What’s Really Going On? or…
Why Did I See it Coming and “They” Didn’t?
Part 2: The Models
“But this long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead. Economists set themselves too easy, too useless a task if in tempestuous seasons they can only tell us that when the storm is long past the ocean is flat again.” (Keynes, A Tract on Monetary Reform, 1924)
In last month’s Debtwatch, I explained why the data side of why the “Financial Instability Hypothesis” enabled me to predict this crisis, long before conventional “neoclassical” economists had any idea it was approaching.
This month I explain why the models neoclassical economists build are hopelessly inadequate–as models of the economy in general, as guides to what is likely to happen in the future, and as sources of policy recommendations to end this crisis.
In particular, the Australian Treasury’s prediction that Australia will avoid recession simply cannot be trusted.
Neoclassical Models: Crisis? What Crisis?
The focus of neoclassical economists on misleading indicators is compounded by the models they build, which–as well as omitting crucial data like the debt to GDP ratio–are congenitally incapable of identifying serious turning points in the economy.
This are several reasons for this, but first and foremost is their belief that the economy is fundamentally stable, and will always return to a long-run equilibrium growth path after any shock. The models they construct have this expectation of a return to long-term growth paths after any short term divergence from trend “hard wired” into their results.
An instance of this for the Australian Treasury’s macroeconomic model (TRYM) is shown in Figure One, which shows the impact on business investment in the model of a simulated monetary shock in 2010. The shock initially pushes business investment above the long term trend, to which it then returns after eight years.
This is not a prediction by the model as such, but a product of its structure, which assumes that the economy will always return to a supply-side driven equilibrium in a relatively short time frame.
Figure One
TRYM’s supply-side behaviour is determined simply by the assumption that, in the long run, the economy will return to an equilibrium rate of growth, given by the sum of assumed trends in population growth and labour productivity, at an assumed equilibrium rate of unemployment called “NAIRU” (“Non-Accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment”). As the Treasury’s documentation of TRYM puts it (see http://www.treasury.gov.au/contentitem.asp?NavId=016&ContentID=235):
“The model could be described as broadly new Keynesian in its dynamic structure but with an equilibrating long run. Activity is demand determined in the short run but supply determined in the long run… The model will eventually return to a supply determined equilibrium growth path in the absence of demand or other shocks.” (THE MACROECONOMICS OF THE TRYM MODEL OF THE AUSTRALIAN ECONOMY, p. 6; emphasis added)
and
“the aggregate supply curve is vertical in the long term at a level of employment and production consistent with the NAIRU. (Or more precisely the economy grows along a steady state growth path consistent with the NAIRU.)” [AN INTRODUCTION TO THE TRYM MODEL APPLICATIONS AND LIMITATIONS p. 6]
Neoclassical models like TRYM are thus variable in the present–and have some capacity to predict the very short term, if their guesses about the size of any shock are reasonably accurate. But they are anchored to some point in the (not too distant) future when it is assumed that “equilibrium” will once again apply, and they are therefore useless as guides in the medium term.
They are also useless for long term prediction because the model’s long run equilibrium is unaffected by the short term disturbance: if the figure assumed for the NAIRU in the model remains unchanged, along with the estimates for population and productivity growth, then the model will average the rate of growth those assumptions imply, regardless of how severe a shock the short-term disturbance causes.
In the case of the RBA’s main model, this is a real growth rate of 3.25 percent per annum (see Tables 7 & 8 of RDP2005-11)–so the economy is assumed to converge to a tranquil future path after any disturbance, with no residue from the shock itself (apart from a change in the price level for permanent increases in the money supply).
Ironically, this means that models like TRYM produce medium term predictions of an acceleration in growth after the impact of a shock like this financial crisis–otherwise the model could not get back to its “long run equilibrium growth path”.
There was thus no prospect that Neoclassical models could predict the crisis, and their guidance on what will happen–with or without policy intervention–are irrelevant. Unlike these models, the actual economy does not have a point of balance in the future to which it is tethered. It is therefore no wonder that these models gave no warning of the impending crisis–indeed the wonder would be if they had done so!
This is why supposedly authoritative bodies like the OECD could claim “our central forecast remains indeed quite benign” just two months before all hell broke loose (as noted in my last Debtwatch). If economic data have been apparently tranquil, these models will predict tranquility ahead; if the data have been depressed, they will predict a bit of a downturn, followed by a return to equilibrium some years hence.
Neither prediction is worth a pinch of salt.
To have any hope of predicting the future using an economic model, it has to be one with genuine dynamics–not a model that simply assumes that “when the storm is long past the ocean is flat again”, as Keynes satirically remarked. Such a model has to specify what it sees as the main causal factors in the economy, and then let those factors interact. The medium and long term outcomes are thus a product of the interaction of the causal variables in the model, just as the short term is.
Models of this nature are commonplace outside economics, and scientists, mathematicians and engineers have designed an impressive range and variety of computer simulation programs to support this genuinely dynamic approach to modelling.
I developed such a model of Minsky’s Financial Instability Hypothesis in the early 1990s.
A Minsky Model: Finance and Economic Breakdown
The basic principles in Minsky’s financial instability hypothesis are extremely simple. A capitalist economy is necessarly cyclical. During a boom, investors will take on debt to finance investment, but because the economy is cyclical, they will later find themselves in a recession when they have to repay that debt.
Therefore their repayments don’t quite cancel all the extra debt, and debt levels tend to ratchet up over time. These debt cycles with an overall secular trend towards increasing debt can lead to an ultimate crisis where the debt overwhelms the economy–a Depression.
This is not an inevitable outcome of Minsky’s theory, but he emphasises that since market economies have experienced Depressions in the past, to be valid a model of the economy must…
“ make great depressions one of the possible states in which our type of capitalisteconomy can find itself” (Minsky, 1982, Inflation, Recession and Economic Policy, p. xi)
In the model I developed in 1993, under some circumstances, the economy could taper to equilibrium; but under others, a series of debt-driven financial cycles would lead to an eventual crisis where debt overwhelmed the economy. The following graphics set out the model in flowchart format. It can also be summarised in three very simple propositions:
- Firms borrow to invest during booms;
- Workers’ capacity to secure wages rises is affected by the rate of employment; and
- Banks lend money to finance investment;
and four very simple “stylised facts”:
- Wages share of output will rise if wage rises exceed productivity;
- The employment rate will rise if the rate of growth exceeds the sum of population and productivity growth;
- The debt to GDP ratio will rise if investment exceeds profits; and
- an increased rate of economic growth will reduce the debt to GDP ratio.
As a flowchart, the model is as shown in Figure Two (the blue boxes contain mathematical sub-systems).
The simulation below and in Figure Three are with no debt in the model–in which case the model generates simple cyclical growth.
Figure Two
Figure Three explodes the “Graph” subsystem of the model. The same set of graphs is used in subsequent Figures to display the behaviour of the more complete models, where debt and Ponzi investing are added.
Figure Three
When the debt switch” is flicked to include borrowing to finance productive investment only–so all borrowed money leads to an increase in the capacity to produce output–then one of two situations will apply.
Figure Four shows the first such situation: when the model begins close to its equilibrium values, it continues to converge towards it. Employment and income distribution (proxied here by the wages share of output) taper to equilibrium values, as does the debt to output ratio (which is negative, implying positive net financial assets for firms).
Figure Four
However, if the system starts further away from equilibrium, then the system’s behaviour is rather like that described by Fisher in his Debt Deflation Theory of Great Depressions:
“There may be equilibrium which, though stable, is so delicately poised that, after departure from it beyond certain limits, instability ensues, just as, at first, a stick may bend under strain, ready all the time to bend back, until a certain point is reached, when it breaks.
This simile probably applies when a debtor gets “ broke,” or when the breaking of many debtors constitutes a “ crash,” after which there is no coming back to the original equilibrium.
To take another simile, such a disaster is somewhat like the “ capsizing” of a ship which, under ordinary conditions, is always near stable equilibrium but which, after being tipped beyond a certain angle, has no longer this tendency to return to equilibrium, but, instead, a tendency to depart further from it.” (Fisher, 1933)
With this far from equilibrium starting point, the system goes through a series of cycles in which the debt to output ratio ratchets up, as Minsky surmised, until such time that the next boom leads to such an accumulation of debt that it cannot be repaid–debt service consumes all available revenues–and the economy falls into a permanent slump.
Figure Five
I have commented frequently that economists are prisoners of their models–rather than seeing the economy, they see their model of it. Though I differ from the neoclassical mainstream in the type of model I see, on this front I was not very different. I therefore expected to find a pattern like that shown for the debt to output ratio in Figure Five in the Australian data, when I prepared an expert witness case for the NSW Legal Aid in December 2005: a gradual hump-like increase in debt to output ratios.
Instead what I saw was the pattern shown in Figure Six.
Figure Six
That was an almost purely exponential increase in the debt to GDP ratio over time–disturbed only by the growth and bursting of two obvious super-bubbles (one in the early 1970s that was associated with the demise of the Whitlam government, and the other that drove Keating’s “recession we had to have” in the early 1990s).
It was obvious that a key aspect of Minsky’s theory that my model omitted had to be introduced: Ponzi investing, in which individuals take out debt to speculate on asset prices, but don’t actually build any assets in the process. I introduced this into the model by adding a speculative debt component, where borrowing for speculation rose whenever the rate of growth exceeded a minimum level. With that modification, the pattern shown in Figure Seven resulted.
Figure Seven
This model generates a generally exponential increase in debt levels, with super-bubbles in speculative borrowing occurring regularly, and borrowing to finance speculation gradually accelerates to ultimately dwarf borrowing for productive investment.
At some point the debt burden becomes too great for the economy to finance, and debt accumulates faster than it is repaid, leading to a secular crisis and not merely a financial cycle. Guided both by Minsky’s hypothesis and my mathematical models, I felt that we were at such a secular turning point in the real world when I saw the data in Figure Six (three years ago, in December 2005).
I feared that Australia–and probably the rest of the world–was in for a serious debt-induced downturn. Knowing that there was little if any likelihood that this danger would be perceived by the neoclassically-trained economists who dominate Treasuries and Central Banks (and University Economics Departments) around the world. I decided to go public with my analysis
This was more than confirmed when RBA Deputy Governor Ric Battellino published a graph showing Australia’s long term debt to GDP ratio during a speech in September 2007 (see Figure 8, which is augmented to include estimates of non-bank credit prior to 1953).
Figure Eight
The model I’ve outlined above is extremely simple, and would need to be substantially embellished to capture the main dynamics of a market economy. But it is already streets ahead of neoclassical models by not making an artificial distinction between the short and long term. To paraphrase Keynes, “in the long run we are still in the short run”.
Avoiding Recession?
The Australian Government is almost unique amongst OECD nations in predicting positive growth during 2009. Indeed, only ten countries are holding out for positive real growth next year in the OECD’s recent Economic Outlook are Australia (1.7%), the Czech Republic (2.7%), Greece (1.9%), Korea (2.7%), Mexico (0.4%), Norway (1.3%), Poland (3%), the Slovak Republic (4%), Sweden (0%), and Turkey (1.6%) (see Figure Nine, taken from the OECD Economic Outlook No. 84 for November 2008, p. 82). The other nineteen countries all expect to record negative growth.
These “predictions” should be seen for what they are–not so much predictions as assumptions of a class of economic models that has little connection with the real world. The scale of the downturn “predicted” for 2009 largely reflects the judgments of national Treasuries–including Australia’s–as to how severe a shock the financial crisis represents.
On that scale, the only country giving this financial crisis serious weight is Iceland, which is estimating its damage as equivalent to about 14% of GDP–represented by the change between the growth rate recorded for 2007 and that expected for 2009. Australia’s Treasury has apparently persuaded the OECD that this crisis will knock only a couple of percent off growth.
Figure Nine
Notice also that the OECD expects growth to dramatically improve in 2010–even Iceland is expected to almost return to positive growth for the calendar year as a whole, while in the 4th quarter it is expected to record positive growth at an annual rate of 2.6% (see Figure Ten). Australia is expected to rebound to 3.1% annualised growth by the last quarter of calendar year 2010.
Why? Because by that stage into the future, the “long run” in the OECD’s neoclassical model of the economy starts to reassert itself, and every economy is predicted to boom away, to erase the impact of the “temporary” shock of the 2008 financial crisis.
I’d love to see the OECD’s predictions for Iceland for 2011 and 2012–they should show massive growth to overcome the impact of the -9.3% figure for next year, and return to the long run equilibrium assumption the model makes for Iceland–which is probably above 5% p.a. Australia is also likely to be shown to enjoy a rosy 4% or above rate of growth.
These predictions, and those of any other neoclassical model–including the Treasury’s TRYM model, and the RBA’s small model–are no more than a statement of faith in the long run stability of a market economy.
I expect that faith will be sorely tested in the coming years.
Figure Ten
END OF COMMENTARY
Comments on the Data
It appears that Australia’s debt to GDP ratio has peaked at 165% of GDP, and it is now starting to fall. It could still turn up once again if deflation takes hold, but for the meantime, this seems to be the top of the bubble.
Now as debt levels start to fall–firstly relatively to GDP and then, ultimately, in absolute terms as well–the macroeconomic effect of the bubble’s bursting will be felt. This trend appears in the next two graphs, which show the annual rate of change of debt and GDP, and the contribution that change in debt makes to aggregate demand (which I define as the sum of GDP and the change in debt).
One intriguing aspect of the next two charts is the fact that the rate of growth of debt has fallen over time–from a peak of over 34% year on year for the 1973 bubble, to 25% for the 1989 bubble, and 17% for the bubble that has now peaked in 2008–but the contribution that rising debt makes to demand has risen–from just over 10% in 1973, to 14% in 1989 and 19.5% in 2008.
This apparent paradox is the result of the increasing scale of debt compared to GDP. Back in 1972, when the first debt super-bubble began, debt was equivalent to only 33% of GDP–and therefore a 1/3rd increase in debt, while dramatic, only increased the ultimate debt to GDP ratio by 11%. In mid-1984, when the second superbubble took off, debt was already 54% of GDP, and therefore the slower rate of growth of debt resulted in the debt to GDP ratio rising vt 57% by the time the bubble burst.
This time round, though debt grew by a maximum of only 17% in one year, the debt superbubble which began in mid 1993 increased the debt to GDP ratio by a staggering 109%, from 79% at its commencement to 165.43% by its peak.



This is Great Steve
Your model is something that I can relate to. Just a few comments: The model has a closed loop which is poviding positive feedback something which I have always been aware as part of the neo-classical theory but something which is not understood at all by these people. The positive feedback causes a continuous increase in all of these parameters.
Now any engineer will tell you that any system undergoing continuous growth will eventually become unstable and crash. If the system is to be stable it must be in real (not neo) equilibrium under the control of a negative feedback loop. A system which is continuously growing is not in equilibrium. It is a fraud for neo classical economists to use this word they must be stupid. Their stupid claim is an oxymoron.
A suitable feedback loop continually compares vital parameters with their desired values and uses this difference as negative feedback to control the system. If it is necessary for a parameter to increase (“growth”) this can only be done by changing the desired value in the loop control so that the output asymptotically and with stability approaches the desired value. Any other approach will result in a crash when intermediate parameters reach various limits and go increasingly non linear. Laissez faire will simply not work a bus needs a driver, a plane needs a pilot. All of your plots illustate this instabilty.
You have not shown any input from the current account, surely the CAD and total foreign debt and foreign ownership of assets must have an effect particularly as these represent a very large proportion of the Australian economy. It seems to me that the foreign exchange markets with floating and pegged exchange rates are seriosly compromising the fiat nature of all currencies. Also it seems to me that unbalanced trade is a poison challice for both the CAD and the CAS nations. For example Japan has always in recent history run a CAS but still is troubled by bubbles. How can this be taken into account?
As to the debt level trigger points I have noticed that in 1892, 1932, and now, the debt to GDP ratio was increasing at the rate of close to 8.5% for all three . What is the rate of rise of debt in other countries?
Your models are a breath of fresh air, when do you think they will start to listen to you?
Many thanks.
For the makeup of the CPI see http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/DetailsPage/6430.0Sep%202005?OpenDocument It is actually interesting to see how Australians spend their money. We just spend more on tertiary education (there is government spending as well) than on pets but much less than alcohol and tobacco.
Explanation of the CPI is at http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/6401.0Explanatory%20Notes1Sep%202008?OpenDocument
hi Steve, I dont know where else to send this, but have a look at this information. I am gob smacked. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081201/bs_nm/us_finance_research_oppenheimer
The USA will not be able to spend its way out. Consumers are going to be cut off from their (probably) only source of money… credit. I would expect the same to happen everywhere as banks decide to hold onto any money the have, rather than risk it as credit card debt while employment skyrockets. This just adds to the crisis bigtime. uh oh!
Excellent article written finally by another realist.
http://afr.com/home/viewer.aspx?EDP://20081202000030597861§ion=opinion&title=Forced+sellers+will+keep+prices+falling
Reality seems to be finally setting in that the Australian property market, in sofar, as price inflation and its root cause are no different to any other property market in the world that has burst or is bursting.
Thanks for your comment Mitchell.
With your permission Steve, readers can view some industrial charts from extensive reviews that show this physical collapse throughout industry, machinery and farming.
1. U.S. Steel Production
2. U.S. Aluminum Production Per Capita, 1900-2003
3. U.S. Copper Production Per Capita, 1900-2001
4. U.S. Manufacturing Production Workers as a Percent of Total Labor Force
5. U.S. Physical Goods Imports, 1960-2000
6. Decline in Railroad-Track Mileage, 1950, 1970, and 2000, by Region
7. South Dakota: Abandoned and Existing Rail
8. Rail Industry’s Shipping of Tons of Goods Other Than Coal, Per Household
9. Amtrak 1971-2004: Lines Eliminated, and Threatened by Bush Cuts
10. U.S. Aerospace Industry Lost 200,000 Jobs in Three Years
The physical economy of the United States has collapsed as if a foreign enemy had come in and conquered, as a looting force, and shut down and carted off the nation’s productive capacities and economic infrastructure — while telling them this was to their benefit and would make them rich and happy.
In fact, it has robbed the United States of its proud legacy of a skilled, productive workforce in manufacturing and agriculture; and is further impoverishing their people.
This physical-economic depression collapse can be measured by the huge U.S. deficit in trade, now grown to cost them $625 billion a year, and with a matching Federal budget deficit of another $600 billion a year — a double debt-bomb set to explode.
It can be measured by the fact that American production of vital industrial materials, per capita, is sinking down toward the levels of 70-100 years ago! (Figures 1-5)
- RJW
Thanks for your comment Mitchell.
To help support what may seem as an extreme statement, readers can view some industrial charts from extensive reviews that show this physical collapse throughout industry, machinery and farming.
1. U.S. Steel Production – http://lh6.ggpht.com/_dwLn5kY0WDY/STUMEMb0i1I/AAAAAAAAFnE/8sIa9_htypw/s1600/Physical%20Economy%5B1%5D.JPG
2. U.S. Aluminum Production Per Capita, 1900-2003 – http://lh3.ggpht.com/_dwLn5kY0WDY/STUMEXZE5RI/AAAAAAAAFnM/cTFK4X0LhQY/s1600/Physical%20Economy%5B2%5D.JPG
3. U.S. Copper Production Per Capita, 1900-2001 – http://lh6.ggpht.com/_dwLn5kY0WDY/STUMEVAjyGI/AAAAAAAAFnU/habxGlvb3Vw/s1600/Physical%20Economy%5B3%5D.JPG
4. U.S. Manufacturing Production Workers as a Percent of Total Labor Force – http://lh3.ggpht.com/_dwLn5kY0WDY/STUMEn3blYI/AAAAAAAAFnc/v1VkdB0fWdI/s1600/Physical%20Economy%5B4%5D.JPG
5. U.S. Physical Goods Imports, 1960-2000 – http://lh4.ggpht.com/_dwLn5kY0WDY/STUMEqTIx8I/AAAAAAAAFnk/KgsL35xjjnU/s1600/Physical%20Economy%5B5%5D.JPG
6. Decline in Railroad-Track Mileage, 1950, 1970, and 2000, by Region – http://lh3.ggpht.com/_dwLn5kY0WDY/STUNB0D-_II/AAAAAAAAFns/NM06L5q25Cc/s1600/Physical%20Economy%5B6%5D.JPG
7. South Dakota: Abandoned and Existing Rail – http://lh4.ggpht.com/_dwLn5kY0WDY/STUNBwS_HEI/AAAAAAAAFn0/uAgeybVJCp8/s1600/Physical%20Economy%5B7%5D.JPG
8. Rail Industry’s Shipping of Tons of Goods Other Than Coal, Per Household – http://lh5.ggpht.com/_dwLn5kY0WDY/STUNCLX3ebI/AAAAAAAAFn8/y9nentPlz_0/s1600/Physical%20Economy%5B8%5D.JPG
9. Amtrak 1971-2004: Lines Eliminated, and Threatened by Bush Cuts – http://lh3.ggpht.com/_dwLn5kY0WDY/STUNCOXpRtI/AAAAAAAAFoE/C7ENbhSiRT0/s1600/Physical%20Economy%5B9%5D.JPG
The physical economy of the United States has collapsed as if a foreign enemy had come in and conquered, as a looting force, and shut down and carted off the nation’s productive capacities and economic infrastructure — while telling them this was to their benefit and would make them rich and happy.
In fact, it has robbed the United States of its proud legacy of a skilled, productive workforce in manufacturing and agriculture; and is further impoverishing their people.
This physical-economic depression collapse can be measured by the huge U.S. deficit in trade, now grown to cost them $625 billion a year, and with a matching Federal budget deficit of another $600 billion a year — a double debt-bomb set to explode.
It can be measured by the fact that American production of vital industrial materials, per capita, is sinking down toward the levels of 70-100 years ago! (Figures 1-5)
- RJW
As I understand it, the instability “secular crisis” (figure 7) is not from the closed positive feedback loop but the open “speculative” debt input. In fact, without the speculative debt and a stable starting point, figures 2to 4 show stable cyclical growth. Steve, as the “speculative” debt input is critical, could you detail the mathematical sub-system for this? The question obvious is where does the speculative debt come from? Showing modeling for this may be useful. It might also be useful to demonstrate the public money dilution in this process. Is this speculative debt subsystem an infinite debt generator of the money multiplier (whether derived locally or externally) followed by increased base money in a dyad?
As another “brain storm” idea: How would the model look if this debt money generation had its real cost recognized like say, an interest payment to the public coffers for the dilution of the value of money (similar to an interest payment placed on deposits)? Also as the government representing public money and private depositors are really putting the money up, then they should hold right of ownership over the deeds in the case of a banking crisis, so the banks become what they really are, just a conduit for the flow of finance. Debt input could then be regulated, by the government varying the primary interest returned and if needed charging a premium for speculative debt use.
Dear Steve,
I’m sure you know the work of James Crotty, and was wondering what’s your opinion on it.
Crotty tried to put together the insights of Marx, Keynes and Minsky to construct a theory of financial instability/crises. In his studies he points out that although Minsky’s theory of financial crisis is spot on about “pure” financial crises, it may be incomplete, because it lacks a model of crises stemming from problems in the “real” accumulation process (falls in the profit rate not due to indebtedness/debt servicing)…this seems to be very much the case in the auto industry where corporations suffer from enormous overcapacities, “realization” problems AND over-indebtedness.
Another thing: the debt bubble of the last 20 years (in the US) comes mainly from households taking on more and more debt, and not just corporations…this is obviously related to the fact that real wages have been stagnant/declining for cca 90% of US workers since 1973.
shouldn’t this be built into your model somehow?
Hi Brightspark and David J,
and others who’ve commented on the model I posted.
Firstly, the model is inherently very simple–I have had neither the time nor the funding to elaborate it as I would have wished. But I think the essentials of the model are “right”–and it doesn’t take much to so much more right than any neoclassically-inspired model.
It is based on Richard Goodwin’s “A Growth Cycle” model (Goodwin, Richard M., (1967). “A Growth Cycle”, in Feinstein, C.H. (ed.), Socialism, Capitalism and Economic Growth, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press: 54-58. Reprinted in Goodwin, R.M., 1982, Essays in Dynamic Economics, London: MacMillan), which was a second order coupled ODE (“Ordinary Differential Equation”) rendition of Marx’s model of the trade cycle, as published in Chapter 25 of Volume I of Capital.
That model’s two system states are workers’ share of income, and the rate of employment. The model presumes that capitalist invest all their profits–a linear assumption–and has a linea function for wages growth given the employment rate, but generates cyclical behaviour out of the structural nonlinearity that the wage bill equals the wage rate times employment (both of which are variable in the model).
I extended the model by replacing the linear workers reaction function with a simple nonlinear one (an exponential\), replacing the “capitalists invest all their profits” with a similar more realistic nonlinear function, and then introducing debt financing to add a third system state–the ratio of debt to output.
There are other extensions I’ve done over the years–including a simple price level dynamic, making the rate of technical change a variable based on the rate of profit, etc.–but I’ve never had the time to collate them systematically.
The speculative “investing” component is a fourth system state where the level of speculative borrowing is a nonlinear function of the rate of economic growth. The simple proposition behind it is that asset prices tend to rise during a genuine economic boom, and this encourages debt-financed speculation on asset prices–something that adds to debt but not to productive capacity.
I do not have asset prices in the model–I am working on a much larger purely monetary model that has the capacity to include them, but as usual haven’t had the time to complete that work–but the essence of the effect is covered by having speculative investment adding to debt, but not to capital.
The model is posted on the “Models” page that I’ve recently added to the blog–this is as good a time as any to advertise it!–and you can check it out yourself using the attached link to a Vissim viewer. I’d be interested in comments, though please bear in mind that I do my modelling directly in systems of coupled ODEs and this is simply, for me, a visual way of communicating the model to non-specialists.
Hi kmb,
I know of Crotty’s work, and I agree that there are overlays from productive economy issues that are not encapsulated in Minsky’s model.
However Minsky’s inspirations came from Schumpeter (directly, as his PhD supervisor), Keynes and Marx (though the latter never occurs in his bibliography), so in a way it’s very valid to see him adding the financial overlay to the perspectives of those others.
Brightspark,
“As to the debt level trigger points I have noticed that in 1892, 1932, and now, the debt to GDP ratio was increasing at the rate of close to 8.5% for all three.”
Just looking at the 1930′s case, I shouldn’t squint so much, rightly 1932 is shown as the peak in debt but could it be, as I suspect, a lagging indicator created by initial attempts by government and business to reflate and like now, also a lag for off balance sheet debt finally showing up on balance sheets (in particular banks) and the trigger point being the 1929 October crash with a decline in (now burnt) consumer debt participation after that not supporting the new debt expansion?
Hello,
Good news! I am still with a job. But working for an importer, it’s gonna get a hell of a lot tougher, when customers buy less of our stuff and business heads south 1H09. Will the government have any money left to pay my unemployment benefits?
Anyway, my question is; can anybody explain to me why is the government not in direct control of mortgage rates? If not the government then what about RBA??? Why are the banks skimming off us poor saps by not passing the full rate cuts?? If we are about pump priming, then why not have control of interest rates? Maybe introduce a ceiling. And I dont want to hear anymore about this deadweight loss and resulting inefficiencies and disequilibria. Equilibrium does not exist in oligopolies.
Why doesn’t the government become a lender? Am I starting to sound like a pro Telecom/State Bank sort of cheerleader?
If we are to seriously have a paradigm shift in economic theory, then why not incorporate this as a new way forward?
The banks will suck out the blood until the very last moment. just like the oil companies. then they will go running back to sugar daddy when shit hits the fan and they are faced with write-offs fromt he very customers they have been sucking dry.
these two corporate bourgeoise will be the first to be led to the guillotines when the revolution comes.
Let’s start sharpening our sticks and lighting our torches people, enough is enough!!!
imbankrupt, the basic reason for the government not lending or controlling interest rates directly is that we have a deregulated market.
Competition is assumed to set prices correctly. Now it is possible that banks are holding rates high because there is less competition, as they are writing fewer new loans.
However the reason for higher rates is most likely because they are starting to worry about future loan defaults. The margin they have is one of the lowest ever, and may eventually be shown to be too low. In other words they will lose a lot of money and the reserves wont be sufficient.
This video shows Peter Schiff being interviewed by Fox news back in 2006 and onwards. It is a compilation of how he was being ridiculed by Fox news. It is definitely worth 10 minutes of your time to watch. I found myself laughing at many points through it, especially when one person said he expected to see the Dow Jones hit 16,000
and also at some of the financial stocks they were recommending as dirt cheap back in 06 and 07.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/12/1/2148/90699/906/668290
Competition is now completely gone from the home loan market in Australia.
Remember the mortgage brokers that would advertise that they had over 30 lenders to choose from? That choice is now down to 5 or 6 and may soon be 4. Most of the 30 are either no longer trading, are priced out of the market, not taking new loans, have such stiff payout penalties that new customers will have to move and pay up big time when they close or some are about to be taken over.
Some examples, Bankwest was a big player, now taken over by CBA. Suncorp was a big player. Sacked most of their sales staff, leasing (shut down). They will soon be taken over or bankrupt. St George now taken over. Macquarie were the first to pull out of the market. (a year ago).
Not including the very small lenders, There is now AMP, ING and the majors.
ING is in trouble at home and AMP has been reducing its banking workforce (let management go and reduced sales force to a third last week). How long until there is 4? or maybe 2?
This change has allowed margins to rise all year. Most noticeable for commercial loans. Margins up dramatically.
Steve,
There has been an opinion by Ian MacFarlane and others that the crisis is a result of risky borrowing. It seems that to keep the economy chugging along (to oblivion) there needs to be exponential growth in debt, and the RBA would have ended up with policies to achieve this. So if borrowing had been more restrained, the RBA would have dropped interest rates further and made the borrowing look less risky encouraging more borrowing until we were back on the exponential curve. So the system guarantees that there will be risky debt, is that a reasonable interpretation ?
In other words once an economy operates in the debt driven paradigm it will eventually end up in a mess no matter what, which I think is essentially Minsky.
Dear Ken,
That’s aligned to Minsky’s thinking, but the exponential growth in debt in my Minsky model is more about the willingness to take on debt because of both perceived asset price gains and perceived real production profits. If those don’t exist, then even an interest rate of zero won’t entice borrowing.
Hi Steve,
Perhaps this is included, but is it also as asset prices gain over savings (to start, diluted by expanding debt) this creates a real and relative urgency to buy assets, particularly when the asset is a need, like a family home (i.e. “don’t miss the boat”, “get in before it’s too late”, “prices are only going to go higher” and so on)?
David J
What I noticed here was that although the absolute levels of debt were quite different at these times (c1890,c1930,c2008) the rates of increase in debt were almost the same. This indicates to me that rate of increase had more influence on the control loop than the absolute level. The time lag that you mention places the increase rates even closer.
What’s your opinion about the Austrian Economic School (Ludwig von Mises) ?
Less wrong than the neoclassical hmt,
But despite their proper position that a capitalist economy is never in equilibrium, and that a market economy is the best way to handle incomplete information, etc., they also seem to contradict this with the belief that the economy is never far from equilibrium either, and that somehow isolated individuals can anticipate the collective outcome of other individual behaviours (such as one private bank printing too much money) and therefore avoid crises…
The best outcome of the Austrian approach was Schumpeter’s analysis of the trade cycle, and that is something that is a core position of Evolutionary Economists (such as Nelson and Winter, Anderson, etc.). But most self-declared Austrians reject Schumpeter.
So I see it as a somewhat schizophrenic and internally contradictory school of thought. There have been lots of discussions of Austrian economics on this blog–with Anarcho being a regular very well informed critic–so if you search on those terms you’ll see what my perspective is on the Austrian school, and that of most bloggers here.
I’m not a specialist in these kind of matters. But Ludwig von Mises mentionned in his book The Theory of Money and Credit (1924 in German and 1934 in English) the role of credit and banking and their role in creating booms and busts.
What I understood from your articles is that this is one of your main charges as well. And if I understood correctly you are trying to make a model which would reflect those complex relationships.
As I said I’m not a specialist, but I do feel for a long time that current problems could be (partly) attributed to our banking system, our money and creditsystems and our government. A lot is written nowadays about inflation or deflation but as far as I know no models could reliable predict these outcomes today.
Do you think that such models could be built ?
That’s my current research project hmt,
and the model in the “Thimble” paper on the Research page is a first pass at this. I’ll be going much further in the book I hope to get back to writing next year, once this crazy semester is over.