It’s Hard Being a Bear (Part Four): Good Economic Theory
on September 15th, 2009 at 7:55 amI delayed publishing this on the blog because I thought it was worth submitting it to a newspaper for first publication on the anniversary of the Lehman Brothers collapse. That has occurred: a slightly edited version of this post (for reasons only of length, I hasten to add!) is in today’s Sydney Morning Herald (page 4 of the print version), WA Today, and probably several other newspapers in the Fairfax chain.
You have just come from your annual medical checkup, where your doctor assures you that you are in robust health.
Walking jauntily down the street, you bump into a practitioner of alternative medicine. He takes one look at you and declares “You have a serious tumour! It must be removed or you will die”.
You ignore him as you always have, and continue your merry way down the street. One day later, a stabbing pain suddenly cripples you, and you collapse to the pavement.
In agony, your call your doctor, who initially refuses to send an ambulance because he knows you are well.
When you lapse into a coma and stop talking mid-sentence, your doctor concludes that perhaps something is wrong, and sends an ambulance to take you to hospital.
Initially the doctor waits for you to revive spontaneously, because he still knows there’s nothing really wrong with you. But as your pulse starts to weaken, he reluctantly calls a retired doctor who had experience of a similar inexplicable malady in the distant past.
She prescribes massive doses of tranquilisers, painkillers, vitamins, and oxygen—all substances that had been removed from the medical panoply due to recent advances in medical theory. Reluctantly, your doctor follows his retired colleague’s advice—and miraculously, you start to revive.
After a year of expensive medical treatment, you return to the same robust health you displayed before your inexplicable illness. Triumphant, if somewhat puzzled, your doctor declares you well once more, and releases you from intensive care.
As you stride confidently away from the hospital, you have the misfortune to once again bump into the practitioner of alternative medicine.
“But they haven’t removed the tumour!”, he declares.
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One shouldn’t have to spell out the details of such an analogy, but in times of widespread denial, one has to:
- You are the economy;
- The tumour is a massive accumulation of private debt;
- Your doctor is Neoclassical Economics, and the retired colleague is a so-called “Keynesian” Economist — who doesn’t know it, since her medical textbooks were poorly written, but he’s actually following another economist called Paul Samuelson, not Keynes (and your doctor’s textbooks are so bad they don’t warrant discussion);
- The alternative medicine practitioner follows Hyman Minsky’s “Financial Instability Hypothesis” (which is based on what Keynes actually did say—as well as the wisdom of Joseph Schumpeter and, in whispers, Karl Marx);
- The moment you hit the pavement is the beginning of the Subprime Crisis; The collapse of Lehman Brothers is the moment when you slip into a coma; and
- The day the doctor takes you off life support and declares all is well … is next month.
The final reason for me being a bear is that I am that practitioner of alternative medicine. Minsky’s “Financial Instability Hypothesis” has been ignored by conventional economists for reasons that are both ideological and delusional. A small band of “Post-Keynesian” economists, of whom I am one, have kept this theory alive.
According to Minsky’s theory:
- Capitalist economies can and do periodically experience financial crises (something that believers in the dominant “Neoclassical” approach to economics vehemently denied until reality—in the form of the Global Financial Crisis—slapped them in the face last year);
- These financial crises are caused by debt-financed speculation on asset prices, which leads to bubbles in asset prices;
- These bubbles must eventually burst, because they add nothing to the economy’s productive capacity while simultaneously increasing the debt-servicing burden the economy faces;
- When they burst, asset prices collapse but the debt remains;
- The attempts by both borrowers and lenders to reduce leverage reduces aggregate demand, causing a recession;
- If the economy survives such a crisis, it can go through the same process again, with another boom driving debt up even higher, followed by yet another crash; but
- Ultimately this process has to lead to a level of debt that is so great that another revival becomes impossible since no-one is willing to take on any more debt. Then a Depression ensues.
That is where we were … in 1987. The great tragedy of today is that naïve Neoclassical economists like Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke allowed this process to continue for another three or more cycles than would have occurred without their rescues.
In 2008, they did it again—only with methods they would have disparaged a mere year earlier (“Rational Expectations Macroeconomics”, a modern neoclassical fad, preaches that government intervention can’t influence the level of economic activity at all—yet another belief that reality has recently crucified). This time, while the rescue has worked, the recovery they expect afterwards can’t happen—because there’s almost no-one left who will willingly take on any more debt.
This time, there’s no re-leveraging way out. The tumour of debt has to be removed.



Joe B,
I think that your response where you confirm what I’ve found on mises.org site is extremely important to the further discussion because it fully explains why you had to reach different conclusions than me.
“However, if we understood the fundamental elements and phenomena of physics, would it be valid to simply deduce more complex physical laws? This is the case with mathematics. Mises proposes that it is also the case with economics, but only at the abstract level I have described. He leaves psychology to the psychologists.
Empiricism can never validate a theory, it can only invalidate it. The failure of multiple experiments to invalidate a particular theory can create a consensus and heuristic acceptance of a theory, but there is always a possibility that some future experiment will reveal an untested flaw. On these grounds, “positivism” is more like “pretty sure-ism”. If you could positively prove a theory, you could treat it as axiomatic and deduce further theories. This can’t be done via empiricism.”
I don’t have time today to challenge these views properly – I’ll do it next week. I think that they are plainly incorrect but may be dangerous as deduction is not only used to explain the reality but also to prescribe solutions to our problems. Austrians are placing themselves above people who believe in observation and experiment because they think that praxeological a-priori reasoning is better. Austrians are also placing themselves above people who derive their moral views from religion and spirituality. “Reason” is above compassion and spirituality as well. If you really believe in this methodology I cannot do much. Blind faith in “reason” cannot be disputed.
You have made certain prescriptive statements on what is good or what is bad for the society and what the ideal social order should look like based on the principles stated above. Not forgiving debt is an example of such a statement.
To me the reality is a complex mystery and I don’t have much faith in reason so I do not dare to build any prescriptive statements based on deduction. I had enough exposure to Marxism when I was a teenager – they also had their own methodology called dialectics.
What if praxeology is not better than Marxist dialectics?
Some background explanation – we were anti-communist student activists in the late 1980-ties – this was our exposure to Marxism. I haven’t changed my views and if prof Mitchell asks “what if Oskar Lange had had computers” – my response is “we would have had food coupons with microchips in 1980-ties”. I know perfectly well who Oskar Lange was. Even if he was sidelined at the end of his carrier he had done enough damage in the 1950-ties. This is another perfect example how “science” can be used to screw up people. Kalecki was in the same camp. I can’t say much about their theoretical contribution to economics but the practical effect of implementing their theories were obvious.
Food coupons anyone?
Hi ak,
May I suggest you check my papers on Marx on the Research tab?:
Use-value, exchange-value, and the demise of Marx’s Labour Theory of Value
The Misinterpretation of Marx’s Theory of Value;
A Marx for Post Keynesians; and
A critique of Feldman’s Soviet “Heavy Industry First” Growth model
In brief, working from Marx’s own philosophy, I argue that his justification for socialism was unfounded. The growth model followed by the Soviets was also bound to fail because it was predicated on a limitless supply of labour. So what you got in the Eastern Bloc was a bastardised version of a system that should never have been implemented in the first place, following a doomed industrial policy.
Strabes said: Mike Stasse, the reason this site is focused on economics is because, well, it’s an economics site…and extremely useful information is being discussed that could provide national governments different ideas besides what their asinine central banks are doing. The CM site is different.
Hang on a minute… so you think economics should EXCLUDE the very fuel that fires the economy up? That’s like saying “my brand new Ferrari is out of fuel, and I can’t buy any, but it’s still worth $250,000″
And to scepticus, Peak Oil is not on its way….. it was last year!
The reason I go on about this is because you ecomist experts seem to forget that without growth, the debts can never be repaid, and without the flush of cheap abundant oil, this growth WILL NOT OCCUR. So without growth, the only way out is a debt jubilee.
I totally fail to see how you lot cannot see this, and how you can imagine for just one nano second that the oil dilemma is much more than a dilemma, it’s a looming catastrophe….
AND, BTW, the reason I really like the CM site is BECAUSE Chris Martenson sees the ENTIRE picture. I think it’s the complete lack of broad picture vision that’s got us into this mess in the firast place, so more tunnel vision is not going to help.
I’m quite happy to see Peak Oil and Global Warming posts occur on this site Mike, because I also see those as part of the big picture of feedbacks in the Limits To Growth tradition.
However I’m also aware that there are people here who share concerns about debt, but are on opposite sides of the fence on the issues of Peak Oil and (especially) Global Warming. I don’t want such disputes to dominate discussion here, so that’s why I will occasionally step in and say let’s get “back to topic”. My ambition for this site in general is, to reverse the title of Phil Mirowski’s book on economic methodology, to generate “More Light than Heat”. Since I am an expert on debt dynamics and the Financial Instability Hypothesis, that is the apt topic for primary focus here; when it strays too much into the GW or PO debate, there’s a chance of differing perspectives on those topics resulting in “More Heat than Light”.
Thank you very much Steve, I will certainly read your papers on Marx (it may take some time of course).
Anarcho
You shouldn’t confuse the Austrian theories of shifting equilibrium with the neoclasical or Walrasian theories. See this paper for a bit more info: http://mises.org/journals/scholar/mackenzie12.pdf
One thing I like about some of the Austrian’s writings, is they virtually describe the systems theory of “Emergence” before the term was coined. This goes hand in hand with Steve’s suggestion of using chaos mathematics in economic modeling.
- Ernie.
Bernanke: “Recession Is Over” (Depression Has Just Begun)
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1437-Bernanke-Recession-Is-Over-Depression-Has-Just-Begun.html
Then explain this for credit card charge-offs for the last month:
Discover Financial Services Reports Aug Master Trust; Net Charge offs 9.16% v 8.43% m/m
JPMorgan Chase and Co Reports Aug Master Trust; Net charge offs 10.07% v 7.92% m/m
Bank of America Corp Reports Aug Master Trust; Net Charge offs 14.54% v 13.82% m/m
Citigroup Inc Reports Aug Master Trust; Net Charge offs 12.1% v 10.03% m/m
American Express Co Reports Aug Master Trust: Net write offs on managed basis 9.0% v 9.2% m/m (v 9.9% in June)
So out of these, only Amex reported a (tiny) improvement. Everyone else is worse – a lot worse.
As for Bair? Here’s what she said:
FDIC’s Bair: US financial industry is not much more stable presently,
I’d say its not much more stable when you’ve got a charge-off rate on revolving credit beyond 10% – and climbing!
Anyone care to dispute “the consumer has no more credit availability” with me again?
Again, I come back to the same point: Credit is contracting as a consequence of borrowing ABILITY, not (so much) desire. All the “liquidity pumping” in the world does NOTHING if there are no willing and able borrowers.
The entire premise of both government and our central bank is that “credit is too tight.” In point of fact what we continue to see proof of month after month is that credit has been and still is too loose as borrowers are unable to pay back the money lent, which in turn leads to more and more onerous terms for those who still have money out.
That’s deflationary as hell and the longer the game of “pretend” is played the more deflationary it is and the more damage is done to the underlying structure of the economy, as the money blown to “prop up the fable” simply disappears into a puff of smoke but the debt is left behind and continues to be a drag on economic activity.
Bernanke’s gambit has failed – we must recognize the mathematical facts, force the bad debt out and clear the system.
ak,
Many Austrians hold religion and faith in high regard. You may be interested in Gary North’s 20-Volume “Economic Commentary on the Bible”. You may be put off by his anti-socialist point of view, but it’s worth a look (I haven’t read it myself, but I do read his blog posts regularly):
http://www.garynorth.com/public/department57.cfm
While I don’t consider myself to be particularly religious, I don’t think faith and reason are entirely incompatible. There are enough grey areas of knowledge that may never gain a definitive explanation.
I like to think of economics and ethics as separate branches of thought that can mutually filter each other to develop theories of political systems. Ethics prevents certain economic choices from being made, and economics can prevent certain ethical objectives from being achieved. While ethics can be chosen voluntarily, economics is an untouchable mechanism. The separation of psychology from praxeology and economics allows this somewhat modular approach to developing a viable political system.
Mises started with economics and defined his ethics based on his conclusions that free markets led to sustainable production. Hayek has accused Mises of being essentially utilitarian in many of his justifications (whereas Hayek was more of a Natural Rights guy).
My impression of Marx is that he started with ethics and tried to define an economic theory to fit. I think Ayn Rand took this approach as well. I actually read some Marx prior to exploring the Austrian school, and I was initially struck by how similar his vision of a communist society sounded to that of a voluntarist one, (although I understand the differences now). However, I’m not familiar enough with his theories to enter a serious debate about them. I should probably read Steve’s papers as well.
My support for Panarchism stems from the notion that diverse ethical systems will probably always exist, even within the same geographical space. Rather than shoehorning everyone into a legal system with which they will all have complaints and where opposing views and endless debate slow progress, I think that multiple political systems can be formed from these ethics systems. Some may fail due to limitations imposed by economics, but this allows these systems to go through a process of creative destruction rather than bloating until the pitchforks and guns come out.
I actually don’t have a prescription for which systems would work best, although it’s probably pretty clear which type of system I would personally choose to join. While I’m stuck living under a coercive state, I will argue against whatever I see as a justification for that coercion.
I guess I should reiterate that I’m not trying to win any converts – only to stir up the pot a bit with some different and possibly controversial ideas. I do the same thing over on Mises.org from time to time, in particular challenging Lockean homesteading as an absolute principle. I have also mentioned Steve’s work on a few relevant posts there.
But I’ll steer clear of climate change!
Wow the RBA just handed a whopping 6 billion to the government. The RBA purchased bulk Au$ when it was tanking and was around 60c. It has now sold them at now around 86c. More relief coming our way? So much money was made just from holding on nothing was produced at all.
Joshua, I dont see that as being to big an issue. Provided that the RBA was not involved in shorting the $ down from near parity to 60c then buying back in and riding it basck to 86c. And given that the RBA does not overly micro manage the AUD I dont think this is the case.
Remember that is $6B less we have to repay, $6B less in additional tax revenue.
As far as making it out of nothing I think that the RBA had a specific purpose in buying and supporting the currency during October and Novemeber last year when it was making the purchases. In truth this year it has been a net seller of the AUD as they realise that a high and rising currency is bad for exports.
I think that the profit has been a bonus received for them undertaking their mandate of managing monetary policy.
Interesting article on inflation & deflation from Glenn Stevens in 2002 when he was the Deputy Governor of the RBA.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/9929826/Inflation-Deflation-and-All-That
This cannot go unchallenged.
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“2. Change the way we measure the economy (discard notion of GDP, recessions, booms, etc – they only measure a nations wealth in pure productivity and monetary terms and completely ignore efficiency and effectiveness of all production. Social effects are ignored as well)”
The problem with that is you start implementing qualitative measures. If the body associated with this body is associated with government, then its measurement criteria will be manipulated for populist purposes.
We currently have the cash rate, while being very complex to measure accurately, is can be considered a quantitative measure. The GFC occured because this measure has been understated, for political purposes.
To lay faith that government can get it right for your measures is extremely dangerous and will lead to further wealth destruction.
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“3. Increased taxation and regulation on financial markets. I’m talking about a completely new tax and corporate act relating to financial instruments where the underlying tones are to simply deter lay-people from trying to or paying agents to make them money in this industry.”
Naive statement based on not understanding why these markets exist in the first place.
I presume this is a shot a complex financial instruments such as derivatives. They exist because certain participants want to transfer risk. They are one side of the hedging instrument. You seem to be focused on the other side.
It sounds like you are seeking to not permit people to pay a premium to transfer away risk.
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“4. Increased tax rates for large proprietary and listed companies and trusts. Just think of it as a premium for the social destruction a corporate entity causes.”
Trusts don’t pay tax, they distribute all revenue to beneficiaries. They then get taxed at their marginal tax rate of the beneficiary.
Very few companies start of corporate behemoths, and this implies you want to tax success. Politics of envy at its finest.
“5. Abolish non-commercial residential renting. Sorry Mum & Dad investors, but you have no idea on what damage you are doing.”
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Absolute rank muppetry. Its isn’t the fact that so many mums and dads own property that is the problem, its the distortions preventing a restoration to equlibrium.
Again this is because for those benefitting, it is politcally rewarding to keep the status quo.
But abolish any avenue for people to rent. Does this include hotels? They are very short term rooms/accomodation for rent. This measure locks people out of property and creates massive labour immoblity.
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“6. Government grants for small scale business and social initiatives with focus on renewable energy, affordable organic agricultural solutions (would solve a significant portion of modern health problems) and public health issues.”
So industries that are currently unviable are made to be viable?
Government intervention here is just burning the different end of the same candle that negatrive gearing, trade protectionism and monpoly rights are on.
Interesting article citydoc.
If you read the conclusion (the last 2-3 paragraphs) you can see that both fiscal and monetary policy here in Australia has been implemented as laid out in that article.
But the one thing he does not take notice of nor comment on, private debt levels.
strabes,
I apologize if I’ve misconstrued your arguments. But again, I don’t think Austrians are primarily opposed to coercive means often used by unions – not to unions, or any other associations, per se. Austrians view unions as corporations like any other, with individuals seeking profit. Collective bargaining with employers is ok. But collective lobbying to tell the state who to point its guns at is no better than corporations lobbying to tell it where to point the guns.
I’m in favor of eliminating limited liability protections. This would provide a legal venue for civil suits against the individuals responsible for misleading borrowers or failing to foresee trouble – to the extent that they broke the law.
However, every borrower made the choice to go into debt. Nobody else owes them anything. If the choices are framed as “bail out the banks” or “bail out the borrowers”, I would of course choose the latter. But I think both of these options, and debt forgiveness in general, will hinder any recovery due to increased uncertainty and dissolution of trust.
Is deleveraging a greater threat than this uncertainty? Maybe. Since we will now have both thanks to the bailouts, the world may never know.
“rank muppetry” – outstanding rustpenny. I love it when i here and see something like that for the first time.
But in defence of the horsome post (no. 119) I think that people see the GFC and automatically completely trash the existing system as being absolutely defunct and then move to lash out.
I can understand this need. But I beleieve that on the whole the market system can work.
The only caveat to this is that we need to get a better understanding of economic modeling of possible outcomes in the system. This way regulations and oversight can be better targeted to ensure more sustainable outcomes for the economy.
We need to look to the work by all economists, as in truth they all have something to offer but we need to pay particular attention to the new theories of today, as they can be combined with past theories to get a better understanding.
Steve is on to something with his theories of debt and equilibrium – but imagine a market system that included these theories as a basis to manage monetary policy, bank lending standards and asset bubbles caused through non productive gearing. I think that the market system would provide even greater outcomes for the economy.
Joe B,
“Every borrower made a choice to go into debt”. Two points on this:
1) Someone earlier made the comparison of debt products to other defective products, I think this is somewhat valid. In which case borrowers might be entitled to some recourse.
2) What choice did they have? My wife’s brother ended up moving in (with his wife and 2 kids) into his parents house because they couldn’t get a rental property near where he worked and he can’t drive. Many people noticed it was actually cheaper to buy a house than to rent one. Unless someone is a soothsayer and can predict the future or a sophisticated modeller like Steve (and he seems to be a one of a kind) the decision to buy rather than rent would seem for many very sensible and perhaps more affordable.
In support of my prevoius post think of this as an outcome.
Currently AUS has a total of approximately $1.9T in in business and private debt, of which approximately 60% ($1.1T) is tied up in the residential property market.
Now imagine if through steves work we held the same amount of debt but only half was held in housing and the rest in productive lending.
That would equate to an extra $550+B (1/2 our GDP) invested back into the economy (over however many years it took to achieve that ratio). The multiplier effect for the economy would be mind blowing.
This outcome could be achieved by targeting regulation at reducing the appeal of property (through taxation) therefore improving the outcomes of business investment.
If it is more profitable to invest in business then people will stop speculating on housing – but they will still chase returns (its human nature) but borrowing will be targeted at productive investments.
Hi All
A few points regarding a recent post from horsome
1. Wind back the factors which saw a blowout in private debt and high values of investments such as FHOG, cheap credit, negative gearing on residential rental, and the super guarantee.
No argument there
2. Change the way we measure the economy (discard notion of GDP, recessions, booms, etc – they only measure a nations wealth in pure productivity and monetary terms and completely ignore efficiency and effectiveness of all production. Social effects are ignored as well)
A bit unrealistic but as an aside I like looking at the ranking of the best places to live.
3. Increased taxation and regulation on financial markets. I’m talking about a completely new tax and corporate act relating to financial instruments where the underlying tones are to simply deter lay-people from trying to or paying agents to make them money in this industry.
If this relates to derivates then I hope Steve(or others) can provide some analysis as according to the Bank of International Settlements gross notional derivatives amount to $591 trillion(yes with a t) – although gross market values appear a quite modest $33 trillion by comparison. There seems a degree of instability in that house of cards notwithstanding the need for foreign exchange or interest rate swaps. A new tax is not the answer but I would have thought there is a fair amount of counter party risk (AIG anyone)
My own bugbear are contracts for difference (CFD’s) which are even advertised on TV. I am pretty sure they are banned to retail investors in many other countries.
4. Increased tax rates for large proprietary and listed companies and trusts. Just think of it as a premium for the social destruction a corporate entity causes.
Requiring trusts to fully distribute their income is fine- but of course they are still a mechanism for enabling income to be spread amongst family members with the benefits that can bring (as children are taxed at ordinary rates – including obtaining the tax free threshold). Past efforts at taxing trusts came to nothing.
5. Abolish non-commercial residential renting. Sorry Mum & Dad investors, but you have no idea on what damage you are doing.
Not sure what this means
6. Government grants for small scale business and social initiatives with focus on renewable energy, affordable organic agricultural solutions (would solve a significant portion of modern health problems) and public health issues.
If the government is throwing a few billion at things like clean coal technology then providing say the CSIRO with an extra few million to do some research in some of these key areas would be useful. I don’t think the government should be picking ‘winners’ but funding research is no bad thing.
onevoice, i agree i think that governments do have a problem with picking anything.
Thats why I think that the government should be there to smooth out the cycle through regulation but leave it up to business and the market to pick the winners.
On climate change they should give a specific outcome of what they want business to achieve and by when (and please remember Rudd et al were elected by the people to take this action on CC) but they should then leave business to work out how to get there.
Wasting money on this idea or that idea, is well, bad for business. A government grant is just a tax churn similar to welfare payments.
However I am not advocating absentee government. They should stick with providing those essential services, education, hospitals etc but stay away from business and investment outcomes.
Governments should reflect the will of the people and are there to provide the framework for society – we the people should then be left to ensure the best outcomes for us while working within that framework.
“Its isn’t the fact that so many mums and dads own property that is the problem, its the distortions preventing a restoration to equlibrium.”
Ah, that equilibrium thing again. Yes, lets wait for equilibrium, but don’t blink or you may miss it when it arrives.
Broken record.
“Ah, that equilibrium thing again. Yes, lets wait for equilibrium, but don’t blink or you may miss it when it arrives.
Broken record.”
No.
Any party observing without a vested interest will tell you property is overpriced. Equilibrium therefore is a measure that will exert downward pressure on prices.
The mechanism that would apply this downward pressure in increased supply first and foremost.
Simple supply-demand says when prices are higher, more suppliers endeavour to put more product to market.
Claims of a housing shortage however infers that product isn’t coming to market. In the case of dwellings it is therefore a supply constraint due to labour, land or material.
I will claim that in Australia in 2009, it is due to land shortage due to release and reform.
We shouldn’t have a land shortage based on a populaiton density. However the perceived cost of urban sprawl has made state governments reluctant to allow previous methods of land release continue. If their dogmatic approach is increase population density, especially in capital cities, then measures should be made to allow for the reform of existing land in terms of higher density housing.
However, the interence and rewards models that exist for government, i.e state government stamp duties based on the valuation of the property, and local council rates also based on the valuation, puts in place incentives that skew what society needs. I don’t need to comment on the rewards that property developers and existing house owners receive, just ammending the government reward system is enough.
Work with flat rates, and local governments will want increased density, state governments will want increased turnover.
Equilibrium occurs not due to every participant being ‘rational’ humans are not, they are emotional beings.
Equilibrium occurs when the economic structure in place provides equal empowerment to both parties in a transaction.
It’s the skewed allocation of power that maintains a distortion out of ‘equilibrium’.
“It’s the skewed allocation of power that maintains a distortion out of ‘equilibrium’.”
Now that I do agree with. Since our society will always be lopsided, between government and private sectors, between capitalists and workers, between borrowers and savers, there will never be an equilibrium.
The notion that a perfectly balanced society is possible, and that once achieved, it would stay that way is wrong, and so are economic schools of though which postulate these goals, like marxism and austrian economics. In any case the definition of balance is subjective. Also this is not how democracy works, it works on a majority voting system, in which the system in theory would be skewed towards the majority. Not perfect, but feel free to propose an alternative that doesn’t boil down to a tyranny of a minority.
Therefore we ought to plan accordingly and aim to mitigate existing and anticipated lopsidedness as opposed to trying to eliminate it.
scepticus,
I’ll actually paraphrase Anarcho a bit here – in Austrian theory, Equilibrium is the point at which the market for a particular good clears and supply=demand. Entrepreneurial activity throws the system out of equilibrium by changing either supply or demand for any particular good, and it is doing this constantly. Such disruptions often occur before any equilibrium price is reached as buyers and sellers enter and leave the market.
Concepts like “equilibrium” and “markets clear” are only used in a dynamic sense, or an instantaneous static sense.
From Rothbard’s Man, Economy, and State (http://www.mises.org/books/mespm.pdf):
“We must always remember, however, that while a final equilibrium is the goal toward which the economy is moving at any particular time, changes in the data alter this position and therefore shift the direction of movement. Therefore, there is nothing in a dynamic world that is ethically better about a final equilibrium position.” (p. 323)
That whole section (p. 321-329) on the “evenly rotating economy” construct addresses both equilibrium and Austrian methodology in general.
Entrepreneurs profit only by redressing lopsidedness. This is in fact the Austrian definition of “profit.” “Loss” is what they get when their perceptions of lopsidedness were wrong.
Furthermore, this is only relevant to analysis of a single pair of goods (in barter, although “dollars” could be one of these goods), not an entire economy.
And most importantly, Austrian economics doesn’t propose any goals – it only seeks to describe the mechanism by which prices and choices influence each other. Even austro-libertarian ethics does not propose equilibrium as a goal, and it certainly doesn’t aim for a “perfectly balanced society”. Only a free, peaceful and sustainable (if occasionally volatile) one.
Using the actual Austrian interpretation of equilibrium, I agree with Rustypenny’s statement.
Again, I’m only trying to clarify Austrian theory with this comment since it has been misrepresented yet again.
Well, maybe I’m misinterpreting rp’s argument but he seems to suggest that power distortions should be removed to allow equilibrium.
Also he says that when prices are high suppliers will step up to produce more and lower prices. Except this does not work when the rate of interest on all non-monetary goods are lower than the rate of interest on money.
Clearly there situations in which his simple law of supply and demand does not apply, and that is because money is not a veil over barter, and that fact right there, is the biggest distortion there is and it renders any notion of equilibrium concept non-sensical. Money, as steve never tires of pointing out is not neutral, and would not be even if it were made entiorely of gold coin.
This is an expression of lop-sidedness, or power in the hands of holders of money versus holders of labour, yet austrian theory has to deny the non neutrality of money to be self-consistent. It is the reason why, for example, they deny the existence of the paradox of thrift.