prices have probably gone up at least 20%, if not more in the last few months. Too many people are being sucked into buying units at ridiculous prices.
Therefore raise interest rates to discourage borrowing and let China mitigate any slowdown we experience with their purchases of our commodities.
Interest rates are only a small part of the solution to discourage excessive borrowing and also to make housing affordable. The following steps should also be taken
1.
October 6th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Thanks for that Steve. You summerised the last 2 hours of my thoughts. I totally agree with you, nobody see’s the problems that you continue to highlight. What do you think the exchange rate will do though? I think that 10 year Treaury yields will fall hugely, but am unsure what the AUD will do. On one side you have deflationary credit which will be supportive, and on the other hand you have the potential for a reversal of hot money if rates do not rise as expected. What do you think?
Thank you
Stuart
October 6th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
I must have hit the wrong key. To continue, the required steps in my opinion.
1. Abolish first home owners grant completely
2. Abolish negative gearing
3. Relax zoning to ensure plenty of cheap land available for housing
4. Increase property taxes on unimproved value of land to discourage hoarding of land. This can replace stamp duty on land transactions to reduce costs for buying and selling of land
5. Abolish concessional treatment of capital gains
I am sure many other steps can also be taken. But I believe these would be very good first steps to reduce overall debt in households and the economy that we can have proper balanced growth after a period of adjustment
Regards
David
October 6th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
I take the point of this article. However I think a little interest rate rise will be a good thing. There is a balancing act going on here.
The important thing is to keep mortgagees (and credit card holders) pre-paying their loans, which they have been doing at record rates in the last year, despite reducing incomes. Low interest rates make that easier of course, but also encourage new borrowers, especially the First Home Buyers.
The balancing act is to continue stimulating pre-payments while discouraging new indebtedness, and I think psychologically a couple of small rate rises will do that quite nicely. And the timing may also quiten down the usual Christmas spending on pointless bling (Bah! Humbug!).
There have been signs in retail spending patterns that consumers have been getting a bit blase in just the last couple of months.
As others have pointed out there are more pointed ways of getting the balance right without using the blunt instrument of rate rises, however that requires Government not RBA intervention.
October 6th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Bunnet: agree with everything, but not just should we abolish concessional treatment of capital gains, we should abolish capital gains tax completely.
On what moral or economic basis should the holder of an asset be penalised and taxed because a government was unable to keep inflation under control? The asset owner didn’t cause the inflation, why should they take a penalty for something that is not their fault?
October 7th, 2009 at 12:38 am
steve keen said
“We may as well hand it back to the politicians, if the alternative is to leave it with neoclassical economists who don’t understand the dynamics of our credit-driven economy.”
the thing is , the reserve bank act of 1959 seems to give wayne swan the power to overide reserve bank decisions.
to quote the relevent section
“11 Differences of opinion with Government on questions of policy
(1) The Government is to be informed of the Bank’s policy as follows:
(a) the Reserve Bank Board is to inform the Government, from
time to time, of the Bank’s monetary and banking policy;
(b) the Payments System Board is to inform the Government,
from time to time, of the Bank’s payments system policy.
(2) In the event of a difference of opinion between the Government
and one of the Boards (the relevant Board) about whether a policy
determined by the relevant Board is directed to the greatest
advantage of the people of Australia, the Treasurer and the relevant
Board shall endeavour to reach agreement.
(3) If the Treasurer and the relevant Board are unable to reach
agreement, the relevant Board shall forthwith furnish to the
Treasurer a statement in relation to the matter in respect of which
the difference of opinion has arisen.
(4) The Treasurer may then submit a recommendation to the
Governor-General, and the Governor-General, acting with the
advice of the Federal Executive Council, may, by order, determine
the policy to be adopted by the Bank.
there is an unwritten rule in politics, that outcomes are determined by stopping decisions before they are taken
so why doesnt wayne swan do it, noble or muscle the board informally before decisions are taken, he has the power
the law is one thing, but the pervasive impact of the prejudices and bad ideas , that occupy the minds of those who sit on the rba board, and others that advise wayne swan is another
to quote shakespeare, “some laws are more honoured in the breach”,
in our case due to the misguided prejudices of the neo classical agenda, that advocate minimal government interfearence in the economic affairs of the nation.
wayne swan has the power, its just that he’s caught some parts of the contagen glen stephens, warwick mcgibben have.
forget about swine flu, we need economic patholigists like steve to quaranteen the cabinet and administer a cure, if its not too late
October 7th, 2009 at 2:35 am
Slightly off topic. But important.
Because of the Global Meltdown, is anyone noticing a big jump in the phish mail/spam that you get? First Hot Mail got hacked. And now Google.
I just talked to my mobile carrier re: software tools to help you trace somebody trying to hack you. Not surprisingly, I got the standard corporate we-can’t-be-hacked response. But (to possibly add to your paranoia?), here’s an expert who says that yes, even mobiles can be hacked:
http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/37482?page=1
October 7th, 2009 at 4:27 am
Steve,
does there have to be psychic pain felt by the herd for there to be a true Minsky moment?
My perception of the NZ housing market is that because interest rates have dropped so low, so fast, that little pain was felt, and that another boom is well under way. Either that or one heck of a dead cat bounce.
I felt that NZ was heading towards a Minsky moment in the middle of 2008. Now I feel that it has avoided one.
You seem to be saying that the psychic pain needs to be avoided by giving the people who went into debt a free pass.
If everyone who is currently in debt gets a free pass via debt relief, and little pain is felt, then I would be very keen myself to go out and leverage to the eyeballs. It would seem that under your proposal the message that would be remembered is that there is no incentive to be prudent.
This was not the message taken by the people who survived the great Depression.
By dropping the interest rates so low, so fast, much pain was avoided and house prices are once again on the increase at a great rate of knots in New Zealand.
The difference when the next crisis hits is that the NZ government will also be loaded up on debt and won’t be able to pork the economy to the same extent.
October 7th, 2009 at 4:49 am
Gibber,
Looks like that’s what is happening in Australia, unless ofcourse the rise in interest rates counters the equation.
October 7th, 2009 at 7:47 am
I believe that raising interest rates by 0.25% or even 0.5% may have quite limited direct impact on the economy.
This is just a plain propaganda too used to control the herd of lemmings very similar to the First Hog (“home owner grant”). Now enough lemmings have moved towards the edge of the cliff – time to sacrifice some of them and shepherd the rest towards the hill.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Steve correctly points out that the RBA is wrong! There is already a gigantic bubble in House prices and FHB sucked a lot of vulnerable people into the housing market and also caused the bubble to inflate further. If they really wanted to contain home prices they would have done it 10 years backs. Now we are game on and have a check mate situation, because increasing interest rates will lead to a prick of the bubble and decreasing it further will see the bubble inflating its way until it pops on it (but would help to pay off existing debt down if there is no new debt). I dont think it will be quick but I hope I could convince Glen Stevens to hurry up to the 6% mark.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Ben Bernanke and the New Keynesian Models
Steve, I’ve read your blog for some time now, and have noted your war against neoclassical economists. You have declared on many occasions that the central banks of the world are seriously out of touch with the role that debt plays in our economies.
However, I’ve noticed that since the late 1990’s Ben Bernanke has written and co-written many papers on New Keynesian Models, which address the impact of debt on limitting agregate supply, as opposed to your view on how it fuels agregate demand.
What are your thoughts on debt and agregate supply? Is the new keynesian model a valid economic model?
Cheers,
Alex
October 7th, 2009 at 9:47 am
I remember the phrase “the recession we had to have”. I think in about 3-5 years, K Rudd will view 2009 as the year of “the recession we should have had.”
We PROBABLY would have had a reasonably mild recession, house prices would have come down by 10-15%, unemployment would PROBABLY have hit 8% and all in all most australians would have learnt a valuable lession without to much upheaval.
The next phase will proably be anything but pleasant.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:47 am
If interest rates were 4% higher 12 months ago and property did not crash, why will a 0.25% increase have any real impact now?
October 7th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Tel@28: If we abolish all capital gains tax, wouldn’t that just lead to an even greater asset price bubble, which is what got us into this mess in the first place?
October 7th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Yo,
Property was heading that way last sept-oct. The upper market already had crashed and the low/middle tier was depressed. Builders were willing to negotiate between 5 to 10%. Then came the FHB, stimulus and the rate cuts and the depressed lower/middle tier market was prepped up again and now we have this segment increase by 30 to 50K. 0.25% will not have much impact but I cant wait for them to increase it to 6%.
October 7th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Hi Steve,
If other countries switch from dollars to a mix of currencies, what would be some of the advantages? Wouldn’t you still be subject to many of the same currency market flucuations? Or, would dropping dollars be more of a psychological boost to the market overall?
October 7th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Tsuli @22
I have similar concerns to yours, although I’m @ the opposite end-age to you. Pulled my money out of Super + holding it in Cash + now don’t trust anyone’s advice from the financial sector. And like you I always read what BTB says with great interest. And like you often don’t quite understand it all!
So BTB. Your thoughts helped me last year. Do you have any advice/thoughts for the likes of Tsuli and me on where we could get some clear unbiased information?
October 7th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Yo,
It’s not the .25% per se. It’s the fact that there is now a prospect of a new IR cycle. Consider this rate rise the opening shots in the minds of many people, including those who want to speculate in property. That confirmation (new upward cycle in rates) changes the whole dynamic for investors/speculators in property.It will force that group to reconsider timing, prices paid etc. This rate rise just took many potential buyers out of the market while they re-evaluate things.
Watch for the “get in quick now” meme from RE Agents to “lock in” lower fixed rates.
I suspect that within 12 mths that increase will be taken back and more.The RBA will have egg all over it’s face. Let’s not forget as Steve points out, in the face of what was massive deflatioanry forces the RBA steadfastly increased rates. This while the US was in fact plummetting into a deep recession. I would not be putting my faith in the competance of Glenn Stevens and his RBA Board.
October 7th, 2009 at 11:27 am
GSM
Your comments make sense – although all the MSM reports have been saying that investors /speculators have been sitting on the side waiting to see what will happen.
I agree with you re the likely RBA position in 12 months – might not take that long.
October 7th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Yo,
The MSM are generally used as a tool by property/share spruikers and commentators as a means to manage demand.
Investors and speculators are on the sidelines – means FHB should get in now and quickly otherwise my business will go broke.
FHB have left the market – means that investors/speculators should be looking now as I have sold what little I had to unsuspecting FHB and need to sell some more to unsuspecting speculators keep my business cash flow positive.
There is $B’s of institutional money sitting on the sidelines waiting – means the small guy should buy shares now so the institutions can bank all their profits from the last 6 months.
Get in now and lock in rates – means please come to my open house because really there is no one else.
All the above is to manipulate the reader to do something they would not normally do.
October 7th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Ok, i get it!
I am also trying to understand why share markets around the world rose on the back of a 0.25% rate rise here. Since when was Australia ever important enough to move world markets?! Sounds like grasping at news of green shoots to me.
October 7th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
But then again Yo, there are always opportunities in whatever market for the patient and those that ae ready to move when they identify a temporary anomaly – even in an inflated property market.
October 7th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Soyo, re #40,
I don’t think you should focus on the currency, but on debt. I guess this goes back to comments I exchanged with JDH re holding currency, but this distinction is very important.
First, no one is holding currency, they are all holding assets that pay cash-flows in different currencies, and the amount of those holdings is determined by the debt levels (e.g. asset = debt). The “currency holdings” is a misnomer for holdings of these assets.
When you say that a country “switches” it’s holdings of currencies from A to B, you are saying that the country will sell the debt of country A and buy the debt of country B. But since it must first find a buyer for the debt it already holds, all that matters is the *newly issued* debt. Of course, Japan can always swap some of its existing holdings of dollar assets with England’s holdings of Euro assets, but the net asset position of all holdings will not change this way.
The key determinants of choosing which debt to buy are:
a) Deep liquid, *convertible* international debt markets
b) Interest rate paid (as set by the central bank on the short-end and supply/demand on the long end of the curve).
c) An expectation that that rate will fall, or at least that it will not rise (just as any bond investor hopes for the yield to fall).
This is really just basic accounting. For one country to have a current account surplus, another country must have a current account deficit. In a world with only two countries, if A maintains a current account surplus position with B, then the assets of B become held by A, which means that B becomes the foreign reserve “currency” of A. In a multi-country world, you have many different currencies held in reserve, but the largest such holdings correspond to those countries which have the largest current account debt position on a net basis. Therefore these are the countries that have a reserve position with everyone else.
Therefore a creditor country, regardless of which currency it allows itself to be paid with, will never be able to issue a reserve currency. It must first switch to a current account deficit. This is why England held a net current account deficit even during the gold-standard era. That had to happen for other countries to be able to hold assets denominated in British Pounds.
Therefore these proposals that occasionally pop up in the news — e.g. “switching to SDRs” or the recent Fisk “story” in which creditor countries will declare their own currencies to be reserve currencies are just leaks issued by low level political officials who have no understanding of basic accounting. They have the same feasibility as when a local U.S. legislature voted to redefine pi to be 3. The operational flow is first the current account position, and this determines the foreign asset holdings, and this, by a misnomer, is exactly the “currency holdings” of foreign central banks. You cannot shift those holdings unless the international debt-issuance shifts.
Now, what would be possible, is for everyone to get together and say “American will have a current account surplus so that the foreign holdings of dollar assets are drained to zero”, or “The Eurozone will maintain a net current account deficit position, so that in 20 years, debts in Euros will be just as common in foreign central banks as debts in dollars”. Or maybe “China will hold a current account deficit, so that in 20 years, the Yuan will have a greater foreign reserve position as the dollar”. Those types of proposals, while perhaps not politically feasible, are at least mathematically feasible. Again, focus on the debt-issuance and not on the “currency” holdings.
October 7th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Here’s another part of the lack of universal health care here in the States?
Does Australia have “health savings accounts(HSA’a)”? The idea is supposed to be to help you to cover unexpected medical costs.
But how does it really work?
Basically, it’s a tax credit for large corporations. Ex: one of my fund companies said that they do offer these. But:
They’re not publically advertised.
They’re only for employees of their top clients firms.
If you have a single person health policy, you can’t have it. If you have your own small business, you can’t have it. If you work for one of these clients, then you can. You have to have a very high deductable. And the firm gets a tax credit when they open the account for you. You on the other hand don’t.
Almost no banks here offer this.
If they generate no profit, then why have them at all? Pure corporate PR.
Most people who have these have moderate to low income. How then can they afford the very high premium before their coverage pays for part of their care? The high deductable “makes you think more carefully about your health.”
I was listening to this fund person go thru this corporate sales pitch. And I thought, do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?
Almost makes me want to close my account with them. Unfortunately I don’t have an alternative set yet.
Does this happen in Australia?
October 7th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
At the moment markets are looking for any sign and indication that the world is recovering. An increase in our interest rate indicates that at least one economy is not in recession – and Australia being a resource based economy has also fueled that market.
Basically investors are jittery and are latching on to any report or sign (good or bad). There is a belief that the the market has topped but no one is sure.
One piece of bad news brings about a sell off in the belief that the market has topped.
One piece of good news brings about buying in the belief that the rally has more steam left.
No one knows.
October 7th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Don’t forget the carry trade effect too: while it was already profitable–borrow in US$ at 1-2%, convert to $A, buy Australian bonds yielding 4-6%, AND gain from an appreciating currency enhanced in no small measure by this carry trade–this now adds an additional 0.25% bonus to the margin.
Expect the $A to go through the roof until the bubble bursts, especially in Australian domestic producers and exporters start to very justifiably winge about the impacts on their businesses.