Party like it’s New Year’s Eve 1930
I recommend that you finish the year with a look at the News from 1930 blog, which is providing some “year in review” commentary on 1930 now–including these details on the market highs and lows. Obviously some things were much worse in 1930 than today–notably industrial production and the stock market:
Market highs and lows:
Dow industrial average high of 294.07 Apr. 17; low 157.51 Dec. 16. Rail average high of 157.94 Mar. 29; low 91.65 Dec. 16. Utility average high of 108.62 Apr. 12; low 55.14 Dec. 16.
Market value of NYSE-listed stocks high of $76.1B Apr. 1; low $53.3B Nov. 30.
Dow bond average high of 97.70 Oct. 1; low 92.83 Dec. 17.
Production highs and lows:
Daily oil production high of 2.722M barrels Feb. 22; low 2.127M barrels Dec. 27, lowest since July 1926.
Steel production in March was yearly high of 4.300M tons; low 2.234M Nov. 30.
Rail freight loadings high of 989,504 cars Aug. 30; low 702,085 Nov. 29 (vs. 1929 high 1,203,139, low 798,682).
Reflections
One clear factor stands out about 2009: though the vast majority of neoclassical economists (and the politicians they advise) entered the Global Financial Crisis in denial that it could even happen, by late 2008 they were in panic mode about what it could forebode. Ed Lazear, who was head of Bush’s Council of Economic Advisers from 2006-2008, gave a strong sense of just how extreme that panic was when he spoke at the Australian Economists Conference in September of this year–and the Economic Report of the President (which he submitted from 2007 till 2009) provide an interesting history of just how little idea conventional economists had that a crisis was on its way.
At the beginning of 2007, the President’s Council of Economic Advisers were confidently predicting that unemployment would remain constant in 2007, and rise only slightly in subsequent years:
A year later–at the beginning of 2008–they were only slightly less cheerful:
Even as 2009 commenced, they were still unaware of just how bad the crisis would be. The forecast below was made using data up till November 10 2008, and the forecasts are for the end of the nominated year. So the President’s Economic Advisers told Obama–on his arrival at America’s helm in February 2009–that unemployment at the end of 2009 would be … 7.7 percent:
That forecast wrong by 2.3 percent as of October 2009–even after a slight recovery:
By 2009 the biggest government stimulus packages in human history were in full swing. Australia’s Prime Minister Kevin Rudd estimated that these amounted to spending 18 percent of GDP over 3 years from September 2007 till September 2010.
As a result of these packages, the economic outcome for 2009 was far less painful than non-neoclassical economists like myself expected. I had surmised that Australian unemployment would top 9 percent by year’s end 2009–instead it is 5.7%. Unemployment in the USA has apparently started to stabilise at 10%, when I expected it to be above 13% by now.
So the government stimulus packages have, in the short term, worked. I’ll consider what might happen next further down, but I want to emphasise something here: this is as much a contradiction of standard neoclassical economic theory as the GFC was in the first place. Not only does neoclassical theory not allow that events like the GFC can occur, it also argues that government policy cannot have a beneficial impact upon the economy–all it can do is increase the rate of inflation.
The actual reasons for this belief are arcane, but this choice quote from leading neoclassicals Thomas Sargent and Neil Wallace puts the dominant neoclassical case in a nutshell:
In this system, there is no sense in which the authority has the option to conduct countercyclical policy. To exploit the Phillips Curve [a relationship between unemployment and inflation], it must somehow trick the public. But by virtue of the assumption that expectations are rational, there is no feedback rule that the authority can employ and expect to be able systematically to fool the public. This means that the authority cannot expect to exploit the Phillips Curve even for one period. Thus, combining the natural rate hypothesis with the assumption that expectations are rational transforms the former from a curiosity with perhaps remote policy implications into an hypothesis with immediate and drastic implications about the feasibility of pursuing countercyclical policy.’ (“Rational Expectations And The Theory Of Economic Policy”, Journal of Monetary Economics, Vol. 2 (1976) pp. 177-78; emphases added)
Whoops: suddenly in 2008, economists who believed that went straight into “Keynesian” pump-priming mode. They have become “born again Keynesians”–though their knowledge of Keynes is scant to say the least, since prior to 2009, neoclassical economists had driven all consideration of Keynes out of academic curricula.
Forecasts
Now that government action has saved the economy in the short term, the same economists who used to argue that it could do nothing of the sort are expecting the resumption of “business as usual” growth. Ed Lazear himself, in September 2009, was expressing (without much conviction) the view that it was feasible for the US economy to grow at 5% in 2010–on the basis that the data showed that “the bigger the fall, the higher the rebound”. A statistical argument to that effect formed part of his 2009 Report:
So far, the recovery is not going according to plan. What was initially seen as a strong sign that the V-shaped recovery was underway–the 3.5% growth rate in the September quarter–has since been revised down to a mere 2.2% growth. The initially estimated rate was just more than enough to make a dent in unemployment; the revision is still below the 3% level that is seen as being needed to keep unemployment from rising.
I base my forecasts, not on regressions, but what I regard as the underlying causal mechanisms in the economy, which are well captured in Minsky’s Financial Instability Hypothesis. The key factor here is the ratio of private debt to GDP, built up on the basis of an inherently cyclical economy, and overlaid by a financial system that has a strong tendency to fund “Ponzi” speculative behaviour rather than real investment.
On that basis, the real game of the GFC–deleveraging by the private sector–has only just begun in the USA (and has been delayed in Australia by government policy, as I discussed in my previous post). We are just at the peak of the biggest debt bubble in human history. It dwarfs the level of debt reached in the 1930s largely because conventional economists like Greenspan and Bernanke allowed a “natural” debt bubble that should have burst in 1987 to keep going for two more decades:
“Business as usual” growth since the end of WWII has been underwritten by a rising level of debt (right from 1945 in the USA’s case, and from the mid-1960s in Australia’s):
This was always going to lead to a crisis when the debt-financing load became too great, and the asset bubbles financed by this Ponzi Lending finally burst. The government rescues of 2009 have clearly re-ignited this bubble in the stock market, giving us the longest running and biggest bear market rally in history:
Whether that rally can continue–and “business as usual” growth resume in the real economy–is the moot point for 2010. The rally, though impressive, has still only taken the market back to 25 percent below its peak in early October 2007.
My expectation is that, some time during 2010, the disconnect between the financial markets’ euphoric expectations and the hard reality of a deleveraging private sector will bring the optimism of both “born again Keynesian” neoclassical economists and the markets to an end. Growth will not resume once the stimulus packages are removed, since deleveraging will then assert itself in the absence of government stimulus. Falling debt will subtract from growth, as it once added to it, and unemployment will start to rise again.
I expect that governments will react to this as they did in 2009–by turning on the stimulus packages once more, while continuing to ignore the private debt levels that caused the crisis in the first place. They will “turn Japanese”, to coin a phrase–since this is the same thing the Japanese government has been doing for two decades since its Bubble Economy burst at the end of 1989.
This process may repeat itself two or three times before serious attention is finally turned to the Ponzi-dominated financial sector’s parasitic impact on the real economy. But for now, the parasites are clearly still in control of the host.
That’s it for the serious stuff! Sydney is a great city in which to welcome in the New Year, and I’ll happily be doing that at a swish restaurant in Darling Harbour tonight. But before I go, here’s a quick personal retrospective on 2009.
Should old acquaintance be forgot…
Many thanks to the many bloggers who’ve joined the site (there are now over 3,000 members), and to the smaller number (about 50 I think) who regularly post comments. I’ve learnt a lot from following the debate, though the sheer volume and my “real job” work commitments get in the way of replying to all requests for feedback.
There are also a remarkable number of readers around the world: the site now has about 50,000 unique readers each month, with a substantial additional number following via RSS feeds. On New Year’s Day I’ll publish the final count for the number of readers, but the current tally (as of 9.39am on New Year’s Eve) is shown in the table below. It seems likely that December will set a new record of over 53,000 unique readers.
Toil and Trouble
It’s been a productive year for me in terms of research. Against all expectations, I managed to develop the monetary multisectoral model of production that has been an ambition for over a decade–under the pressure of a research grant from the CSIRO that had a very tight deadline. Early in the New Year I’ll post a pair of videos outlining both my model and the CSIRO’s biophysical model–I simply haven’t had time to do so as yet.
I’ve also published more than ten papers–a ridiculous tally for one year:
- (2009) “The “Credit Tsunami”: Explaining the inexplicable with debt and deleveraging”, in Friedman, G., Moseley, F. & Sturr, C., The Economic Crisis Reader, Dollars and Sense, New York, pp. 44-51.
- (2009), “The Global Financial Crisis, Credit Crunches and Deleveraging“, Journal Of Australian Political Economy, No 64, pp. 18-32.
- (2009), “The Confidence Trick”, The Australasian Accounting Business & Finance Journal, May, 2009.
- (2009), “Household Debt—the final stage in an artificially extended Ponzi Bubble”, Australian Economic Review, Vol. 42 No. 3, pp. 347-57.
- (2009). “Bailing out the Titanic with a Thimble”, Economic Analysis & Policy, Vol. 39 No. 1, pp. 3-24.
- (2010). “The coming depression and the end of economic delusion”, in Steven Kates (ed.),Macroeconomic Theory and its Failings: Alternative Perspectives on the Global Financial Crisis, Edward Elgar, Cheltenham, UK, pp. 127-142.
- (2009) “The dynamics of the monetary circuit”, in Jean-François Ponsot and Sergio Rossi (eds.), The Political Economy of Monetary Circuits: Tradition and Change, Palgrave, London, pp. 161-187.
- (2009), “Warum die Standard-Theorie des Unternehmens nicht mehr unterrichtet werden Darf”, in Luderer, B. (ed.), Die Kunst des Modellierens (The Art of Modelling), Vieweg+Teubner Verlag, Wiesbaden, pp. 179-194. (English draft here)
- (2009), “A pluralist approach to microeconomics”, in Reardan, J. (ed.), The Handbook of Pluralist Economics Education, Routledge, London, pp. 120-149.
- (2009), “Mathematics for pluralist economists”, in Reardan, J. (ed.), The Handbook of Pluralist Economics Education, Routledge, London, pp. 149-167.
- (2009), “Keynes’s ‘revolving fund of finance’ and transactions in the circuit”, in Wray, R. and Forstater, M., (eds.), Keynes and Macroeconomics after 70 Years, Edward Elgar, Cheltenham, pp. 259-278.
The 11th paper is awaiting referees’ reports (“Solving the Paradox of Monetary Profits“), but will be available as an online discussion paper on Monday January 4th in the new and very innovative journal Economics.
The number of conferences I’ve spoken at is even more ridiculous: 44 in all, about 33 of which were public seminars with the remainder being academic conferences.
I also wrote 10 new lectures for a new subject Behavioural Finance. I’ll add three more next year when I take the subject again in August 2010:
Behavioural Finance
- Reconsidering Consumer Behaviour (PDF)
- Reconsidering Producer Behaviour (PDF)
- Reconsidering Behaviour in Finance (PDF)
- How the Data Killed CAPM (PDF)
- The Fractal Markets Hypothesis (PDF)
- The Inefficient Markets Hypothesis (PDF)
- Experiments in Economic & Financial Behaviour (to be posted in 2010)
- The statistics on money and implications for finance and economics (PDF)
- The endogenous money perspective (PDF)
- Modelling Endogenous Money I (PDF)
- Modelling Endogenous Money II (PDF)
- The Global Financial Crisis (to be posted in 2010)
- Alternative nonlinear methods to model financial behaviour (to be posted in 2010)
New Year’s Resolutions
Some of these are necessities:
- Establish a blog for the walk from Parliament House to Kosciousko
Others are vital:
- Begin a discussion forum linked to Debtwatch
- Start solid work on my book Finance and Economic Breakdown for Edward Elgar Publishers
And some are easy to achieve, but hard to do:
- Spend less time on the blog so that I have more time for the book
The last task is hard to do because, of course, I enjoy this blog. But I spend too much time on it already, let alone with the added task of writing a book. But ultimately I have to provide a book-length treatment of Minsky’s theories (and the data of the GFC) if I’m going to help cause a permanent shift in economic theory and policy. So I have to force myself to spend less time on this blog.
Happy New Year everyone. 2010 looks like being just as exciting as was 2009.











December 31st, 2009 at 11:24 am
Steve we may see some surprises in the numbers if governments start to change the way they stimulate the economy. For example here are some back of the envelope calculations on how to fund the National Broadband Network with personal debt increasing – but for productive purposes. (This sort of debt is good debt not bad debt. A bit like good cholesterol helps get rid of the problem caused by bad cholesterol)
The National Broadband Network is estimated to cost about $40 Billion dollars. If we have to pay interest on the $40Billion and repay the money in half the expected life of the asset then finance costs will take up 60% of the money earned from the asset.
However, if we gave everyone in Australia a $2000 interest free loan to buy shares in the NBN then each family of four would pay $600 per year to have telephone and broadband connections and would receive a dividend return of $250 per year for the first 40 years which would rise to $500 per year after 40 years.
In other words we can rejig finances so that the people who pay for goods and services get the profits from those goods and services (or lower prices) instead of the money being syphoned off to so called financial investors and services.
New public infrastructure that is financed through the banks transfers most of the future profits from that infrastructure to the financiers immediately – even though their only service is to supply the loan money – they take no risk on the money unless the State defaults.
I have seen estimates that the cost to the Australian Economy for Financial Services of this and similar mechanisms is of the order of 20%+ of our total economic activity. It should be about 1% max. for the value of the service it provides. Imagine what we can do with that amount of money if we put it to productive use. While it is technically simple to fix there will be considerable resistance from those who currently pocket the 19%.
However, if governments suddenly wake up and get rid of the advisors from the finance sector we could see 2010 play out in a different way from 1930.
December 31st, 2009 at 11:27 am
Happy 2010 Steve,
Here’s a suggestion for you. Ever read “The Four-Hour Workweek” by Tim Ferris. It talks about time management tools/ideas to help you be more productive and have more free time. It’s the first book like this that’s NOT a scam.
What will your boss say about having an outsourcing assistant in India doing some of your research
? I’m not responsible…
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December 31st, 2009 at 11:43 am
Steve, I wonder id all us bloggers are on ASIO’s watchlist considering our constant criticism of the Reserve Bank and Government stimulus spending.
If we are , you can take that as a badge of honour.
December 31st, 2009 at 11:44 am
Have been enjoying your site long enough that I thought it was time to “join” – appreciate your work and agree that governments (all over) will probably dump money into the system through two or three more financial crises before any real attempt at change is made. Wishing you a Healthy 2010 –
gary / canada
December 31st, 2009 at 11:55 am
Thanks for all your efforts to educate us, the masses in 2009.
Best to you for the new year.
December 31st, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Hi Steve,
Happy new year!
Thanks for all the valuable info and insight. It makes a lot of sense to me.
ASX 200 will head towards 2700 support before heading lower. Whether the move below 2700 happens in 2010 or is delayed ’til 2011, that’s a coin toss IMO. There’s one prediction. Here’s a few more:
1. RBA will begin lowering rates again at some point in 2010.
2. Banks in Oz will find it very hard to roll debt and raise fresh debt in late 2010.
3. Panic and fear will return. The MSM will turn “negative” again.
4. Prudentsaver will come back to this site as a regular poster again. Old timers know what that means.
5. SMEs will continue to burn through their capital (in hope) heading towards oblivion in 2011.
One thing that the GFC has planted deeper than ever in the minds of ordinary Australians is that “buy and hold” is the only philosophy to live by. Whether they owned shares or houses, 2008 and 2009 convinced them that they should never sell. Always hold, prices will always come back. I expect this ideology to be wrenched away from people in 2010 or 2011. As this belief is shattered for a generation or two, the pain, anguish and personal blame will be horrible to watch.
on that note happy new year everyone!
December 31st, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Steve and fellow bloggers,
All the best for the New Year. BTB I hope you are wrong about 2010 but my gut says you are right.
The site stats tell the story. To paraphrase one of Max Keiser’s oft repeated phrases to Stacey, “Steve, tell the people”.
December 31st, 2009 at 12:38 pm
cscoxk — the NBN has no business case and none has been offered. Such a financing structure as you propose does not really solve the difficulty of its implementation. The only business value suggested is that government services underpinned by tax, not private business will, prosper and though that will be an economic result, it is not close the good cholesterol your metaphor indicates, nor over the time frame and in the technological structure expected.
Thanks to Steve and all for information, commentary and links.
Declaring Happy New Year seems ironic on this forum, but may everyone’s contrarion, positive and even pessimistic futures materialise in 2010
December 31st, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Steve,
Best wishes for the new year.
Chuck
December 31st, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Thank you Steve
I’m exhausted just READING all that you achieved for this year – ‘Toil and Trouble’!
I learn so much from this site, and I wish all the fellow bloggers and readers all the best for the coming year. The discussions have been so useful and enlightening and I’d especially mention BTB, bb, TITINT, Philip, angophera, mahaish (always a light touch!), debtjunkies, The Outback Oracle, Brightspark1, al49er…I could go on and on.
Cheers to all!
December 31st, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Bullturnedbear,
You might be interested in the following video of Bob Prechter. Bob Prechter is head of Elliott Wave International and has a good track record for getting it right. In the video made 5 Nov 2009 he states we are very near the market top and he expects a downward move at least as big as the last one. He his prediction is not only based on Elliott waves, but also on the high level of market confidence, which he sees as a contrarian indicator.
Personally, I think we might be there now. If you look at the AUD you will see it has already started to turn down, so it could be just a few more weeks or even days before the stockmarkets follow. The rounded tops that the stockmarkets are currently making will not make it obvious the markets have turned and will catch out a lot of people.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1319011626&play=1
December 31st, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Hi Steve and a happy new year, this is my fist post, it’s been fascinating reading your blog over the last few months, espcially with the effort you have gone to proving actual data and graphical information.
I have a question about the use of the Debt to GPD ratio. One can imagine at low interest rates, interest only loans or long loan periods that high dept isn’t a problem/stress indicator as long as you can service it. Dept could even be passed intergenerationally forever by persons/desendants or firms, as long as they earn an income forever. So that ratio without additional information, like your Debt/GDP vrs
interest real rate chart, doesn’t indicate possible tipping points. (I wonder do your models attempt to predict real interest rates and inflation? If so what’s the odds of our economy passing a tipping point in the next 5 years?)
Why not look at total loan/dept repayments to GDP, can one get data on that? Why wouldn’t such a ratio be more usefull than debt/GDP for showing financal stress or potential tipping points? Since it shows how much income is left for providing aggregate demand. If all we have left leaves us living off “bread and water” the ecomony is in for a serious self-reinforcing drop one would think.
For people interested in learning more about a future economics theory that actually explains reality, I can’t more strongly reccomend Eric D. Beinhocker “The Origin of Wealth: evolution, complexity and the radcal remaking of economics” 2006. An excellently written book on the past
and future of economics. It’s aimed at general readership so one doesn’t have to have formal economics training, and some of it is viewable on google books, so check it out. Also for a economics intro Paul Heyne “The Economic Way of thinking” and Samuel Bowles “Understanding Capitalism” are both great and actually a fun read!
I’m curious Steve, if you saw the crisis coming did you short the market like John Paulson (http://www.smh.com.au/business/thanks-a-billion-20080418-2749.html) did, and make $100,000’s? And if not why not?
December 31st, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Steve ,
I’ll miss your contributions to the blog , but if it means you get the new book done quicker , I’m all for it.
Post-mortems are informative , but don’t resuscitate the corpse. The global economy is in need of good diagnosticians now , while it still has a pulse.
Happy New DECADE to all !
December 31st, 2009 at 2:40 pm
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/credit-demand-slows-to-17-year-low-economists/story-e6frf7ko-1225815015200
Whilst business credit levels grind to a halt personal credit levels (namely home loans) keep rising! There is a serious misconnect here……or a natural lag?
December 31st, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Hi Jim,
Thanks mate, I do read what Prechter says. I have also read a few of his books.
Pr
Unfortunately Prechter has been saying to go increasingly short since September. We’ll see if or when Prechter is right in due course.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:59 pm
“Alan Gresley” “….John Howard gutting pubic education”
Now there is a quote on which to end 2009.
(P.S. also don’t forget John Dawkins!)
Cheers all.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Steve, last question for 2009. If governments undertake another round of stimulas again by borrowing, would this not increase interest rates. Reason being the high demand by governments for what limited funds are out there(ie high demand for money-limited supply of money forcing up rates).
Secondly, the increased risk investors of stimulas now face considering the failure of the first round of stimulas providing the bang for your buck that was originally promised. Surely investors who provide that stimulas money for goverments would now demand a higher interest rate considering the higher risk they now face.
Reserve Banks can do as they like with interest rates, but ultimately the market will price interest as we have just seen with Westpac.
Anyway, all the best for 2010 and para-phrasing Gough Whitlam, “May God save the Queen because nothing will save those neo-classicals”.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:42 pm
I’ve enjoyed following this site and Steve’s other work for a while now.
I watch MSM Fin commentators with incredulity these days as they happily ignore things like the debt to GDP and paint blueskys ahead forever as if there is not ever any limit to the amount of money that can be borrowed.
Here is a good article about the US debt problem.
http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2009/12/december-30-2009-year-for-plan-b.html
Happy New Year
December 31st, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Yes Steve, happy new year to all comment posters.
The rally in the dollar and the problems for other currencies prove what we have been saying and that is all currencies will continue to fall vs. gold. The impetus for the dollar rally originates as usual with the government and is added to by the disarray in the economies worldwide, particularly in Europe. One of the things central banks have never learned is that financial engineering only works for a short duration, after that the problem worsens.
Even the world’s strongest currencies — the Swiss, Canadian, Aussie and Norwegian — are only holding their own versus gold. The reason why is almost all central banks have done the same thing and that is create money and credit recklessly at the behest of the US government.
The US and British financial systems are insolvent. The euro is under severe pressure, because of problems in Greece, Spain, Ireland, Portugal and Italy, and every other central bank is jockeying for position via competitive devaluation.
The public may not notice it but the situation is really chaotic. As you can see, the US is never allowed a level playing field, but that is part of what comes with being the international reserve currency. Banks in Britain, Europe and the US continue to take losses — sometimes severe losses.
There is no intermediation going on with the dollar. Its rally is founded on manipulation. I suspect in the future we will have an interesting phenomenon and that is a fall in the dollar, pound and the euro, as gold moves higher as the only viable alternative.
The world is going to be shocked when the euro collapses. It won’t happen overnight. It will take a year or two, but it has a good chance of happening. The US dollar cannot and will not for some time to come be a safe haven for wealth. That is because the dollar and the US economy have been deliberately destroyed.
The flight into gold that we have seen has not been sparked by anticipation of inflation, but by a flight caused by a lack of confidence and trust in central banks. If other major governments have monetary problems they cannot be buyers of US Treasuries. They will have to be sellers of dollars. That will drive the dollar lower, further reduce the demand for US funding, force the Fed to further monetise and create more inflation. That in turn drive the dollar lower, but more importantly it will give gold a life of its own.
There is going to be a devaluation of the dollar no matter what people think, or want to think in their world of denial and fantasy.
> RJW
December 31st, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Steve and all,
I think you will find your interview on BBC5 is actually 8PM London time. Which puts it at 7am Sydney time tomorrow morning with a repeat at 3pm (4am London time).
The program synopsis is here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/fivelive/
A direct link to the broadcast is here;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00pgpkc
I will post this also on the Max Keiser Blog topic also. Apologies to all if this has already been corrected.
December 31st, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Happy New Year Steve and all Debtdeflation readers and contributors.
As an old PK economist my best wishes for the new year.
I doubt that the year will be linear or easily predictable, there should be quite a few unexpected consequences, especially for heterodox economists.
Just about the only phrase I can consider a universal constant is the following from Heraclitus.
‘Nothing endures but change’
I look forward to seeing what unfolds. I am sure your analysis will provide the meat and veggies of what will happen in 2010. It is just that other factors will add some couscous to the meal!
December 31st, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Ref 21
Sorry — the links are ass about.
December 31st, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Steve,
congrats on a productive year, and thankyou for all of your efforts on this blog. (you should look into advertising on this site – could help pay for your research).
Happy new year
December 31st, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Steve,
A quick point on your post.
I think you should stop quoting this KRudd number. 18% of GDP of goverment stimulus over three years….bollocks (he wouldn’t be misquoting data to justify the goverments waste & stupidity, would he?).
The real stimulus number (sourced from the IMF) is around 1.4% for the G20 in 2009.
http://www.brookings.edu/reports/2009/03_g20_stimulus_prasad.aspx
Also, in the furture you should look at the performce of the Dow (1930 vs 2009) in terms of Gold. The rally this year has not been that good after adjusting for currency.
December 31st, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Steve and all,
Happy New Year everyone – what does not necessarily mean increasing consumption by sinking deeper into the debt. I believe that these who visited this site may have already learned enough to avoid certain traps in their personal life.
I hope that even in the worst case scenario the stability of the societies will not be endangered in the Western countries.
In my opinion the current formula of “blog” has been proven to be a great success. I am not so sure whether a forum with threads could actually win if this blog is enhanced with some indexing and a search facility. I know that discussion about certain topics currently goes in circles as new members join and some old drop off but if multiple separate threads are created then we may lose our focus.
An example of a successful and popular community forum (for white water and other “extreme” sports) is
http://www.adventurepro.com.au
but it simply serves a different purpose. I don’t think this formula would be much better than the current single stream of comments.
Steve, I believe that your time spent on running this blog and on educating people is not wasted. You will be vindicated here in Australia even it has to take a few more years. You will not have to extract money from internet adverts on this blog (just imagine mortgage brokers advertising on this page!)
December 31st, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Happy New Year Mr Keen. Thanks for the blog and the access it gives to your thinking. Hope you are enjoying your night.
W le B
10.59 am The Ribble Valley, England
December 31st, 2009 at 10:48 pm
One thing I have not been able to work out is how Australia’s economy is straining under a 170% private debt to GDP ratio, yet the US economy finally tipped at 350%? What is the cause of the difference?
December 31st, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Philip,
With 5.7% unemployment & no technical recession plus a strong housing and equity market, what make you think the australian economy is straining at all?
January 1st, 2010 at 12:01 am
bb,
As Steve has pointed out before the GFC, the private debt burden (interest payments) were mounting ever higher. The three stimuli (rate cuts, government spending and FHOG) has continued the ponzi behavior of the economy. The illusion of wealth provided by the property bubble will make the debt burden seem manageable for the moment.
Bubbles burst because the debt burden becomes unmanageable for a nation, aka straining. At the time of the GFC, the private debt to GDP ratio was 170% in Australia and should’ve collapsed, and it was 350% in the US, and should’ve collapsed if it weren’t for the stimuli and bailouts.
January 1st, 2010 at 3:29 am
Happy New Year to Steve and fellow blog followers.
In my small time here since joining I have learn many things about economics. I have notice that many different people are commentators. From those from the Austrian School, the ones with an eastern philosophical view, a few people aware of those outargues conspiracies. I welcome the communist bloc perspective form ak, the clear insight of BullturnedBear and The Outback Oracle and many others.
When I first joined, I was having the to deal with continuous money crisis. This has stopped since on the 12th of December my wife received an inheritance. Now I’m planning future income streams while being a full time carer.
I see 2010 to 2011 as years of revolution. Not of violent but more a reflection on past mistakes and new way of living. The GFC stage 2 is going to effect many more people and it will take this impact on ones life to wake people up from their apathy and indifference. To make a living from the suffering or misfortune of other people is going to become unpopular.
Beware of world events. Some what seems like or talked as a failure will actually be a success and some what seems like or talked as a success will actually be a failure.
A video…, here is one from the past. I do think that Aldous Huxley is very aware of the who. He bypasses his own use of propaganda quite successfully.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGaYXahbcL4
January 1st, 2010 at 6:27 am
I studied Statistics 101 centuries ago (or so it feels to me). And, on top, I’ve never had to make a living out of statistics.
Having said that, it seems to me, the regression line Lazear fit would not have gotten good grades from a decent Statistics 101 teacher: it shows heteroskedasticity (the data points below the “average recession depth line” deviate from the line more than those above the “average recession depth line”); the regression line over-estimates the recovery for 3 of the 4 data points above the average recession depth; there are too few data points; and the R squared is not really impressive.
If there were more data points, maybe Lazear should have considered adding time as an independent variable.
But there may be one more problem: usually econometric textbooks don’t encourage fitting regression lines without a theoretical reason supporting them. Is there such a theory supporting this regression? I don’t know of any, but this might be just a product of my own ignorance.
January 1st, 2010 at 7:06 am
Thanks Steve for this wonderful blog. As an engineer I appreciate and fully understand the usage of differential-equations for your theory.
I’ve two comments and I would like to know if you have considered these factors:
1. Is it possible to maintain an equilibrium between public-debt and private-debt in order to sustain an economy and avoid boom or a bust?
2. Have you tried modeling lending for two purposes: first-type to firms for production-consumption purposes and second-type for speculation in asset-markets (stock & housing markets)? Maybe there is a correlation between these two types of lending and interest-rates.
Once again thanks for your insights.
Happy New Year
AK
January 1st, 2010 at 7:49 am
Hi bb,
Yes, I’ll take that on board (I think Rudd’s figure included some of the notional defences for the Federal Reserve).
And a currency-deflated DJIA is pretty flat, agreed.
January 1st, 2010 at 8:09 am
Hi mfo #18,
I’m a bit too hungover to attempt to explain this right now, but there’s a very good argument focusing on the mechanics of bond distribution that larger government bond issues tend to reduce interest rates. Remember we’re in an endogenous money world, not one with a fixed amount of money or a fiat-determined stock of money.
The pricing issue you mention in your second paragraph is a relevant issue however in a milieu of crisis.
January 1st, 2010 at 8:16 am
Hi Peter #13.
Both debt to GDP and debt times interest rate to GDP are relevant; I focus on the former partly because conventional economists ignore it. There is also a very big difference between owing 1% of your income and paying 200% interest on it and owing 200% of your income and paying 1% on it, even though the percentage of your income you need to service the debt is the same.
And I didn’t short the market for two simple reasons: (1) I’m an academic and my salary is comfortable but not huge and (2) my personal life’s been about as volatile as the economy for the last decade. For those reasons I didn’t have any spare cash to wager.
January 1st, 2010 at 8:21 am
Re Philip #28
Partly because the USA has been the centre of the Ponzi scheme and while it was operating, did very well out of it.
January 1st, 2010 at 8:23 am
Marco #32
Spot on! I made similar points on a blog post some time back–mainly focusing on the clear evidence of a time trend in the data. It’s shoddy work but typical of the “anything to make us feel better” reasoning neoclassicals applied once this crisis they didn’t see coming exploded in their faces.
January 1st, 2010 at 8:27 am
Welcome aboard goidcc (#33).
The answer is yes and yes. My 1995 Minsky paper included precisely that effect, though it was more a homeostatic balance than an equilibrium. And the paper Household Debt—the final stage in an artificially extended Ponzi Bubble includes non-productive debt as well as productive.
I’m working on a collated model right now for my trial run with nonlinear parameter estimation. If it works then I’ll post it on a blog here sometime in January.
January 1st, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Happy New Year to All,
For those who don’t trust the reliability of Govt stats:
http://economicedge.blogspot.com/
“Yesterday the total (US) state tax data was released for the third quarter. Do we find that sales tax data is matching the claimed increases in retail sales? NO.
Instead what we find is that State, Local Tax Revenues Decline 7%, according to the headline revenue data provided in the Wall Street Journal. But sales taxes declined a whopping 9% while incomes fell 12%! They also provide a state by state table showing that total tax collections nationwide are down 11% year over year. You simply cannot spin that positive, yet they try!”
Down 11% YOY with massive borrowing increases in the pipeline, a new wave of ARM* foreclosures and a CRE** trainwreck dead ahead!! Throw in a blank cheque announced for Fannie and Freddie a few days ago and a collapse in long bonds doesn’t seem so unlikely IMHO. Merde.
I would like to see the math that explains how the US as consumer of around 25% of the worlds output of “stuff” can remain on this trajectory without impacting everyone who supplies the “stuff”.
I am not suggesting that our fortunes are anything like 1:1 aligned with the US but surely, at some point, Australia must start to be impacted. After all we are a supplier of the raw materials used to make some of the “stuff”.
If the US stays in this “death spiral” who steps into their shoes?
For those who dislike acronyms:
*Adjustable Rate Mortgages
**Commercial Real Estate
January 1st, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Steve, I am a new member – I think the greatest Ponzi Scheme in Australia has been for thoroughbred horses [aka Dubai] – we are about to see it unwind at the Magic Millions Gold Coast January 6 – 12
January 1st, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Happy new year Steve.
Thanks for your efforts and the more to come.
I’m curious about that CSIRO’s biophysical model, is that going to help answer my bent on when there will be a limit to our expansionary economies?
Best of luck for all this year.
Cheers.
January 1st, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Yes it does Christopher–and using a database approach rather than modelling. I’ll post it in the next few days–once I get over last night’s hangover!
January 1st, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Steve, to add an Australian dimension to the “News from 1930″ blog as mentioned above, production of Holden cars in Adelaide fell from 34,000 vehicles per year prior to 1930 to 1651 vehicles per year in 1931.
January 1st, 2010 at 5:05 pm
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January 1st, 2010 at 5:25 pm
Hi Steve and fellow readers/commenters on the blog,
All the very best for 2010 to all.
angophera #40,
For me the big enlightening moment of 2009 was the exposure of the “phantom” buying of UST’s to the tune of $700bill by the Fed with no real discernible upset to markets.This to me speaks volumes on how heavily and successfuly manipulated the capital markets now are. I think it will take a very large shock now to unsettle markets as they were late 2008- early 2009.
My sense is the markets have now adjusted to the fact that the Fed is and will continue printing as many dollars are required to a) meet USG debt service obligations b) fund the US Administration’s massive spending plans and c) any other obligations the US may accrue. The gloves are off now and for those who choose not to join in with the team- well F.U.! Just like the Chinese who will print whatever they have to to maintain their USD peg, make work programs and prop up their imploding export sectors.
The Euroland, Japan and growing Chinese financial stresses only embolden the Fed and US Treasury now as they know the “competition” is looking decidedly dodgy. How ironic that the US could in fact be a “safehaven” in these screwed up times. But I don’t expect the USD to appreciate so much due mainly to sheer overwhelming weight of massive dollar printing that must be produced for the Fed to meet it’s Treasury purchase “obligations”.
Which , for now , leaves me rather undecided as to which way stocks, USD and commodities head from here as we start 2010. My sense though is that commodities and commodity stocks will ultimately strengthen independant of moves by the USD as they attract more buying seeking the assurance of “real things” and not just business models or paper financial instruments. In a sea of asset carnage, fraudulent accounting of all kinds, Govt intervention of historical proportions – standing above it all is the US Casino. Not very appetizing I must say.
January 1st, 2010 at 5:27 pm
BTB #7
Re your prediction: ‘ Prudentsaver will come back to this site as a regular poster again. Old timers know what that means’.
Ah yes, I think he used to make certain predictions like (shhh…elliotwave) on a different topic, but despite your pleas he/she never elaborated on how he came to his/her conclusions. Perhaps Prudentsaver is the older brother/sister??
January 1st, 2010 at 6:14 pm
A toast to all bloggers especially the bloggers who stop us from herding and humble us with our big ideas.
Group think can sometimes stuff up a good diverse website.
Happy new year elliotwave,prudentsaver and all the other bloggers who like to debate our sterile ideas.
January 1st, 2010 at 7:51 pm
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January 1st, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Happy New Year from AEP:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/6913074/Eurozone-credit-contraction-accelerates.html
“The European Central Bank said that loans to companies fell by a record 1.9pc from a year earlier. The broad M3 money supply – watched closely as a leading indicator for the economy a year ahead – fell by 0.2pc and has now been shrinking for several months.
Julian Callow from Barclays Capital said the decline in lending was steeper than expected and will cause the ECB to move with great care before withdrawing emergency stimulus. “This is the weakest data since the statistics began in 1970 and probably in the post-war era. It is a message about what is happening to the banking system, which is the lending nexus for the eurozone economy,” he said.”