If I was asked to nominate the wisest aphorism of all time, Mark Twain’s “History doesn’t repeat, but it sure does rhyme” would definitely be one of my top two candidates.
On song, today Wall Street is replaying the 1930s, but to a slightly different meter. With the 80th anniversary of the Great Crash of 1929 falling on October 29th of this year, Wall Street is celebrating in characteristic style–with a euphoria-led bubble that now appears to be crashing up against economic reality.
Of course, our time is not a mirror image of that momentous period 80 years ago. It’s closer to a mirror image of the days roughly a year later, when the first two bear market rallies that followed the crash finally petered out, and the long slow grind of the Great Depression gradually took hold on the economy and the minds of America.
But in 1930, though on our reckoning the Depression had well and truly begun, the mindset that prevailed was very similar to today’s—that the worst of the crisis is behind us, and economic recovery is underway.
This mindset is on show at the wonderful blog News from 1930, which in honour of this week’s anniversary is publishing news summaries from the Wall Street Journal of 1929 as well as from 1930. Reading newspaper stories from 1930 is remarkable enough on a day by day basis, as comments made about the recovery that was then in place (and the return of the bull market) could easily have been lifted from today’s—or last week’s—newspapers. But to see these juxtaposed with the actual coverage of the Crash of 1929 is all the more startling.
The most obvious chord in the historical song is that very few people realise when they are participants in an event of historic proportions. Even though the Dow had never fallen by anything like what it did in the five days of the Great Crash, the belief that this would nonetheless turn out to be a rather ordinary event was the dominant perspective, as this excerpt from the Wall Street Journal’s Editorial for Saturday October 26th 1929 indicates:
“The market will find itself, for Wall Street does its own liquidation and always with a remarkable absence of anything like financial catastrophe. … Suggestions that the wiping out of paper profits will reduce the country’s real purchasing power seem rather far-fetched.”
It seems that only in retrospect was it realised that 1929 was a watershed in world history: few living at the time actually understood that—and none of them had their prognostications published by the Wall Street Journal.
One year later, though the far-fetched had become somewhat harder to dismiss, the general tenor of economic and business commentary was that the worst of the crisis was over, and that 1931 would be a bumper year for the market and the wider economy. This observation in a radio address by General Motors executive and Democratic Party National Committee Chair J. Raskob is indicative of business attitudes in 1930:
In closing, let me say that no country in the world, not even our own, was ever in as splendid position to go forward and enjoy a period of prosperity as our own country is today. Everything has been thoroughly deflated and business is now turning upward. The momentum is necessarily slow at first, but within three months … we will quickly leave depression behind.”. (WSJ Tuesday October 1930)
The second chord is that the causes and effects of momentous events can be misunderstood both at the time and in retrospect—which leads humanity to repeat its mistakes all over again. Reading the commentary in the 1930, it is clear that the government of the time was doing all it thought possible to prevent the Crash turning into an economic crisis, and it appeared to believe that it had been successful.
The statistics certainly imply that Hoover wasn’t sitting on his hands doing nothing as Wall Street burned, which is the modern mythology. Government debt was equivalent to 30 percent of GDP when the crisis began; just 3 years later it was 70 percent of GDP—and that was when the so-called “automatic stabilisers” were a lot smaller than they are today (because the government sector was much smaller back then).
Yet the view that dominates conventional economic thinking today is that the Depression was caused by a disengaged government and bad monetary policy—if only the Fed hadn’t tightened in 1930, everything would have been fine. In fact, if the Fed did tighten—and the evidence on that is mixed—it was because they, like today’s Fed, believed they had already done enough to avert catastrophe.
Bollocks to that: the problem in 1930 wasn’t the tightening of fiat money, but the preceding failure to constrain the private debt bubble that financed Wall Street’s speculative excess of the 1920s. Yet armed with the misguided belief that there wouldn’t have been a Great Depression had the Fed not tightened in 1930, the Fed of the 1980s-2007 ignored an even bigger bubble in private debt than its predecessor ignored in the 1920s.
By the time Ben Bernanke made his fawning paean to Milton Friedman at his 90th birthday—“Let me end my talk by abusing slightly my status as an official representative of the Federal Reserve. I would like to say to Milton and Anna: Regarding the Great Depression. You’re right, we did it. We’re very sorry. But thanks to you, we won’t do it again”—the Fed had already caused a far bigger crisis by ignoring private debt and the asset bubble it financed.
I’ll finish with my other favourite aphorism: Max Planck’s observation that “science progresses one funeral at a time”. It will take a lot of funerals before the economics profession abandons the follies that led it to describe the decade leading up to today’s crisis as “The Great Moderation”.






Here is an economic prediction exercise
0.25% or 0.5% tomorrow?
Have we become immune to this or do the sheep not even know that this is going on?
9 more banks in the US seized over the weekend. Taking the total for the year to 117. Ouch! Why are banks still failing in the US as the recovery is underway?
Raising capital should be easy and it should also be easier for people to pay their loans if the economy is recovering.
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/10/bank-failures-107-through-115-nine.html
BTB,
This may answer your question.
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2008/01/history-of-us-bank-failures.html
Seems like there have been times in recent history where the bank failure rate was much much higher than 117 over one year.
Good chart BB,
Thanks
Nice one BB,
I do note that the previous peaks had a number of ‘ramp-up’ years prior to and ‘ramp-down’ years afterwards. from my simple visual inspection of the chart this does seem to be the greatest ever increase year-on-year of bank failures.
Just imagine how many will fail next year if this is just a ‘ramp-up’ year?
On reflection, it probably is not a very good chart. It should show bank failures as a % of total banks (I’m sure the proportion of bank failures in the 1930s are much higher compared to the S&L crisis). I guess that makes the 117 bank failures in 2009 even smaller in comparison, but I don’t know for sure.
There must be a lot of little banks in the US, I think this is a significant difference to Australia which is dominated by 4 main banks.
DrBob, I think there are people out there who know the details of why the banks are failing and how many more are likely to fail. I don’t think extrapolating one chart gives any indication and may in fact be misleading.
Is the bank failure rate picking up or slowing down? – in terms of number of banks and total cap. This kind of data would be biased by the failure of the giant Lehmans and would probably show that Lehmans failure was a peak in terms of total cap.
Hi bb, It may not be a good chart, but one thing for certain the writer is not good at predictions. See the date on the page ‘Saturday, January 12, 2008′.
Here’s the prediction
‘Bottom Line: The U.S. banking system is probably stronger and more stable today than at any time in U.S. history. A subprime crisis by itself will probably not be enough to pull the U.S. economy into a recession in 2008.‘
Bet he’s sorry he ever said that!!
BTB I don’t think ‘CIT’ is in those 9, should it be counted if it’s in voluntary Chapter 11? 5th largest bankruptcy in US history.
I think that in the times of “too big to fails” the number of bank failures compared to previous years can be somewhat misleading. Surely if Citibank goes under, it would be like 1000s of small banks blowing up. It is not an impossible thing to happen, mind you, although the probability of it is arguable.
Perhaps a better comparison would be to compare actual loss depositors would face if there is no FDIC guarantee, to actual losses occurring previously. If tracked as percentage of GDP now and then (or adjusted some other way to cater for inflation and economy expansion over the years) it could be much more telling indicator, especially when comparing Great Depression bank runs and what’s happening now.
Given the amount of propping up for the zombie banks it might not show much unless (or until) a big player implodes again… And everyone will treat it as self-evident after the fact anyway. It’s like the economists confirming the recession in US a year (or so) after it actually happened. Makes you think of usefulness of statistics as a prognostication tool.
“Therefore as mood darkens, so to will the government mood. As such predicting that government will always act like it did when everyone felt exuberant is flawed as government will quite often act in the opposite direction. Assuming the theory is correct of course”
couldnt disagree with you more btb,
the whole tenor of stimulus spending in oz haz been about preserving the wealth effect of the population. rudd et al arnt going to die wondering when it comes to preserving their electoral fortunes.
they have a 300 billion dollar get themselves elected card, and automatic stabilisers aside , they are going to keep putting money into our bank accounts if they have to. and as each day goes by and the governments revenue position improves on the up side, the more they have to buy their way out of trouble.
the mood in the government is about self preservation, and the public may be misguidedly nervous about the potential size of the deficit,
but they arnt going to give a rats arse about it , if it means preserving their jobs and the value of their houses.
having said this , i think the key battle ground is going to be between the government and the big 3 and half banks.
i think your point about risk premiums are key, in that will there come a point in time where the banks will re weight the risk premium attached to their mortgage lending, like they have done to commercial lending, if the housing assett bubble just keeps rising.
or is there going to be an external shock that alters global capital flows, which again would cause the banks to re assess their risk premiums, and go slow on the mortgage market , thus threatening the wealth stores people have in their houses.
even under such circumstances you would think government spending can overide any nervousness bankers may have, and make them bend to the governments will through the magic of the government deposit creating mechanism.
so , i think we are going to have to wait for the political and ideological tide to turn, and a right of centre party to gain power, and impose upon itself some self inflicted economic wounds by overturning the deficit are ok approach thats currently in play.
and given the polical landscape at the moment, i cant see that happening until the second half of the next decade,
sir humphrey appleby had a saying ” a government can have as much unemployment as its prepared to put up with”
and rudd isnt going to countenance levels of umemployment that have the ablitity to undermine the housing market, so the mantra of large deficits are going to prevail for the time being.
offcourse mr stevens at the reserve might have his own ideas about how to slowly deflate the bubble. and given that interest rates are a very blunt instrument, the potential for misscalculation is enormous.
BTB: “At one level TAE have been a bit naive for not tempering their predictions or at least placing some obvious caveats along the way. Also to lay out the most dire conclusion with no steps in between scares most people away. In saying that I do admire them for not soft peddling like most other commentators.”
This in itself is fine. However as you say it leaves them open to obvious counterpoints, which is also not a problem would it not be for the fact they have over time removed all posters (quite a few) who make such counterpoints.
I would admire them if they made their brave predictions and stood ready to debate them with well informed commenters with views misaligned with theirs.
But they won’t. Ask ilargi why they stifle such debate on their forum, and why they remain anonymous. I would say if they are predicting to their readers the coming end of all western civilisation, they have a duty to acknowledge the counter arguments.
Compare that with debtwatch, where steve welcomes debate from austrian leaning commenters and others not aligned with his thinking and defends his own position openly when they question it.
Good call Scepticus. Does seem very strange.
I have often thought that it must take a massive amount of time to read, discard and collate so many articles. Maybe it is a time factor. If that’s the case, it’s a shame because I agree with you the debates are very worthwhile.
The other possibility is that we have been very blessed on this site. The debates don’t often get too personal and out of control. Maybe at TAE they got sick of being ranted at.
Then again maybe they don’t value debate. That could be an Australian trait. We may just love a good argument. It’s true that we are not afraid to tell it as we see it. I know I’ll get in trouble for that comment.
I agree with what you say about Steve. He is a real goer and I admire him for it.
‘or is there going to be an external shock that alters global capital flows’
I don’t think BTB is suggesting OZ will be trigger, but when the crunch comes will will be hit hard. If the market goes collapses in the US I doubt Rudd’s handouts will be able to halt the slide here. The economy’s the Titanic, they can move the deck chairs all they like.
BTB all the most popular economic and finance blogs have one key attribute – as long as things stay civil they don’t censor comment.
Debtwatch, mish shedlock, zero hedge, housepricecrash.co.uk, all have different general bias in terms of economic and political thought and all welcome assenting and dissenting comment. The ranting at TAE had begun long before I began posting there and it began because dissenters to the main view there were either banned or pushed out.
The end game of following that kind of policy is that only cheerleaders are allowed to post, which kills the credibility of the message IMO. This is where TAE now finds itself, and why I predict ilargi will not debate the issues with us here.
Very strange IMO too. Oh well their loss.
Philip,
Thanks for the references. I know the Mark Blaug and Joseph McCauley’s papers. But those of E.K. Hunt I will certainly look up in the future.
My remark about heterodoxy is a lament of the fragmentation of economics due to a forced and failed orthodoxy. Mainstream economics cannot possibly answer important questions on economics, simply because it has defined all relevant questions as “externalities”, things which are uncontrollable, unpredictable and not worth studying. Very sad.
@Bullturnedbear 151
“I do not believe in large scale conspiracies. Maybe at my peril. I am comfortable if you believe in conspiracies though. This belief is quite common and equally hard to disprove as by definition conspiracies must remain secret to be maintained.”
I have mentioned some large scale conspiracy theories but when I mentioned some truthful facts about history concerning the Mormons and the Freemasons you came back at me with anger.
I live and care for someone that implicates certain conspiracies. In conspiracy circles, I am a loner since I question many of them. I question them since they are based on Biblical prophecy. I base my theories on observable facts.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/sexual-abuse-hides-behind-the-broken-masks-of-shame-20091028-hl1x.html
This is the tip of a massive Iceberg. The article is written by Dr Middleton, the director of the trauma and dissociation unit at Belmont Hospital in Brisbane. I just may know much more about the disorder than Dr Middleton. As I have previously stated on this blog, I had to wade through many outrageous conspiracy theories to just get to the information that made sense of what I was witnessing firsthand. Yes, I had to make sense of what I was wading through. While you may be living comfortably (if not, hopefully soon), I am living in poverty and I don’t get any help. The reason for this is DID is (or was) a well hidden secret.
HI Alan G,
I am sorry for your pain.
My “anger” was because in a previous thread you called me an exploiter.
I am sorry Steve this is slightly off-topic but I think that it relates somehow to the main issue which is the enslavement of people by our social structure.
Alan,
I know that you (and at least one blog member TTINT who admitted yesterday to be born there) may find my post outrageous but I found the whole culture of an Eastern European country (I mean Poland) based to some extent on a kind-of dissociative identity disorder.
It has nothing to do with sexual abuse but with the domination of one religious group (Catholic Church), traditional Slavonic culture and long term effects of Stalinist communism.
People constantly fight for everything and generally hate each other. This is well manifested in the public life:
http://news.stv.tv/world/128521-polish-pm-to-reshuffle-govt-after-scandal/
(One may say – this is normal, the sacking of Whitlam’s government looked similar. But this is going on and on all the time)
The witch hunt involves going after people involved with the communist government more than 20 years ago:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildstein_list
These catholic journos champion the art of spitting at any opponents:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Maryja
I could find hundreds of even more compelling examples but not all of them have been leaked to the English language domain and I have no time to translate these stories.
This is what RSJ wrote some time ago – in this case I think he was spot-on:
“But I would suggest that the trouble with Eastern Europe, and Slavs in general, is a very sick culture. I say this as a Slav myself. There are all sorts of jokes about the slavic farmer who is granted a wish, and uses his wish to send a curse on his neighbor for having a prize winning sow, instead of wishing for his own prize-winning sow. It is a very fatalistic and envious place, filled with hate for anyone who paints their apartment, or gets a new car. That makes it very hard to have a modern credit-based economy. Hell, it makes it hard to have public bathrooms in which everything nailed down isn’t stolen. Social capital is important.”
(OK this wasn’t about Poland – nobody steals from public toilets any more – but you have to pay for using them everywhere or go to the bushes…)
On the other hand you have a proud nation of martyrs happy to spill their own blood on any occasion. You have “Solidarity” and the Pope. The greatest nation on the Earth.
This sick culture also affects life of the people in the micro scale. If you are active there is no way to isolate yourself – because it is generally much harder to change anything there, people still have jobs for life and constantly fret about losing them. You spend time in the office constantly playing politics with your co-workers, most of them you hate – or join one of the networks and keep doing the sam. I was told by one of my colleagues “why do you constantly find problems, you should simply accept the reality, give up your constant struggle for nothing, then you will fit in”. I was supposed to accept my “karma” and be happy – according to his definition of happiness.
Once I discovered that the system works as described above I was instantly cured. I applied for a skilled visa to Australia and simply walked away free. I don’t have to fit into the network any more. All I need is to earn some money and buy whatever I want.
Was general Jaruzelski a traitor or a hero? Should in-vitro be banned because it kills human life?
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4422236,00.html
This is not my problem any more. BTW my kids simply don’t speak Polish, I never pushed them to do that after our arrival, we speak English. This is how much I treat the great Polish culture with contempt. And I was not instantly killed by the nostalgia for the the motherland what was predicted by my Polish friends. I am not affected by the Polish culture any more, I only spend a few minutes a day calling my family there.
The prosecutor, judge and executioner – they all were supposed to sit in my head and do the job. Nothing like that happened. They don’t exist unless I invite them to be there.
So I think that there is one common denominator there – the enslavement by relationship with other people which affects my mind. The struggle can take the whole life. I would never be able to win because the enemy would sit inside my head.
The only way this can be solved is by simply walking away from the toxic environment and leaving these people alone – regardless of the the circumstances. But I had to learn all of these in a very hard way. And yes – I am to some extent an anarchist. Not in the sense that I see any chance to dispose of the institution of the state or the global corporate order but in the sense that I hate the enslavement of people by the toxic and alienated culture – whatever it is.
Just walk away and do simple things one at a time.
Alan – is this all pure rubbish?
ak,
every country has a story, every country has good and bad, we are all human beings and are all subject to the same strengths and weaknesses. If anything the Poles are a little prone to dramatising their existence and should chill out a bit…
TruthIsThereIsNoTruth,
I am sorry I disagree. For me there is a significant difference between cultures which are toxic and these which are less toxic. I count Polish culture as one of the most toxic together with some conservative Islamic cultures. There is no single factor what makes life truly miserable even if you are relatively rich. It is the combination of multiple issues.
Would any normal Western society quietly accept 20% unemployment rate not because of any external factor but just because the Central Bank has estimated NAIRU to be 14% and the dizinflation policy was implemented a bit too vigorously?
Has anyone ever questioned there the b…t economic theory which led prof Balcerowicz to strangle the economy and the society (supposedly in order to get ready to join the EU) and push it into the loving arms of the Catholic Church? Only extreme Marxists dared to criticise Balcerowicz – but Marxism is virtually extinct so they didn’t get any traction.
If you do really care about the Poles (I probably don’t care enough and don’t have time) I may ask kindly you to do one very important thing. Translate a few posts from Steve’s blog into Polish and also add a few more posts from prof Mitchell’s Chartalist blog – for example the explanation of the vertical flows and role of the budget deficits.
These ideas are virtually non-existent in the Polish language space. Pretty much all the economics taught is neoclassical. People there (circa 37 mln minus migrants) have no slightest idea that the theories used to manage the economy are not based on sound science but they are just political tools implanted there by the neoliberals during the struggle to get rid of the communism.
Ak – great post.
ak,
I don’t disagree, what I am saying is Poland is not unique. There are 200 countries in this world and only a handful of those have a robust and reasonable system of economic and political management that you seem to be using as an aspirational benchmark. In the rest of the world there is massive economic mismanagement, corruption and misery. Actually relative to the WHOLE world Poland is not that bad.
In my opinion though the countries that are doing well in terms of standard of living have gotten to this point with some massive boosts from the exploitation of it’s colonies and subservant countries, but that’s another topic…