After extensive and much appreciated critical feedback on the draft designs, this blog entry showcases the three T-Shirt designs I’m producing for the Walk to Kosciuszko.
Each has the words “I was hopelessly wrong on house prices. Ask me how” as required by the bet. Each also has a graphical answer to the question:
- Timing;
- Our Debt Bubble; and
- Government manipulation of the market in the form of the First Home Owners Grant.
Some blog members have made strong cases for a plain T-shirt, but I will stick with the graph-augmented designs. I entered public debate to make the points that (a) we were in for a serious debt-induced economic crisis; and (b) that conventional economic theory had helped cause this crisis by ignoring the role of credit. I intend using this Walk to continue communicating those messages.
I’ve taken aboard the observations that the distorted text made it harder to read both the text and the graphs, but I am placing the text strategically in each graph to emphasise the message of each T-shirt.
Some bloggers have also argued that I should replace “Walking against Australia’s property mania” with “Walking against Australia’s property bubble”. I am sticking with mania, because I believe that future generations, looking back on this period, will regard it as at least the equivalent–and probably the Master–of previous ages of delusion like the Tulip Mania, the South Sea Bubble, and John Law and the Mississippi Company. Charles Mackay popularised the word “mania” to describe such periods in his masterful Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds, and I think that term fittingly describes the period of delusion we are living through.
If the above choices mean that the T-shirts work less well for visual bites on TV and the like, so be it. I would rather see them as historical artefacts first, and communication devices second.
1: Timing
The first T-shirt shows CPI-adjusted house price indices for Japan, the USA and Australia, starting from the common date of June 1986 (the earliest date in the ABS time series for established home prices).
Japan’s real house price index rose by 54% between 1986 and 1991 during its Bubble Economy phase, peaked at 154.75 in February 1991 in the early days of the Bubble’s bursting. By March 2009 had fallen to 63.961–a fall of 58% over 18 years.
When Japan’s Bubble Economy fell into the heap that became known as The Lost Decade–and which is now closer to The Lost Two Decades–there were numerous commentaries that something as absurd as Japan’s bubble could never occur in America, given its much more efficient and transparent financial system. As a well-educated Minskian economist, I scoffed at the time at such reports, but even I didn’t appreciate how accurate my scepticism would prove to be.
The American real estate bubble–which began in 1997 after a period of relatively depressed prices after the 1990s recession–clearly dwarfed Japan’s. Between 1986 and late 2005, American real house prices rose by almost 88%. They then fell 36.5%, before starting to rise again recently–with the US version of Australia’s First Home Owners Grant playing a large role in the turnaround. Though prices have apparently bottomed, there are plenty of arguments to expect this to be only a temporary respite–from the size of the inventory of unsold houses to the approaching wave of defaults by mortgagees whose Alt-A “Option ARM” mortgages are about to reset).
However, both the Japanese and American house price bubbles are pygmies compared to Australia’s bubble. Australia’s still unburst bubble drove the real price of housing to 140 percent above the level of June 1986–that is, real house prices are now 2.4 times what they were in mid-1986 (the peak in real terms is still the pre-First Home Vendors Grant level of January 2008, though the nominal index is now 8 higher percent than then).
2: Our Debt Bubble
The reason that our house price bubble has kept going while other less hardy companions have already popped is the same old same old: debt. The T-shirt itself emphasises the aggregate level of private debt to GDP over the last 150 years, to make the point that this is the biggest debt bubble in our history. The previous two record highs were in 1882 at 104% of GDP, and 1931 at 77% of GDP. Today’s record is 158% as of March 2008.
This comparison actually understates the degree to which our current debt predicament is worse than any previous one, since those previous peaks were affected by deflation: the debt to GDP ratio rose between 1930 and 1931 (and 1890 and 1892) despite falling debt levels, because output and prices were falling faster than debt. In the 1930s, this phenomenon increased the debt to GDP level by about 10 percent over its pre-crisis peak.
We have yet to experience deflation, and yet our current debt level already far exceeds those previous peaks.
Household debt has played a pivotal role in this bubble. The next chart (which won’t be used for a T-shirt) makes that point. Mortgage debt rose fivefold (as a percentage of GDP) between 1990 and today. Without this debt binge, Australia’s private debt to GDP ratio today would be only slightly above the 1930s peak, rather than being twice its level.
The chart also highlights one other important point: a large reason why Australia has had such a mild GFC so far is because Australian households were enticed back into debt by the First Home Vendors Boost, and by the impact of the Government stimulus package upon household disposable incomes.
Households were reducing their mortgage exposure prior to the introduction of The Boost: mortgage debt had peaked at 81.3% of GDP in June 2008, and was trending down prior to the Boost. It then hit a bottom of 80.3% in December 2008 before rising to an all-time high of 86.8 in January 2010.
The change has been less extreme when mortgage debt is measured against Household Disposable Income (HDI), since the Australian government’s stimulus package and the interest rate cuts by the RBA boosted household incomes by almost ten percent last year. As a result, mortgage debt fell only slightly as a percentage of HDI, from 133.6% to 130.3%, and it took longer to fall. But ultimately, even though incomes had been boosted so substantially, the increase in mortgage debt last year finally exceeded the increase in incomes: by January 2010, the mortgage debt to HDI ratio had hit a new peak of 134.2%
The overwhelmingly important reason why this happened is the policy that the Government called the First Home Owners Boost, and which I describe by the more accurate name of the First Home Vendors Boost. As the final T-shirt shows, this is the fifth time in Australia’s recent economic history that the Government has manipulated the property market as a means of stimulating the economy.
3: The First Home Owners Grant
The First Home Owners Grant was first introduced in 1983; while it’s hard to locate discussion on why the grant was introduced (here’s a Hansard link for anyone with more time on their hand than I have to research this), the Grant was introduced when Australia was deep in the recession of the early 1980s, and during the first year of the new Hawke Labor Government. It is therefore likely that then, as now, the Grant was intended to boost economic activity by encouraging the housing market.
That was explicitly the purpose to enhancements to the Grant in 1988, in the aftermath to the Stock Market Crash of the previous year. The 2000 reintroduction of the Grant by the Howard Liberal Government was ostensibly a short-lived boost to the housing sector to get it over the impact of the introduction of the Goods and Services Tax (GST), but it was quickly turned to its customary role of boosting economic activity when a recession was feared in 2001 and the Grant was doubled.
The introduction of the GST is long forgotten of course, but the Grant lived on–and it was then boosted again in September 2008 as part of the Rudd Labor Government’s stimulus package to fight the GFC.
Each time it was introduced, the Grant worked as intended–and it worked not merely because it injected additional Government money into the economy, but also because it encouraged Australians to take on more mortgage debt. Each additional A$1,000 was turned into anything up to an additional $10,000 of buying power, so that while the Buyer got an additional $7,000 from the Government, the Seller (after a very satisfactory auction…) got an additional $30,000 or so from the buyer’s bank.
The Seller then used this money in turn to get a still larger loan from their bank, so that the Grant money was levered at least twice.
This double leverage is a major reason why we have a housing bubble today–and why we had one in 1988, and 2001 before that.
I don’t, like some analysts, blame the housing crisis solely on government policy: for me, the ultimate cause of our housing and financial crises will always be the innate willingness of the financial sector to extend debt. But it is certainly obvious that Government meddling in the housing market has seeded a bubble that the financial sector has then been only too willing to exploit.
As long-time readers know, I railed against this latest manipulation of the housing market when it was first introduced, and again when the scale of take-up of the Boost was first reported. My first post was the only one to draw a response from a Government Minister to any of my writings. Though this reads like a form letter that many critics of this policy may have received, the exchange is still worth reproducing here:
—–Original Message—–
From: Steve Keen [mailto:S.Keen@uws.edu.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2008 8:59 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Debtwatch comment on First Home Buyers Policy
I argue in the attached that doubling the First Home Buyers grant is a continuation of the policies that caused the economic crisis in the
first place.
Associate Professor Steve Keen
From: Plibersek, Tanya[mailto:Tanya.Plibersek@fahcsia.gov.au]
Sent: Thu 16/10/2008 5:19 PM
To: Steve Keen
Subject: RE: Debtwatch comment on First Home Buyers Policy [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Dear Steve
Thanks for your email about the First Home Owners Boost announced by the Prime Minister and Treasurer. I understand the concerns you raise in your email, however, as well as helping Australians into a home of their own, this measure will bring much needed stimulus to the housing market to support the Government’s macroeconomic agenda at a time of serious global uncertainty.
Housing is very important to the Australian economy. Investment in housing accounts for about 6 per cent of the overall economy, and housing is the major source of financial security for millions of Australians and their families.
Expanding support for first home buyers in this fashion is right for the uncertain economic conditions that we now face. It will also help to shore up housing activity in a sector that may otherwise slow. I have attached a fact sheet which provides some more information about the announcement.
Best wishes
Tanya
From: Steve Keen [mailto:S.Keen@uws.edu.au]
Sent: Thu 16/10/2008 7:05 PM
To: Plibersek, Tanya
Subject: RE: Debtwatch comment on First Home Buyers Policy [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Dear Tanya,
I appreciate your perspective, but I remain of the opinion that this is a misguided policy.
The housing market was seriously over-stimulated by debt-financed speculation in the last one and a half decades, and most of that stimulus did far more to boost price levels and increase unaffordability, than it did to increase supply.
The financial security promised by housing has become financial insecurity in the USA and the UK, and much of the OECD, and it will inevitably prove so for Australia too, which as you are aware has the most expensive housing relative to incomes in the OECD. True security only exists when house prices keep step with incomes. When they rise faster for sustained periods, on the back of even faster increases in debt, the financial wealth created is both fictitious and fragile, as we are now seeing on the daily news.
Part of the reason for Australia’s speculative bubble [I have made a slight grammatical edit here of the original] is the plethora of schemes in Australia which encourage speculation on house prices–from negative gearing, to capital gains tax at half the rate of income tax, the exemption of capital gains on principal residences, and of course the first home buyers scheme.
I would be far happier to see schemes to support renters and strengthen their rights, than yet another to encourage first home buyers into a grossly overvalued market.
Nonetheless I appreciate your email, and would like to keep in contact about this and the broader issues involved in our economic crisis.
Sincerely,
Steve
Now The Boost is behind us, and the evidence is in on its impact. There is no doubt that it stimulated the economy–possibly as much as the rest of the stimulus package and the RBA rate cuts combined. It also stimulated house prices through the roof–and it’s the main reason why I’ll be walking next month.
But it worked by seducing Australians back into debt, since (as I observed in a previous report), house prices can only continue rising compared to incomes if debt continues to rise faster still. This could continue after The Boost if the fire the Government lit in the market was carried on by “investors”–and that was and is certainly the hope expressed both by the Government and the property lobby.
My expectations, and that of many other critics like Adam Schwab, was that the FHVB would boost buyer numbers while it lasted, but cause a slump (in First Home Buyers at least) when it finished because (a) it would drag in many would-be First Home Buyers who would have purchased in later years into purchasing in 2009, thus inflating 2009 numbers at the expense of subsequent years; and (b) it would inflate prices so much that many other would-be First Home Buyers would decide to continue as renters instead.
That’s just from the borrowers side; the surprise move by Westpac to reduce its maximum LVR from 92% to 87% also made me feel that, just maybe, the days of rising leverage driving house prices were coming to an end. That doesn’t sound like much, but it means that a purchaser who had her eye on a $1 million dream home and had the requisite funding prior to the change would now have to find an additional $50,000 in cash to bid the same amount–that’s a 62.5% increase in the deposit required to come up with the asking price wanted by the vendor (from $80,000 or 8% of the purchase price to $130,000 or 13% of the purchase price).
The question then is whether the “investors” who’ve been enticed into the market by the promise of rising prices could outweigh an inevitable fall in the number of First Home Buyers and the start of banks unwinding their excessive leverage beneath house prices.
Preliminary data doesn’t look that crash hot for the property bulls on both these fronts. Both the number and the value of new mortgages took an unprecedented fall once the FHVB expired, as the next two charts show.
So the odds are high that the ending of the FHVB will be one of several triggers for the long overdue bursting of the Australian property bubble–along with the unwinding of excessive housing leverage and the slowdown in the rate of growth of mortgage debt. The FHVB will then turn out to be what I anticipated: a short term success that sets up the conditions for a long term failure, and at the expense of the quarter of a million Australians who were enticed into mortgage debt by this temporarily successful but ultimately irresponsible policy.
For that reason, the T-Shirt I’ll be wearing on day one of The Walk is number 3 above.









March 14th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
The Federal Government’s portion of the FHOG has finished, but State Governments are still contributing. NSW pays $7000 + up to $20,000 in Stamp Duty relief on a $500k home. Victoria recently announced a scheme that will pay up to $50,000 per property for new developments + unspecified ‘State and Commonwealth tax relief’. Most States have a $7,000 bribe + tax relief still on the table.
March 14th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
Hi Steve,
The final designs are very good. Just one thing on design 3 is that it is not perhaps entirely clear that the blue dotted lines represent the FHOG events. Since this is the point of the shirt is there any way you could make that blatantly obvious?
Also have to disagree with this statement
“house prices can only continue rising compared to incomes if debt continues to rise faster still”
“can only” is a very strong condition, clearly there are many scenarios where this is not necessarily true. Given that there are feasible scenarios where this is not the case, how do qualify this statement to make it always true?
March 14th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Steve, well done you! I’ll be proudly wearing No. 2
My only other comment is that it’s a shame there’s not a way to adjust the positioning/size of the text on No.1, so the chart lines aren’t quite so obscured. I think it’s a really impactful chart, and the impact is diluted somewhat with the text obscuring it.
Even so, well done you.
March 14th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
Unless of course you’d be prefer me to wear another… your choice Steve, it’s your show.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:35 am
BarnabyIsRight,
“What I’m actually hunting for though viz. my current article (bit of a whack at Gittins) is some kind of breakdown of “non-resident” holdings of our public debt, rather than the Foreign Debt.”
I couldn’t easily find the data you asked for. It may exist in the public domain but it may be difficult to obtain. The composition of the Chinese foreign reserves is a state secret…
It is obviously not on the already mentioned page of RBA
http://www.rba.gov.au/statistics/tables/index.html
Actually this could be an interesting question to be asked in the Parliament. One day the answer may be “go and read what prof Mitchell wrote, you undereducated reactionary neo-conservative mob”. This is the answer all the superannuation funds account holders would love to hear…
March 15th, 2010 at 8:46 am
ak,
Interesting to note that private institutional ‘pension’ funds apparently hold very little in the way of Commonwealth Securities themselves. According to RBA stats E9.xls, only $48m of a total $101bn as at June 2009.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:51 am
Steve, re No.1 – maybe you could try repositioning “on house prices” to the far left, and “I was hopelessly wrong” downwards so that “…wrong” ends in the white space between the USA and Japan chart lines? That way the really impactful part of the chart – the huge decline in USA/Japan vs tiny AUS bounce fueled by FHVB, would be really clear to see?
March 15th, 2010 at 9:14 am
It’s a logical deduction TININT, from the obverse side of the issue (looking at where the funds for unearned income can come from).
If house prices are on average going to increase faster than incomes, and this is a source of unearned income by the current owners, then the unearned income has to come from somewhere:
(a) Other people’s incomes, where for prices to rise faster than (a given subset of) incomes, the new purchasers have to have either higher incomes or devote a higher proportion of their incomes to house purchase than the current owners; or
(b) Increased debt.
I think we can fairly comfortably say we’ve exhausted the domestic source for (a)–leaving only overseas purchases, which are significant since the foreign ownership rules were weakened; but domestically (b) is the only option for further unearned income from home ownership and sale.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Chinese facing debt time bomb
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/7436653/Chinese-facing-debt-time-bomb.html
A report by Citigroup and Victor Shih of Northwestern University warns that the Chinese government may be forced to bail out banks that made loans for government-backed projects under the huge stimulus programme put together at the height of the financial crisis in 2008.
Professor Shih and his co-author of the report, Shen Minggao of Citigroup, have identified 2011 as the crunch point when the Chinese Government may have to engineer a bailout.
They claim that many of the loans made to local government schemes were made on the basis of Government guarantees, rather than the value of the underlying assets. When the Government guarantee is withdrawn, up to 20pc of the schemes could collapse.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:07 am
Thanks Steve,
I think I can see exactly what you are thinking there.
If you are taking the unearned income point of view and saying that it has to come from somewhere, my counter argument is that it is not unearned income until the property is sold.
Price setting in any period is done via a very small minority of the total stock of properties. It is not actually reflective of the value of total stock. So you can’t just multiply average price * number of dwellings to get the value of stock without making the totally unrealistic assumption of 100% liquidity.
My argument is that since the price setting in any given period can be done with many feasible combinations of transactions, with varying increases in mortgage debt, it is not necessarily always the case that prices can rise if and only if there is an increase in debt.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:11 am
Hi Steve,
Unfortunately I won’t be able to join you on your walk (I live in Brisbane) but would like to purchase a T-shirt none the less, preferably number two. How would I go about this?
March 15th, 2010 at 10:12 am
You mean like this:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:14 am
Let’s try that again:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:15 am
Re #11 Christopher,
I’m finding out costings now, and it looks like it’ll cost $50 per shirt (screen printed in 3 colours locally). So what I’m considering is adding $30 to cover postage and handling and pricing them at $80 each for locals (and another $20 for o/s delivery).
Does that sound reasonable?
March 15th, 2010 at 10:55 am
Steve re #13 – I’d try moving “askme how” to the left so more centred’ in the white space L-to-R; and I’d try moving “on house prices” up to be more ‘centred’ in the white space between Japan peak and chart annotation box, and see if that looks more balanced. But aside from that, excellent!! The divergence in those blue and red lines is now much more impacting, IMO.
BTW, before committing to your Tshirt supplier, maybe you could pop me an email with details of your intended order quantities, T-shirt style etc? I know someone who gets a good deal on shirts for a large golf social club, he may be able to get a better price for you.
March 15th, 2010 at 11:02 am
I think I’ll stick with ‘em as they are Barn; other things have to take priority now.
I can let you know about costings here: I’ve been quoted $50 each for a minimum order of 15 (they are all 3 colour jobs, produced locally, and making the silk screens is the main expense). That means $750 per shirt for 15 copies for a total bill of $2,250. If you can do a lot better than that, I’m interested–otherwise I’ll stick with a local supplier (just 2km from where I live).
March 15th, 2010 at 11:33 am
Steve,
I agree with your views on why land prices have risen so much. But with so much riding on this, governments (state and local) will do everything they can to delay economic reality. Those who are impacted by high prices are too apathetic or disorganised to change the politics, while those already owning houses will happily turn a blind eye to politicians indebting future generations of taxpayers through whatever price support mechanisms they can dream up. Sadly, I fear politics will triumph over economics for some time yet.
March 15th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Steve, is that for a brand name white Tshirt (eg, Haynes)? Also, will your supplier charge you any extra for mix-n-match of sizes, or can you ask for whatever no. of various sizes and still get the same per shirt price? Just double-checking.
March 15th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Just a basic good quality 100% cotton T-Shirt Barn, and I’m not sure on the mix’n'match issue. They may all be one size (Large I guess). Of course I’d prefer a mix. See what your supplier can manage. I would prefer to have the work done on-shore of course!
March 15th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
Possibly GG,
But for politics to trump economics they have to find a political way to increase the money being devoted to housing. Remember too that people may well have had the same “politics will trump economics” views in the USA and Japan, but this hasn’t stopped their prices plunging.
March 15th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
What’s going on?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/7442926/Is-Chinas-Politburo-spoiling-for-a-showdown-with-America.html
Does this explain the reversal in the rhetoric?
http://www.smh.com.au/business/chinese-dont-blame-it-on-rio-20100314-q64n.html
My little inner Homo Sovieticus whispers that something interesting may happen.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:11 pm
I had some t-shirts printed up less than a year ago and the price was a lot lower than you indicate here. The garments were originally from China (Johnny Bobbins) but the printing was done locally.
I can’t remember the exact breakdown but they were about $12 each including a single-colour screen print front and back. The setup was about $100 (total for the two screens).
This was for 200 t-shirts in a range of sizes with a mix of colours for both t-shirts and printing. Even with three colours, the totals you have been quoted seem excessive.
If you get a reasonable number (100+) printed up then I think you could probably get them at a low enough price that the forum members would happily buy them. $20-$25 would probably sell quite a few.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
We’re definitely doing better now than the original quote I got Pragmatist. We’re down to about $20 for locally printed T-Shirts, so if that’s confirmed then I’ll put a message out about it and see how many takers we get.
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March 16th, 2010 at 9:13 am
TITINT,
Re: #10
“Price setting in any period is done via a very small minority of the total stock of properties. It is not actually reflective of the value of total stock.”
This statement contradicts a core principal of property valuation. Recent sales of comparable properties is the main strategy used by valuers.
“It is not actually reflective of the value of total stock.”
Sorry TITINT, just plain wrong. If any homeowner seeks to refinance for, say, an extension to their home does the bank take the current market value of the home into account in determining the maximum LVR? You betcha they do.
March 16th, 2010 at 9:23 am
Steve,
I kept my nose out of the design discussion. I have the graphic design skills of a hairy nosed wombat.
FWIW I like the selected designs and the messages you have crafted. I also think your latest post is really hard hitting while still being easily understood by a layman. It should give anyone who reads it concerns about the sustainability of the RE market.
Cheers
March 16th, 2010 at 9:50 am
Something for fans of national debt —
This Time is Different Chartbook: Country Histories on Debt, Default, and Financial Crises
http://www.nber.org/papers/w15815
This Chartbook provides a pictorial history, on a country-by-country basis, of public debt and economic crises of various forms. It is a timeline of a country’s creditworthiness and financial turmoil. The analysis, narrative, and illustrations in Reinhart and Rogoff (2009), This Time is Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly, were primarily organized around themes (serial default, inflation, etc.), although detailed tables in the book chronicled country-specific information on the dating, frequency, incidence, etc. of specific crises episodes by country. The Chartbook compliments the thematic analysis with individual country histories, and provides the grounds for a systematic analysis of the temporal patterns of debt cycles, banking and sovereign debt crises, hyperinflation, and, for the post World War II period, the reliance on IMF programs.
March 16th, 2010 at 9:57 am
RE: #26
“This statement contradicts a core principal of property valuation. Recent sales of comparable properties is the main strategy used by valuers.”
Although this may be the practice, doesn’t mean it is correct. Assume 5% of all houses change hand each year, using the 5% sample to evaluate the rest of 95% is far from accurate. At 5% rate, it will take at least 20 years to let all housing stock turn over just once. Only by then we will know the “true” value of the total housing stock.
March 16th, 2010 at 10:37 am
angophera,
You are taking my argument out of context. It has nothing to do with either revaluation or refinancing.
I understand that what I am arguing is a difficult concept to get your head around and I am not very skilled at articulating my thoughts. I’ll try again.
Steve’s statement suggested that prices can only rise iff level of mortgage debt rises but mentioning foreign investment as an exception to the rule.
I would have no problem with it if the iff condition was instead something like – in the current economic enviroment prices are not likely to rise without a rise in mortgage debt.
While the statement is not exactly a hypothesis, for arguments sake I was just pointing out that a strong condition like that could be easy to disprove because all you need to show is one contradicting case.
To me it’s quite obvious that you can have feasible scenarios where prices rise and debt falls or vice versa. Prices and debt are not directly coupled together, although they are clearly highly correlated.
The deeper and harder to understand concept is that current prices are not reflective of the value of total stock and how that relates to the original statement, in particular the relation to unearned income.
I’m running out of puff at the moment but the way to understand it is to think about the price setting mechanism in markets and then what I am saying becomes intuitively obvious (perhaps not as easy to articulate). I have been watching many markets for many years so maybe things that seem obvious to me are not so obvious from a macro economic perspective. I may write again if I think of a way to articulate this a little better.
March 16th, 2010 at 11:52 am
Still a little difficult to follow your argument TITINT – appreciate its sometimes difficult to capture thoughts on the page.
FWIW – my take on this is that its not necessary for the entire inventory of a given market to have turned over in a particular time period, say one year, for us to make reasonable conclusions about price. In fact it would rarely happen. This is equally so for nearly all markets, whether its apples, oranges, cars, houses or financial derivative contracts.
I would argue that in practice only a sample of less than the entire inventory stock of a market is used to determine the price of a particular commodity. A number of examples i would site;
• Local greengrocer does not need to sell the entire countries supply of apples in order to figure out what people are prepared to pay
• Car dealer does not need to sell his entire inventory of holden commodores in order to figure out what people are approximately prepared to pay for the next sale
• Financial derivatives – its not necessary to have the entire open interest of futures contracts change hands in order to determine a daily price used for Mark to Market valuation, or similarly that all shares in BHP change hand in order to determine its market capitalisation
Similarly in the housing market i would argue that if only one house in a street of very similar houses changed hands at particular price, this would then influence the other homeowners in that street as to what their house would be worth if they were to sell. People do refer (or calibrate) their own thinking from that one sale in an extrapolated manner.
All of the above could be thought of as “Price Discovery”,
and i think its consistent with angophera’s #26 point – that recent valuations by banks are used to impact debt capacity of a borrower. The quality of said valuations of course is a side issue, but it is none the less part of banks lending process.
Now back to the orginal issue – if house price growth is consistently greater than income growth, is this the same as saying in aggregate that the asset side of our National Real Estate balance sheet is expanding faster than our domestic capactity to increase the equity component (ie- our savings from income over time). The shortfall to purchase the asset, a house, comes from one of two sources;
(1) Increased debt – which we can be observe increases in terms of higher price / income ratios
(2) Increased equity from non domestic sources – also occuring, even if only at the margin from foreign buyers
I guess the argument is that most of the shortfall comes from (1) above
Anyway just an oppinion – interested in alternate arguments. I learn the most from this site from oppinions that challenge my own beliefs
March 16th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Re: heterodox
All the samples you sited are much more liquidity comparing to housing Market.
Greengrocers have to sell their stock in couple of weeks otherwise the stock go bad.
There are about 1 million new cars sales per year in Australia, which only has about 20 million population. Not to mention the second hand car market.
Financial markets are highly liquidity and most efficient market.
All these goods are very comparable, either graded, having detail specification or regulated by legislation. “Prices Discovery” by using recent sales price is applicable and statistic accurate. However, using such method to value house will only led to distorted outcome. I remember the time when Japan real estate bubble at its peak, people was joking that the total value of local real estate alone worth more than whole United States.
March 16th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
hq – agree that the logic ive applied is not perfect. There are shelf life issues as you point out, liquidity is also an issue issue. If for example the entire housing stock were to be put on the market at the same time, resulting sales prices would be quite different…significantly lower i suspect.
However my point is not so much to suggest that linear extrapolation gets you to some “correct” valuation of the entire RE market. Rather to argue that people use comparable observations to make sense of value of their own property -
* Such and such down the road sold there 2 bedder for $500k, ours is in better condition, so it surely must be worth minimum of $500k, or
* Such and such sold their 50 story commercial property for $250m, based on this our Commerical RE portfolio must be worth # properties x $250m (plus/minus perceived differences)
I guess im suggesting that before a sale occurs, one of the major observations we make to assess price or value, is “what did an equivalent asset/house sell for” in the recent past.
Of course this observation can deviate materially from fundamentals or our own personal assessment of valuation. BTW – i completely agree with your Japan reference, such extrapolation is full of traps, and historically speaking can lead to massive mispricings (eg- Japan, Dot-Com, Railroads, Canals, Tulips etc). In fact such observations can perpetuate the “bigger fool” behavior of a market with speculative tendancies…
At the margin however, i think indivual owners and investors do at least take into account the recent past information. I might even push this a little further and borrow from Behaviorial Economist thinking, that recent past observation that can result in trend behavior of markets via feedbacks – despite neo camp arguing random walk.
March 16th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Heterdox, hq, TITINT,
Boy are we splitting some hairs here. Camparable pricing in Real Estate has been the go for yaers when it comes to selling or valauations. However, the samller the sample the lesser the justification also in Real Esate in particaular there are areas Suburbs, streets special circumstances etc that contirbute to price.
This market is different for never has a community of buyers and lenders been so divided. Some on this blog (the majority I would think) believe the Real Estate in Aus as overpreced. Some are out there buying and some at ridiculous prices -others are not reaching the reserve “sell through” rates are not very high, lending is at an all time low. One Ban the NAB says Banks are not lending to the “productive” side of the economy, business, instead they are lending to the unproductive side, housing. One creates wealth the other consumes it.
So, getting back to valuation, it is now uncertain. If you can afford it you buy it. The Banks are not taking big risks any more. This “bubble” of high prices for “some” Real Estate is not accross the board. It is not in my opinion likely to cause a deleveraging of ALL Real Estate prices in the near future. The deleveraging will most likey come from something that affects the masses Unemployment on a serious note. Export collapse of commodities to China, Japan etc. or an unknown Black Swan.
Whilst the market is going a bit stupid, there is a great deal of caution there and no great amount of money in the lending system to explode the potential into a full scale blow out.
This is my opinon and I believe that comparison valuations -at the present point in time- are dangerous and not a true indication of the worth of the housing market in general.
March 16th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Well said qaday,
I’ll split another hair on your last point – is there ever a true indication of the worth of the housing market in general, what does such a concept really mean.
On the point of price discovery, I guess one simple way to describe is that at the micro level supply/demand is king. At the micro level the price is set via an agreement between a buyer and a seller, the seller has a minimum price but wants to sell for the maximum and the buyer has a maximum price but wants to buy for the minimum, sellers compete with other sellers, buyers compete with other buyers. Each price discovery is an agreement between a buyer and a seller. What macro-economists, neo classical or whatever have done with that is their problem. At the micro level, this is what happens.
So given that it is fairly clearly possible to have a situation where price goes up and debt goes down. Just need to think of an example.
Ok here is an example, not easy to think of. There are two processes, change in debt and change in price.
Let’s assume 100% leverage or no deposit purchases, this is a limiting case to the argument anyway, ie if we can prove it in this case then it is proven when leverage is <100%.
For any period change in debt is value of purchases in the period debt repayed by former owners of the sold properties plus debt repaid via periodic payments.
All we need to do is tweak liquidity or supply/demand such that value of purchases is less than the debt repayed by former owners and debt repaid.
If we drop the 100% leverage assumptions this is even easier to do because then we would even just need the aggregate leverage to be small enough so that new mortgage debt is less than debt repayed by former owners.
The key is that the change in price, via the process of price discovery is not directly linked to change in debt. Change in debt for example probably has no direct effect on immediate supply.
March 16th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
correction
For any period change in debt is value of purchases in the period debt repayed by former owners of the sold properties plus debt repaid via periodic payments
should read
For any period change in debt is value of purchases in the period minus debt repayed by former owners of the sold properties minus debt repaid via periodic payments
March 16th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
So a decrease in debt will most likely but not necessarily coincide with a decrease in demand. Prices will not necessarily fall if there is a larger decrease in supply in the same period. And in saying larger decrease in supply it is not necessarily larger in absolute, but rather larger in relation to how the price discovery mechanism reacts to changes in supply and demand.
March 16th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
TITINT,
You’re right, there is no real valuation process. The same for small business although small buisenss can work out on a return on investment basis by auditing the figures.
This virtually means that the phyche or the mood of the day virtually carries the imputus of price-up or down until a new mood frame exists.
What a way to run an economy? no wonder we are a boom bust World No reason no common sense and all emotion (greed is an emotion in my book for it allows for a certain abdication of applied human sense through lack of all the facts).
So, where does that leave us? with housing only buy what you can really afford and only buy below a “bubble” price in the area that suits you. Or wait and wait and wait ’til the general pysche is in depression and will sell to a cash buyer for there won’t be too many being financed when we are in the middle of a full blown depression, if ever we are.
March 16th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
gaday, another problem with asset bubbles is they distort the rest of the economy, so buying what you think you can afford may leave you owning something that you can’t afford when the bubble collapses. The only solution is not to buy anywhere near the top of the market. It applies to everything though, anyone using conventional business ideas, like return on investment is stuffed because they don’t take into account stimulus through increased debt, so spending drops off.
Another sign of dropping debt, the banks have started dropping the interest rates on term deposits.
March 16th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
ken
What about our superannuation contributions, they are no doubt helping to inflate the bubble? Will we be able to afford retirement? Is the super working against us?
March 16th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
Ken,
I noticed the drop in Term Deposit rates only yesterday. Ironically it fits in with my renewal in May. I can’t seem to win with my timing in this one. Every time I renew, the interest rates go up after I have signed on and when I think I may get more next time what is now happenning, happens.
However, I am taking the broader view as you mentioned that all is sync within the same market however the signs are there for change. Interest rates down for term deposits does this mean when unemployment figures show the reverse of now and retail sales are down that the RBA will lower the official rate once again?
R.O.I. on busines, you raise an interesting point (which by the way you are right) I looked at a busines that went to the wall, one that I could acquire basically for fit out costs a savings of some hundreds of thousands of dollars close to $600k in Goodwill. Based in a major shopping complex, major REIT Landlord, worked back figures from base rent plus outgoings, added projected figures result- Rent is still at today’s standard with 5% increase plus adjustments for next 7 years. Bye Bye purchase. The odd figure that was fixed in the equation at todays rates and expotentionally increased was the Rent. In a deleveraging market with deflation it was I believe a disasterous combination.
Pleased to see that others reason the whole picture as well and not the singular interest focus.
March 16th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
I note in the correspondence to Tanya Plibersek it is stated that part of the reason for the speculative bubble in property is due to the plethora of schemes which encourage speculation on house prices.
The FHOG receives special mention you have argued that the grant simply gives home buyer greater leverage/borrowing power resulting in the vendors receiving a higher price than what would have otherwise been the case.
If this is held to be true then is it not also the case that the RENTAL ASSISTANCE $100-$150 p/f paid to over 1 million welfare recipients simply ends up in the hands of landlords/ivestors who in turn leverage up with more debt and bid up the price of houses in the lower end of the market.
I make this point because this scheme has been going for 20 years and tens of billions of taxpayer dollars have been diverted to the hands of private investors leading to speculation on investment properties.
The cost of the whole scheme makes the FHOG look like pocket money yet it does’nt rate a mention.
Is it time to end the RENTAL ASSISTANCE program. ???
March 16th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
slaphappy,
What a good point! I would like this point to be scrutinised.
F.H.O.G. has been going for at least 45 years. and looks like it subsidises for want of a better word the RENTAL ASSISTANCE in an inadvertant sense?
Is it time to end all subsidies and assistance program to the housing industry including capital gains tax, leveraged salary negative gearing etc etc.? interesting?
March 16th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
TITINT, gaday, heteradox, hq et al
Interesting to read all of your perspectives. It seems to me that some of the comments approach this discussion from a perspective of identifying “intrinsic value” as compared to “current market value”. No-one (to my knowledge) has ever successfully come up with a way to calculate intrinsic value in RE that was not hotly disputed. Perhaps Steve’s unearned income via debt will be the key to identifying intrinsic value.
March 16th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
Slaphappy.. I see your point, though I think any revision of the rental assistance program would have to follow some more constructive intervention at the top end of town. Horse before the cart. I agree that much of the government’s policy to ostensibly improve housing affordability in fact further decreases affordability in the long run, especially for those doing it tough.
I think we need to focus firstly on the tax treatment of landlords/investors ie re-look at negative gearing for established dwellings etc.. Get property prices and rents under control before removing the support for those who are at the wrong end of the property bubble.
March 16th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
angophera
You are probably right, I am not qualified enough to comment (academic wise) however grass root wise it seems to me that Banks actually invent currency NOT wealth.
This means self interest to the extreme with a factor of one!
Govts. don’t want to disturb the current situation because of the pain in cure may/would cost them their jobs.
My point is that to convert the wrong to right will take more than presenting immediate personal suffering.Some suffering (saving and going without) will in the long term prevail as a good thing however it’s not something that can be preached, only experienced. Simply put, the Govt needs to make some “tough Love” decisions. To date it does not have the GUTS to make those decisions for the abovementioned reason.
Meanwhile the only “weapon” we have (for the want of a better word)is to point out (educate the people) just what the economy is doing at all levels of society,especially the fundamental basics -Bank financing HOUSING converts in the way they do it, to money for them to relend NOT WEALTH FOR THE INDIVIDUAL TO WHOM THEY LEND IT TO! which in turn subjects the every day mortgagee to a boom bust financial instability.
Is this what good Govt is all about? I think NOT!
March 16th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/dazzled-by-housings-magic-rise-20100315-q9ld.html?comments=23
Interesting article by Tim Colebatch
March 16th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
Brightspark1 re #40,
I’m most reluctant to comment at all on any of these economic discussions, since I’m no more than a better-than-average-read layman. But on super, can’t help myself.
Personally, I don’t believe I’ll ever see a cent of my super. The government will have seconded the lot, waaaaay before I ever reach retirement age. In support of this contention, simply look at the growing rise in talk amongst funds industry lobbyists, selected politicians, and “expert” commentators, about the “wisdom” of Govt “encouraging” (ie forcing) funds to invest x% of super funds into “government-approved” investments. That will be those nice “safe” Govt Bonds, no doubt. According to RBA Stats E9.xls, only $48m of $101bn in Commonwealth Securities on issue at June 30 2009 were held by “pensions and provident funds”. If you’re a government wanting to prop up fiscal madness, what a great way to guarantee support of your future securities issues than to force super funds to up their purchases. For our benefit, of course. After all, the losses by super funds in the GFC Rd 1 make for a perfect excuse / stalking horse.
Naturally, any initially required % of total super would only be increased over time, leading eventually to all our super being taken over by govt, invested as they see fit, and we plebs having no opt out, and no option to take a lump sum on retirement either. Only choice being a govt ‘pension’ commensurate with your super balance. Seriously. Those are some of the actual ideas that were thrown up for consideration to the Henry Tax Review.
I do what I can to ensure my super is well invested now.. such as switching the lot to cash in May 07 and missing the collapse. But that’s only because I always try to remain responsible regardless. I genuinely don’t believe I’ll ever see a cent of it.
March 17th, 2010 at 9:07 am
If you want more control of your superannuation, set up an SMSF. I’m concerned governments will be tempted to fiddle with SMSFs as well, but for the moment SMSF trustees are the only ones who decide exactly what their super is invested in.
March 17th, 2010 at 11:38 am
“I’m concerned governments will be tempted to fiddle with SMSFs as well”
Indeed. After all, clearly the citizens aren’t bright enough to be trusted with wisely investing their own retirement savings, now are they?