Party like it’s New Year’s Eve 1930
I recommend that you finish the year with a look at the News from 1930 blog, which is providing some “year in review” commentary on 1930 now–including these details on the market highs and lows. Obviously some things were much worse in 1930 than today–notably industrial production and the stock market:
Market highs and lows:
Dow industrial average high of 294.07 Apr. 17; low 157.51 Dec. 16. Rail average high of 157.94 Mar. 29; low 91.65 Dec. 16. Utility average high of 108.62 Apr. 12; low 55.14 Dec. 16.
Market value of NYSE-listed stocks high of $76.1B Apr. 1; low $53.3B Nov. 30.
Dow bond average high of 97.70 Oct. 1; low 92.83 Dec. 17.
Production highs and lows:
Daily oil production high of 2.722M barrels Feb. 22; low 2.127M barrels Dec. 27, lowest since July 1926.
Steel production in March was yearly high of 4.300M tons; low 2.234M Nov. 30.
Rail freight loadings high of 989,504 cars Aug. 30; low 702,085 Nov. 29 (vs. 1929 high 1,203,139, low 798,682).
Reflections
One clear factor stands out about 2009: though the vast majority of neoclassical economists (and the politicians they advise) entered the Global Financial Crisis in denial that it could even happen, by late 2008 they were in panic mode about what it could forebode. Ed Lazear, who was head of Bush’s Council of Economic Advisers from 2006-2008, gave a strong sense of just how extreme that panic was when he spoke at the Australian Economists Conference in September of this year–and the Economic Report of the President (which he submitted from 2007 till 2009) provide an interesting history of just how little idea conventional economists had that a crisis was on its way.
At the beginning of 2007, the President’s Council of Economic Advisers were confidently predicting that unemployment would remain constant in 2007, and rise only slightly in subsequent years:
A year later–at the beginning of 2008–they were only slightly less cheerful:
Even as 2009 commenced, they were still unaware of just how bad the crisis would be. The forecast below was made using data up till November 10 2008, and the forecasts are for the end of the nominated year. So the President’s Economic Advisers told Obama–on his arrival at America’s helm in February 2009–that unemployment at the end of 2009 would be … 7.7 percent:
That forecast wrong by 2.3 percent as of October 2009–even after a slight recovery:
By 2009 the biggest government stimulus packages in human history were in full swing. Australia’s Prime Minister Kevin Rudd estimated that these amounted to spending 18 percent of GDP over 3 years from September 2007 till September 2010.
As a result of these packages, the economic outcome for 2009 was far less painful than non-neoclassical economists like myself expected. I had surmised that Australian unemployment would top 9 percent by year’s end 2009–instead it is 5.7%. Unemployment in the USA has apparently started to stabilise at 10%, when I expected it to be above 13% by now.
So the government stimulus packages have, in the short term, worked. I’ll consider what might happen next further down, but I want to emphasise something here: this is as much a contradiction of standard neoclassical economic theory as the GFC was in the first place. Not only does neoclassical theory not allow that events like the GFC can occur, it also argues that government policy cannot have a beneficial impact upon the economy–all it can do is increase the rate of inflation.
The actual reasons for this belief are arcane, but this choice quote from leading neoclassicals Thomas Sargent and Neil Wallace puts the dominant neoclassical case in a nutshell:
In this system, there is no sense in which the authority has the option to conduct countercyclical policy. To exploit the Phillips Curve [a relationship between unemployment and inflation], it must somehow trick the public. But by virtue of the assumption that expectations are rational, there is no feedback rule that the authority can employ and expect to be able systematically to fool the public. This means that the authority cannot expect to exploit the Phillips Curve even for one period. Thus, combining the natural rate hypothesis with the assumption that expectations are rational transforms the former from a curiosity with perhaps remote policy implications into an hypothesis with immediate and drastic implications about the feasibility of pursuing countercyclical policy.’ (“Rational Expectations And The Theory Of Economic Policy”, Journal of Monetary Economics, Vol. 2 (1976) pp. 177-78; emphases added)
Whoops: suddenly in 2008, economists who believed that went straight into “Keynesian” pump-priming mode. They have become “born again Keynesians”–though their knowledge of Keynes is scant to say the least, since prior to 2009, neoclassical economists had driven all consideration of Keynes out of academic curricula.
Forecasts
Now that government action has saved the economy in the short term, the same economists who used to argue that it could do nothing of the sort are expecting the resumption of “business as usual” growth. Ed Lazear himself, in September 2009, was expressing (without much conviction) the view that it was feasible for the US economy to grow at 5% in 2010–on the basis that the data showed that “the bigger the fall, the higher the rebound”. A statistical argument to that effect formed part of his 2009 Report:
So far, the recovery is not going according to plan. What was initially seen as a strong sign that the V-shaped recovery was underway–the 3.5% growth rate in the September quarter–has since been revised down to a mere 2.2% growth. The initially estimated rate was just more than enough to make a dent in unemployment; the revision is still below the 3% level that is seen as being needed to keep unemployment from rising.
I base my forecasts, not on regressions, but what I regard as the underlying causal mechanisms in the economy, which are well captured in Minsky’s Financial Instability Hypothesis. The key factor here is the ratio of private debt to GDP, built up on the basis of an inherently cyclical economy, and overlaid by a financial system that has a strong tendency to fund “Ponzi” speculative behaviour rather than real investment.
On that basis, the real game of the GFC–deleveraging by the private sector–has only just begun in the USA (and has been delayed in Australia by government policy, as I discussed in my previous post). We are just at the peak of the biggest debt bubble in human history. It dwarfs the level of debt reached in the 1930s largely because conventional economists like Greenspan and Bernanke allowed a “natural” debt bubble that should have burst in 1987 to keep going for two more decades:
“Business as usual” growth since the end of WWII has been underwritten by a rising level of debt (right from 1945 in the USA’s case, and from the mid-1960s in Australia’s):
This was always going to lead to a crisis when the debt-financing load became too great, and the asset bubbles financed by this Ponzi Lending finally burst. The government rescues of 2009 have clearly re-ignited this bubble in the stock market, giving us the longest running and biggest bear market rally in history:
Whether that rally can continue–and “business as usual” growth resume in the real economy–is the moot point for 2010. The rally, though impressive, has still only taken the market back to 25 percent below its peak in early October 2007.
My expectation is that, some time during 2010, the disconnect between the financial markets’ euphoric expectations and the hard reality of a deleveraging private sector will bring the optimism of both “born again Keynesian” neoclassical economists and the markets to an end. Growth will not resume once the stimulus packages are removed, since deleveraging will then assert itself in the absence of government stimulus. Falling debt will subtract from growth, as it once added to it, and unemployment will start to rise again.
I expect that governments will react to this as they did in 2009–by turning on the stimulus packages once more, while continuing to ignore the private debt levels that caused the crisis in the first place. They will “turn Japanese”, to coin a phrase–since this is the same thing the Japanese government has been doing for two decades since its Bubble Economy burst at the end of 1989.
This process may repeat itself two or three times before serious attention is finally turned to the Ponzi-dominated financial sector’s parasitic impact on the real economy. But for now, the parasites are clearly still in control of the host.
That’s it for the serious stuff! Sydney is a great city in which to welcome in the New Year, and I’ll happily be doing that at a swish restaurant in Darling Harbour tonight. But before I go, here’s a quick personal retrospective on 2009.
Should old acquaintance be forgot…
Many thanks to the many bloggers who’ve joined the site (there are now over 3,000 members), and to the smaller number (about 50 I think) who regularly post comments. I’ve learnt a lot from following the debate, though the sheer volume and my “real job” work commitments get in the way of replying to all requests for feedback.
There are also a remarkable number of readers around the world: the site now has about 50,000 unique readers each month, with a substantial additional number following via RSS feeds. On New Year’s Day I’ll publish the final count for the number of readers, but the current tally (as of 9.39am on New Year’s Eve) is shown in the table below. It seems likely that December will set a new record of over 53,000 unique readers.
Toil and Trouble
It’s been a productive year for me in terms of research. Against all expectations, I managed to develop the monetary multisectoral model of production that has been an ambition for over a decade–under the pressure of a research grant from the CSIRO that had a very tight deadline. Early in the New Year I’ll post a pair of videos outlining both my model and the CSIRO’s biophysical model–I simply haven’t had time to do so as yet.
I’ve also published more than ten papers–a ridiculous tally for one year:
- (2009) “The “Credit Tsunami”: Explaining the inexplicable with debt and deleveraging”, in Friedman, G., Moseley, F. & Sturr, C., The Economic Crisis Reader, Dollars and Sense, New York, pp. 44-51.
- (2009), “The Global Financial Crisis, Credit Crunches and Deleveraging“, Journal Of Australian Political Economy, No 64, pp. 18-32.
- (2009), “The Confidence Trick”, The Australasian Accounting Business & Finance Journal, May, 2009.
- (2009), “Household Debt—the final stage in an artificially extended Ponzi Bubble”, Australian Economic Review, Vol. 42 No. 3, pp. 347-57.
- (2009). “Bailing out the Titanic with a Thimble”, Economic Analysis & Policy, Vol. 39 No. 1, pp. 3-24.
- (2010). “The coming depression and the end of economic delusion”, in Steven Kates (ed.),Macroeconomic Theory and its Failings: Alternative Perspectives on the Global Financial Crisis, Edward Elgar, Cheltenham, UK, pp. 127-142.
- (2009) “The dynamics of the monetary circuit”, in Jean-François Ponsot and Sergio Rossi (eds.), The Political Economy of Monetary Circuits: Tradition and Change, Palgrave, London, pp. 161-187.
- (2009), “Warum die Standard-Theorie des Unternehmens nicht mehr unterrichtet werden Darf”, in Luderer, B. (ed.), Die Kunst des Modellierens (The Art of Modelling), Vieweg+Teubner Verlag, Wiesbaden, pp. 179-194. (English draft here)
- (2009), “A pluralist approach to microeconomics”, in Reardan, J. (ed.), The Handbook of Pluralist Economics Education, Routledge, London, pp. 120-149.
- (2009), “Mathematics for pluralist economists”, in Reardan, J. (ed.), The Handbook of Pluralist Economics Education, Routledge, London, pp. 149-167.
- (2009), “Keynes’s ‘revolving fund of finance’ and transactions in the circuit”, in Wray, R. and Forstater, M., (eds.), Keynes and Macroeconomics after 70 Years, Edward Elgar, Cheltenham, pp. 259-278.
The 11th paper is awaiting referees’ reports (“Solving the Paradox of Monetary Profits“), but will be available as an online discussion paper on Monday January 4th in the new and very innovative journal Economics.
The number of conferences I’ve spoken at is even more ridiculous: 44 in all, about 33 of which were public seminars with the remainder being academic conferences.
I also wrote 10 new lectures for a new subject Behavioural Finance. I’ll add three more next year when I take the subject again in August 2010:
Behavioural Finance
- Reconsidering Consumer Behaviour (PDF)
- Reconsidering Producer Behaviour (PDF)
- Reconsidering Behaviour in Finance (PDF)
- How the Data Killed CAPM (PDF)
- The Fractal Markets Hypothesis (PDF)
- The Inefficient Markets Hypothesis (PDF)
- Experiments in Economic & Financial Behaviour (to be posted in 2010)
- The statistics on money and implications for finance and economics (PDF)
- The endogenous money perspective (PDF)
- Modelling Endogenous Money I (PDF)
- Modelling Endogenous Money II (PDF)
- The Global Financial Crisis (to be posted in 2010)
- Alternative nonlinear methods to model financial behaviour (to be posted in 2010)
New Year’s Resolutions
Some of these are necessities:
- Establish a blog for the walk from Parliament House to Kosciousko
Others are vital:
- Begin a discussion forum linked to Debtwatch
- Start solid work on my book Finance and Economic Breakdown for Edward Elgar Publishers
And some are easy to achieve, but hard to do:
- Spend less time on the blog so that I have more time for the book
The last task is hard to do because, of course, I enjoy this blog. But I spend too much time on it already, let alone with the added task of writing a book. But ultimately I have to provide a book-length treatment of Minsky’s theories (and the data of the GFC) if I’m going to help cause a permanent shift in economic theory and policy. So I have to force myself to spend less time on this blog.
Happy New Year everyone. 2010 looks like being just as exciting as was 2009.








Greetings from Germany!
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I’m a software engineer following your blog since september 09 trying to understand more of money theory … not enough success yet to ask reasonable questions.
But I know a little bit about web site statistics and so I suspect a kind of stock/flow error in your statistics. (Learned about human stock/flow errors inspired by an older blog post of yours
I suspect that “unique visitors” is calculated per month and so summing it up would be worth less.
(Hmmm … maybe some special economic mathematics I’m not aware of inspired by modern bank accounting standards?)
Re #404 Carsten,
Welcome aboard. Yes I’m aware of that problem! The unique visitors are summed each month, which gives a valid estimate of an average of around 50,000 unique readers per month. But the summing up is fallacious. However I suspect that a form of “Power Law” applies here: there is a roughly 1:3 ratio between unique visitors and visitors, and I suspect a similar ratio applies between “Unique per month” and “Unique per year”. So that implies about 150,000 unique visitors in 2009.
Re #s 390-400, Lots of interesting observations and thanks all for taking part.
I think the suggestion that net financial assets = 0 in a closed credit economy is an axiom rather than a conservation law is a good way of summarising the debate.
On econophysics, I see some merit in what they’re doing but there is also a lot of confusion–aiming high-powered tools from another discipline at not fully understood targets–which is why I contributed to the paper “Worrying Trends in Econophysics”.
I agree that I would have benefited from more exposure to financial accounting JKH, and I can now see the power of combining accounting concepts with dynamic modellng, courtesy of the framework I’ve developed for doing that. I would actually like to work with you and several people here to produce the comprehensive accounts you discuss so that the total dynamics are captured. My current models focus mainly on the debt_money nexus and while they don’t violate the accounting balances you note, they don’t express them either.
I do intend going from the single banking sector I currently have to a multi-bank system with a clearing house bank between them. This would be a “CB with no CB” initially in that I wouldn’t also model government deficits and net fiat money creation. They would then be added later.
Equally I intend building a “pure Chartalist” (fiat only money) model as a prelude to a mixed model.
In models so far, simply for the sake of simplicity, I have modelled only the assets and liabilities sides of a bank ledger and omitted equity. Obviously however there is a need for a more comprehensive system in which all relevant accounts and forms of ownership are modelled.
SK 407,
A few more thoughts:
It’s been some months since I briefly reviewed the account structure in one of your papers.
The thing that sticks out in my memory was the existence of an account called “bank deposits” or “bank account’, which I believe was a bank asset account (I hope I’ve got this right). And I think you were using that bank account as a means by which to record money moving in and out of the bank due to a variety of transactions. The point of confusion for me then was that it seemed to have combined characteristics of a reserve account and an equity account, potentially serving also as a temporary repository for any type of customer money including currency, all combined in some way. Also, I recall that you distinguished at times between “ledger entries”, versus payments (more on this below) through this bank account. And finally I must confess it wasn’t clear to me whether you were modeling an individual bank, the banking system, or both at once. I assumed you were modeling an individual bank because the role of this particular bank account. I’m not sure now when you say you are currently modeling a single sector.
My suggestion high level is basically to model a consolidated banking sector as if it were one bank, as the first step. In that consolidation, I would eliminate what currently is the role of the central bank reserve account. As we all know, the purpose of that central bank account is really not to provide “reserves” in any necessary way. The purpose is to provide a clearing and settlement account for interbank payments. Accordingly, you can assume that the banking system in the real world has a zero reserve requirement (Canada is zero; Australia also?) and that the central bank runs that clearing system at near perfect efficiency – i.e. at what is effectively a zero consolidated balance on an ongoing basis. When you do that, and incorporate that assumption into consolidation, your consolidated balance sheet actually has nothing to net out in terms of actual reserve balances. (Perhaps this is a discrete time period assumption as opposed to continuous time – but I’m not sure it matters that much, given the consolidation overlay.) It’s a clean representation from that perspective.
Then make the further simplifying assumption that all bank customer payments are made via debit to bank deposit accounts. Thus, there is no currency in the model, no reserves, and also assume no government debt.
What is left is a pure horizontal representation of a consolidated banking system.
The assumption is critical that all bank customer payments are made via debit to bank deposit liability accounts. Because of that, all payments are now “ledger entries”. The mode of accounting event as between payments and what you described as “ledger events” becomes the same. There’s no longer any need to differentiate a non-payment ledger adjustment from a payment in the sense of its “ledger” characteristic.
And because you’ve assumed a zero reserve, perfectly efficient clearing system as the backdrop, there is no need to worry about the integrity of the individual bank balance sheet decomposition that is buried in the consolidation as you go along modeling payments.
Also, because of the integrity of the efficient clearing and settlement assumption, you don’t have to worry about underlying payments that might be made by individual banks dealing directly with each other. You don’t need to model them at all at the consolidated level, and you don’t need to be concerned that you are in conflict with any real world operation. E.g. If bank A makes an interbank deposit directly with bank B, it makes the payment either directly in reserve funds or by some other mode of payment that gets cleared through reserve funds. Because of the assumption of an underlying efficient clearing system, that payment must be offset in the opposite direction elsewhere, due to the effect of net customer transactions on bank reserve distribution.
I.e. the model is equivalent to one in which a single bank becomes the horizontal monetary system, and all payments are accounting adjustments on the balance sheet of that bank, in addition to any other accounting adjustments that aren’t considered to be payments, such as the example of your interest accrual.
Those are just words of course. I know things get more difficult when you translate words to math and models. I think you’ve made that point in your themes. But this should work. It should map model payments and other accounting entries directly to real world accounting entries – or at least logic consistent summaries of real world accounting entries. It doesn’t have to be a precise match, just a reasonable facsimile of the same ideas. Again, the essential idea from my perspective is that equity and profit are integral concepts, quite separate from any concept of a reserve account, or bank account.
I’d be pleased to help out if I can.
Thanks to all above who helped to clear up what happens in the banking system.
Are you guys able to give a definition of “credit money”? The definition of money seems central to this discussion….
Top of the list for a dynamic model, I guess, is what are you going to use to initiate events.
The passing of period of time seems rational.
The second aspect would seem to me to be something about points of decision about the flow of money.
In there is something about the power over the order to exchange stuff of value, or to bring it into existance, or to destroy it.
Then there is something of the scale of the effect.
So for me starts to emerge the following classes:
Player
Role
Event
Player_Value_Control
Money_Types
Populating the model would first require the creation of instances of those classes.
Then the processes that would run across those instances.
The key attributes amongst all the attributes in those classes would appear to me to be around:
a. Decsision to save or spend [including borrow]
b. Capacity to save or spend
The impact of saving and spending on the next interation of a and b
So pulling all that together:
Players:
Individuals
Business_Folk
Government_Folk
Bank_Folk
Roles:
Regulate
Produce_And_Sell
Buy
Save_And_Invest
Events:
Personal_Income_Wages
Personal_Income_Interest
Business_Income_Sales
Business_Income_Interest
Create_Inventory
Incur_Business_Expenses
Create_Money
Lets set the model with:
Resolution of one day [all events can only fire once a day and consequences either play through in 0 [same day] or more days.]
Players:
Individuals -> Ind_001 to Ind_100
Business_Folk -> Bus_01 to Bus_10
Bank_Folk -> Bnk_01
Government_Folk -> Gov_01
In terms of the event smarts lets set all players with the same attributes and thus the same interactions with event algorithms.
And as far as the numbers are concerned to get it setup with some kind of solid footing lets start with:
* Business Profit Margin: 10%
* Products Sold Inventory to Service Ratio: 1 to 1 [that is 50% will need business to commit resources before opening the doors each day]
* Time To Build Inventory: 1 Day
* Basis for determing inventory for tomorrows sales: Todays sales
* Personal Income: 90% of sales.
* Deposits Business To Personal Ratio: 1 to 1
* Deposits Beginning: 10% of sales
* Regulation Multiplier: 100%
* Personal invest to spend: 1 to 9
So lets put the total sales for the economy at $4,680,000 per year.
This means:
Daily business profit: $1282.19 [10% of $4,680,000/365]
Per business: $128.22
Inventory Bought For Next Day: $5,769.86
Per business: $576.99
Daily Personal Income: $11,539.73
Per individual: $115.40
Deposits Bal: $468,000.00
Business Dep: $234,000.00
Per business: $23,400.00
Personal Dep: $234,000.00
Per person: $2,340.00
Bank Loans: $0.00
% Products Would Use Savings: 20%
Books:
Bal Sheet:
ASSETS, LIABILITIES, EQUITY
Assets – Liabilities + Equity [every set of accounts must maintain that]
P&L:
INCOME, EXPENSES
Net Prof is an EQUITY account – the link between P&L and Bal Sheet
$999.00 Debit [Increase Equity]
[$999.99] Credit [Decrease Equity]
Debit -> Positve Bal ASSET, EXPENSES; Negative Bal LIABILITIES, EQUITY, INCOME
Credit -> opposite to the above
Ind_001 to Ind_100:
Assets:
Cash At Bank $2340.00
Liabilities:
None
Equity:
My Equity [$2340.00]
Bus_01 to Bus_10
Assets:
Cash At Bank $23,400.00
Inventory $5769.86
Liabilities:
None
Equity:
Retained Earnings [$29,169.86]
Bnk_01
Assets:
Cash At Bank $468,000.00
Liabilities:
Deposits Held [$468,000.00]
Equity:
None
Gov_01
Assets:
Currency $468,000.00
Liabilities:
Currency [$468,000.00]
Equity:
None
Day 1 Runs:
Event: Personal Income – Wages
Sub Event: Business Pay Wages [Today + 0 Days]
THEN
Sub Event: Individual Receive Wages [Today + 0 Days]
THEN
Sub Event: Individual Buy Maximal Goods and Services
Call Calculate maximal Buy
Calculate Maxiaml Buy:
a. Calculate Goods and Services for sale with margin.
$12,821.92
b. If Personal Income Received in Sub Event “Individual Receive Wages Today” > % Products Would Use Savings * Goods and Services for sale with margin THEN Do Buy 20% Of Invenotry with Income ELSE Do Pay Out Of Savings Up Until No More Savings
[THAT IS PAY INDIVIDUALS, THEY BUY WITH INCOME AND SAVINGS 20%].
c. If after b income is left buy other goods and services up until all goods and services available for sale using 90% of income including leveraged income though if income buys all only use income (pay one days interest rather than price of goods if income doesn’t cover it)
Theres a few ideas folks I’ll whack it in here as idea fodder though am sure it is basic for you guys but at least I’ll know where to find it when I come to think about it again.
Not sure if all internally consistent.
Steve your not taking down your site anytime soon – are you?
Re #408. Thanks JKH,
You’ve very accurately summarised what I was doing with that model: it was modelling a composite “banking sector” (as well as firm sector, household sector) and all payments were made by transfers between accounts.
My distinction between ledger entries and money transfers relates to the difference between making a payment (firm sector transfers money to household sector to pay wages) and recording a financial transaction elsewhere (payment of interest as transfer from firm sector to banking sector is also recorded as a deduction from the debt, which had previously been compounded at the rate of interest on loans).
The “Bank Deposit” account is indeed the one through which interest payments are made–both loan and deposit interest payments–and this is one area where I could definitely benefit from your assistance in both account structure and labelling. I’ll get in touch about that once I get on to that part of the modelling for the book, which I am finally returning to working on in early February.
Re #409 SmokinJebus. Credit money is money created by the private banking system rather than by the government.
Re #410 Jason: looks like you’re setting out a multi-agent model in an object-oriented language, is that correct?
There is actually one such model extant, done in Java by Pascal Seppecher–a French school teacher I met at the otherwise fairly poor Dijon Money conference. Here’s a copy of a draft paper on it.
And don’t worry, this site will be around for many years.
Steve,
Once I’m back home I’ll print out some of the last posts especially from JKH and slowly digest them. They are invaluable. I would say that core issues related to macro-modelling have been at least defined.
So is credit money destroyed when the debt is repaid or not?
Anyway the battery in my netbook is getting flat…
http://www.news.com.au/business/australian-share-market-off-and-running/story-e6frfm1i-1225817945839
ummmm would anyone like to comment on this.
I recall some time ago individuals where charged (i cant remember the technical term for it) for talking up stocks to others online in chat rooms in attempt to make the stock surge so they could sell out and make a profit.
Why does pronouncements like this not come under the same category as that ?
there seems to me to be a huge disparity between this and the real world.
Correct me if i am wrong but didnt the latest US job figures show 85000 jobs lost but apprently this is less jobs lost than before there people think things are turning around.
Exactly what is the justification for this article to say the US is coming out of recession.
An isnt china raising interest rates to contain a property bubble that is on the verge right now.
How likely is it that china will go the way of Japan in that ?
Spooky2009,
There is a great divide between the bulls and the bears at the moment. For every bullish story there are equally bearish views out there.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/call-that-a-crisis-stand-by-for-the-worst-is-yet-to-come-20100108-lyzc.html
Opinion pieces are there to provoke thought and debate.
As to who is right and wrong only time will tell.
Some of you will probably like this article from yesterdays FT, titled “Ben Bernanke has learnt so little”
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/668ec428-fc87-11de-bc51-00144feab49a.html?referrer_id=yahoofinance&ft_ref=yahoo1&segid=03058&nclick_check=1
ummmm would anyone like to comment on this.
I recall some time ago individuals where charged (i cant remember the technical term for it) for talking up stocks to others online in chat rooms in attempt to make the stock surge so they could sell out and make a profit
Spooky2009
The charge is ‘making a false or misleading statement’. Some journalists have been prosecuted under this charge for the exact conduct you mention above. This isn’t to be confused with ‘insider trading’ where company CEO’s use insider knowledge prior to the release of market sensitive information to buy or sell shares.
Sounds like Morgan Stanley is taking a leaf out of Steve’s research.
” Morgan Stanley: The Aussie Dollar Is Wildly Overvalued, And Household Debt Is Enormous ”
http://www.businessinsider.com/morgan-stanley-the-aussie-dollar-is-wildly-overvalued-and-household-debt-is-enormous-2009-11
@spooky2009 415
“Correct me if i am wrong but didnt the latest US job figures show 85000 jobs lost but apprently this is less jobs lost than before there people think things are turning around.”
The US economy is like a river delta. It has many streams due to de-industrialization, deregulation, rampant speculation and utter neglect for the poor. Over 46 million Americans receive food stamps (15% of population). A figure that is not often reported is the amount of people who have left the job market.
http://www.businessday.com.au/business/world-business/us-employers-slash-jobs-in-december-20100109-lz9e.html
“The US economy shed 4.2 million jobs for the whole of 2009, according to the Labor Department’s survey of employers.”
“The department’s survey of households offered an even gloomier assessment of the job market, showing 661,000 people left the work force last month.”
“The report showed there were 929,000 “discouraged workers” who had given up looking for a job, up from 642,000 a year earlier.”
“The broadest measure of unemployment, which includes discouraged workers and those working part-time for economic reasons, rose to 17.3 per cent from 17.2 per cent in the prior month.”
Because of the multi stream phenomenon, particular sectors in America is experiencing deflation, inflation, recovery, recession, mild depression and depression. This is after the biggest stimulus ever. If the US government continues with stimulus to attempt to create a recovery, they will have to take on another 10T in debt (if such a thing is possible) or raise government taxes which will destroy growth prospects.
“Exactly what is the justification for this article to say the US is coming out of recession.”
To propel the myth of a coherent recovery.
“An isnt china raising interest rates to contain a property bubble that is on the verge right now.
How likely is it that china will go the way of Japan in that ?”
China is embracing asset inflation (a fast expanding bubble) at a level that the world has never seen.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=aKubmz5QQxuw
“China’s economy may grow as much as 16 percent this year with accelerating inflation and the risk of a property bubble unless policy makers reduce stimulus measures, government researchers said today.”
If the Chinese property bubble burst (note above “risk of a property bubble”), this will cause a greater impact than the GFC (Stage 1) since it will cause a domino affect to ripple around the world.
To all the deflationists and my Prechter loving friend BTB,
The bottom in gold is now in, both the $US and $AUS gold price.If you have any spare toilet paper now is the time to exchange it for real money.Prechter is once again a fool and yet people continue to listen to him, unbelievable.
Gold is NOW heading for $1650 US as i said last year.You will not be disappointed with real money and the monster move higher is upon us NOW.
I said that i would post on occasions when i thought that the most oppurtune time to load up on gold was close, and i am saying that we are at that moment now.
There is no top in gold coming anytime soon and you can believe me when i say that we are at a similar point when i called the bottom in June 2009 and made the incredible call of $1224 by November 2009.That call was correct to the dollar months in advance and truth be told i could have made that call in Jan 2009, that is when i knew.
Please do not flame away at me as i am trying to help as i have said on many occasions before.I will be proven correct again this time, the dollar is toast and heading much much lower.
BUY GOLD.
Elliotwave,
Gold has been a pretty bad long term investment if you look at this $US dollar gold chart:
http://www.the-privateer.com/chart/usgmonth.html
Gold is strong because the $US dollar is weak. If the $US dollar reverses course, it might be gold that is in the toilet.
And why are you so keen on gold? Do you own the physical stuff, own a gold mine or have some gold shares / options / futures?
You have got to kidding right?
A wise man told me the 70,s was the dress rehearsal for what is the main act about to play out in front of your eyes.
The dollar is gone and if you do not believe that then ask the Zimbabweans and Mugabe what path they took.
The hyperinflation solution to the debt problem was chosen by the administration and that is what they are doing.No other financial institution will be allowed to collapse.The FED has guaranteed the world by printing money, how can you not see this?
Dubai will be given all the money they need to hyperinflate theirs and the worlds problems away.Too bad if you have any savings or wealth, but then again the big hitters in this world now what is occuring and are making plans to avoid the coming hyperinflationary depression brought to you by the OTC derivative trillionaires.Yes there is trillionaires in this world and they can thank the $US dollar money printers.
BUY GOLD
Zulu,
Edward Chancellor (EC) is absolutely right. It is using econometrics to “fog” the real issues: pretense of knowledge. Decades of econometrics have led to no advance in real economic understanding whatsoever. As EC pointed out: “The fact these models were of no use in forecasting the financial crisis is conveniently overlooked.”
The sort of pseudo-research that is contained in Bernanke’s cited paper by Dokko et al. is quite nauseating. The researchers know well how to cover themselves by statements (p. 48) such as: “It may be difficult to be sure about the presence of a bubble in real time, and given our limited understanding of bubbles, uncertainty also surrounds the size of the effect of macroprudential regulation on a bubble.” In other words, they don’t know what they are talking about and they assume that no one else does either. That gives them the right to speculate.
The world is not a safe place while idiots are in charge.
Elliotwave,
Gold has lost approximately 25% in value in $AUD over the past 12 months, and has barely broken even since your parroting of another’s call in June. Hardly the great investment that you continually claim.
JKH et al, why can’t a pure credit economy be implemented simply by having the central bank advance credit as required at overnight discount windows etc?
In the case where a large amount of excess reserves are neutralised by paying interest on them so that a floor under the overnight rate emerges regardless of reserve volumes it seems that this is in fact a credit economy in all but name, since rates are NOT set by the scarcity or otherwise of ‘money’ (or in MMT terms, the net financial assets of the private sector).
The only thing remaining then is to delete the concept of paper cash and we’re done. Now everything is credit and borrower and lender of last resort remains the government. The amount of credit it advances to the private sector would be determined by public policy.
Some people might not view this as a pure credit economy due to government involvement but in theory I would say that the CB could be privatised. The system as a whole could not then go bust since misallocation of credit will simply result in negative nominal rates obtaining in the interbank market overnight.
This a very educational discussion, thanks for posting that. In my view the U.S. dollar remains in a lot of trouble because the Fed is now caught in a position where it cannot withdraw the stimulus or stop the money printing without severely damaging the economy. So in my opinion one of the few ways for people to protect themselves from this fiat currency debasement to continue to add to gold positions when possible. And I recently came across an article titled “Canadian Gold Stocks Rally as Gold Price Opens 2010 Higher” at http://www.goldalert.com/ which discusses the outlook for a bunch of gold-related sectors, including several gold mining companies based in Canada that have benefited and should continue to benefit from the actions of the Federal Reserve.
Scepticus,
I don’t know if a central bank can have a role in a pure credit economy. It will just be a “Clearing House Inter-Bank Payments System” and do not know if it makes sense for CHIPS to lend
The currency we use in the Govt+Private money system is the central bank liability.
Scepticus,
Quite a good point, IMO.
You’re talking about a configuration where central bank assets are non government sector liabilities, matched by an equivalent amount of central bank liabilities that are assets held by the non government sector.
When you consolidate these positions alone (i.e. without the rest of the government sector), you effectively combine – a non government financial asset position with the government sector – with – a government financial asset position with the non government sector – which both netted again (assets against liabilities for each sector) results in a zero net (or “net net”) financial asset position for both sectors with each other.
If you move from that point and then assume that there is also a zero cumulative government deficit, the zero net position becomes comprehensive.
It takes a zero cumulative government deficit position, including exclusively non government assets on the books of the central bank, in order for your example to be conceivable.
So then you have a zero net financial asset configuration for the non government sector, even though some of its assets may consist of what are normally considered government fiat liabilities such as central bank reserves and currency.
In essence, the government sector has neutralized the fiat power of these liabilities by creating them through the acquisition of non government sector assets, as opposed to creating them by running a budget deficit.
You then go the further step of eliminating currency and privatizing the central bank, etc., which sort of galvanizes the zero net condition, but is not really necessary to achieve it.
It’s the cumulative government deficit question that becomes critical for the net financial asset configuration. The central bank is just a balance sheet gear in the works for that condition. MMT puts great emphasis on the cumulative deficit condition for purposes of aggregate demand management, and assumes that the central bank asset position normally is just an effective internal transfer of funds from the bank to the government treasury – i.e. that the central bank liability position is one of several conduits for cumulative deficit financing.
But it’s a very interesting point you raise, because there’s a distinction between the cumulative government deficit condition and the presence of fiat money. What you’ve shown really is that fiat money can exist at least technically without a cumulative deficit and with a zero net (or “net net”) financial asset configuration.
In other words, it’s technically possible for fiat money to exist within a horizontal money configuration, at least on a net basis. The net vertical interface is net zero if there is no cumulative budget deficit. It just means the central bank invests in private sector assets. It becomes a risk swap, as opposed to a cumulative net financial asset offering. Interestingly, at the margin, that’s what the Fed has been doing – swapping excess reserves for credit extended to the private sector (although arguably MBS in particular could be consolidated with the public sector).
That’s my interpretation. I’m winging this a bit. Credentialed MMT’ers such as Scott Fullwiler, or Steve K. as a circuitist, might interpret it differently. I don’t know, although I don’t necessarily think so. (The question is right at the interface between the MMT net financial asset interpretation and Steve’s current focus on the endogenous money system on its own. It’s also somewhere on the borderline between fiscal policy and monetary policy.)