Circuit Theory and the state of Post Keynesian Economics
on December 16th, 2009 at 12:47 pmI gave the following presentation at the 4th Dijon Money conference (December 10-12 2009):
Steve Keen's Debtwatch Podcast
Briefly, my paper explained how various conundrums that have stymied the development of Circuit Theory for 20 years were in fact the result of confusing a stock (an initial loan) with a flow (the economic transactions that loan could initiate over a year). With a proper dynamic approach, using the “tabular” method that I outlined here in “The Roving Cavaliers of Credit“, the conundrums are easily solved–watch the presentation to see how (click here for my Powerpoint presentation, and the two Vissim files that I ran are linked here and here (you will need to “right click” to download them, otherwise you’ll just get a text file). If you don’t have the free Vissim Viewer, it is downloadable from here. This is one of the Mathcad files that I showed (use a right-click for this one too; it’s poorly structured–written for my use rather than public consumption–but if you have Mathcadyou’ll be able to follow your way around it).
I presented in a parallel session, the morning after the conference dinner, and had a predictably small audience. However that disadvantage had a fortunate side, because that tiny audience included the two conference organisers Louis-Philippe Rochonand Claude Gnos, as well as Basil Moore and Allin Cottrell. Basil is the venerable father of the proposition that the money supply is endogenously determined, rather than set exogenously by the Central Bank, as is still taught (in wild conflict with both the empirical data and actual Central Bank knowledge and practice) in almost all macroeconomics courses; Louis-Philippe and Claude are well-known and respected Post Keynesian monetary economists; Allin is a very capable exponent of Marxian economics, who unlike most Marxists uses computer modelling extensively in his analysis (I just wish he’d update his webpage, which doesn’t appear to have changed since 1997!).
The discussion was therefore possibly better than it would have been, had I presented in a plenary:
Steve Keen's Debtwatch Podcast
However though I was pleased with the way my paper was received by those present, I was very disappointed with most of the presentations at the conference. Though there were some notable exceptions–one of which I’ll comment on below–the papers were either non-analytic (“What Keynes said was…”, “Economists must take uncertainty seriously…”), bombastic (“The fatal flaw in the capitalist system is …”), or used graphical analytic methods that could not easily be distinguished from the content of an ordinary macroeconomic textbook. There were one or two block diagram expositions, but they too were graphical only–mere drawings, not influence diagrams, and certainly not systems dynamics models.
There are many leading Post Keynesians who weren’t at this conference–including quite a few who attended the Australian Society of Heterodox Economists conference that Peter Kriesler organises at much the same time every year–so I’m not claiming that the papers here are utterly representative of the general state of Post Keynesian economics today. Nevertheless, if they were even mildly representative of the work that Post Keynesian economists are doing in the midst of the biggest crisis that capitalism has faced in seventy years–and one which is causing a crisis in neoclassical economics as well–then they will fail to shift economic theory at all. After ten or fifteen years of economic pain, the neoclassical orthodoxy will be reassembled–since it will be true that “there is no alternative”–and Post Keynesians will remain a noisy and largely ignored minority.
Papers like these, though they are intended to criticise the unreality of neoclassical economics, or to point out issues (uncertainty, bounded rationality, open systems, non-ergodicity, whatever) that should be taken seriously in economics, actually strengthen the resolve of neoclassical economists to do nothing of the sort, since they lack any coherent alternative analytic approach.
Neoclassicals who attend such presentations–which almost always include disparaging remarks about the absurd assumptions neoclassical economists make–walk away quite justifiably thinking that “if that’s the best you can do with realism, then I’ll stick to my ‘absurd assumptions’!”
We can and must do better than that. But to do so, non-orthodox economists have to find tools that can express their vision of the economy analytically, either as mathematical or computer models. If we don’t, then whatever might be said by “Critical Realists” about the inappropriateness of mathematical analysis in economics, or how one can’t model open systems mathematically, the critics will be sidelined in a not too distant future by those who do use such models–and who care a good deal less about realism than the critics do. Yet again, the critics may win the philosophical battle, only to lose the methodological war.
That’s why I’ve put in the effort to learn the methods of dynamical analysis in mathematics (systems of differential equations), engineering (systems dynamics), and computing (multi-agent models), and it’s why I’m trying to develop alternatives to those which make sense in the context of economic modelling–notably my tabular method to develop systems models.
These dynamic models enable us to put our thought processes into a systematic framework, and to explore relations that are simply too complex to follow verbally. This is a major benefit to mathematical analysis that is lost in the critiques non-orthodox economists tend to make of how neoclassicals abuse mathematics: when we outline a causal mechanism verbally, we are in fact stating a differential equation verbally. If we say that “Factor X causes changes in variable Y”, we are actually saying “the rate of change of Y is a function of (amongst other things) Factor X”. In mathematical notation, this is d/dt (Y) = F(X).
The advantage of expressing these concepts mathematically, as well as verbally, is that the mathematical rendition keeps track of all the feedbacks and complex interactions that simply overwhelm our capacity to follow a complex causal process verbally, and they give us a means to provide a rough quantification of how strong those feedback effects are.
The failure to do this within Circuit Theory is why a simple confusion of stocks with flows–mistaking the stock of money for the flows that are initiated by a given stock of money over a year–has stymied for twenty years the development of Graziani’s brilliant insights into a workable theory. As I show in the talk above, the simple expression of the flows initiated by a loan are sufficient to solve all the “conundrums” of Circuit Theory. The conundrums were simply the product of applying the wrong type of analysis–simultaneous equations, “period analysis” with its implicit difference equation form, or worse still mere words–to the issue. A simple application of flow analysis in continuous time shows up all those conundrums for what they really are: confusions resulting from bad analysis and inappropriate analytic methods.
Now I also have to exhort my fellow Post Keynesians to learn at least some of the appropriate methods. Get out of the comfort zone of verbal exposition, historiography, simultaneous equations and graphical analysis–and even the much more sophisticated stock-flow consistent framework of Godley and Lavoie (While this method is certainly a major step in the right direction, using it to try to explain where profit comes from was rather like trying to understand how a horse runs, using photographs of a running horse taken at one hour intervals)–and learn differential equations, or systems dynamics, or computer programming. It’s hard, but the effort is worth it. And if you don’t do it, then prepare to once again be dominated by neoclassical economists once the Global Financial Crisis has passed.
I’ll end on one very positive note: there was one exceptional piece of work done by a PhD student (who is also a full-time school teacher) Pascal Seppecher. He has developed a multi-agent model in Java that also simulates the monetary circuit, and reaches much the same result as I do from a differential equations perspective. His model is called Jamel: Java Agent-based MacroEconomic Laboratory. It’s a brilliant piece of work and I do recommend exploring it.
If a full-time school-teacher with a family can nonetheless acquire the skills and find the time needed to do quality work like this, then it’s high time academic Post Keynesians did the same. Sticking with what you are used to, when what you are used to merely lets you point out what “should be” done rather than actually doing it, is no longer good enough.



Steve,
Rather than having 4 – 6 private banks with reserve deposits at the RBA, why not allow every adult citizen (who wants to participate), act as a private bank witin the same private ‘banking’ guidelines. Would it be a safer and fairer system. An interbank settlment system would need to be set up but could be a government run infrastructure.
speaking of gold, a lot of people are speaking of gold…
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/258566/december-15-2009/prescott-financial-sells-gold–women—sheep
Interesting post Prof Keen.
As a PK from the early 1990′s I really do admire your work. I think it is brilliant, and I want to see more.
… and part of me also wants to encourage other PK economists to go down the path of more dynamics, more mathematics.
But the realist in me knows that the economist looking for the a solution will always be chasing their tail.
I know that a lot of what PK economists have to say has some validity. I also know that some of what monetarists, neoclassicals and pure keynesians (and a host of others) also has some meaning.
In other words I am the ultimate heterodox economist.
There is no ‘one’ theory.
It changes. One may work for a while, then another.
The sheep mentality of economists means that herding behaviour will favour one theory over another for an extended period.
The ‘one’ theory may change over time, but it will always ultimately be wrong and eventually replaced with another ‘wrong’ theory.
My personal philosophy with economics is to go with a gut feel. I admire the advances made in the mathematical parts of economics and have in my own small way helped to advance them. But in the end economics can never be tamed. Economics is like a Siberian tiger fresh from a kill, physics is like a gold coast tiger fresh from a feed. Neither is truly tame or understood, one however is totally wild and will never be understood.
Now, what you might ask is …. what about the changing theories theory?
Most likely it is wrong!
Steve, I think I know where you are going with this. I am going to have to read come circuit theory literature. In any case, I have listened to you long enough to realize the stated, no mathematical solution I have used in online debates for years pushing the idea of debt deflation toward a group of hyperinflation bears fits right into your ideas. It has been my idea for years to stop the compound interest game or at least stop it at the point of bank assets and capital far exceeding deposits and the point where the people behind banks get filthy rich while the rest of us become debt slaves. The government should probably own banking, if we could keep it away from the politicians and the influence of investment bankers and the multinationals. This would probably be easier in a true constitutional government as was set up in the US and later destroyed and reduced to a bidding war Democracy that we see today. Few understand that the compound interest game collapses. I have used your model of compounding since Christ for years to demonstrate that it had to collapse over and over again. Everyone knows they had gold coins back then and more than one to boot, so where are the quadrillion dollars we should have if it even lasted 500 years? I am going to endeavor to write my own theories on my blog once I get all my ideas in some kind of order. I might have to write a hit and miss series to iron out what is true and what is not true. But I think I get your idea in that a system that gets beyond the mathematical problem needs to be developed. I have heard you say we need to limit stock to 20 years. I think if we merely limited the manufacture of money for the purpose of speculation that would get rid of most of the problems. The free market works as long as someone doesn’t cram excessive amounts of credit into the system. The Minskey moments have always followed high levels of speculation and bank lending that borders on fraud. These have always been aided and abetted by the government backed system of fractional reserve banking and protected industries. In about every case other than the Tulip mania, a flexible money supply through a central bank and government granted title of nobility has been involved.
I don’t believe Elliotwave understands what is going on. What is called printing is nothing more than creating the liquidity already needed to keep the banks afloat. The reserves everyone pretends were already there are in the form of $100 bills which are in the matresses of people in Russia, Mexico, South America and other countries. The banks didn’t have assets that would liquidate to pay each other. We are far from hyperinflation and the speculators in gold will panic and sell. You are right that in the end gold will be something you want to hold, but the buck is going to make a lot of gains in real assets like homes in the next few years. The China game is about to collapse for lack of demand for what they have built in a crack up, unsustainable boom. I happen to know some of the guys you mentioned in your post. I am not calling a top in gold here, but there is a good chance it is in, as the world liquidity problems of not enough dollars is beginning to show up. Gold will trade much lower before it does what most gold bugs think it is going to do. The market and economic situation will force most to sell at lower prices than we see today.
Hi PKian,
My ambition in a sentence is to construct an accurate descriptive model of capitalism: get the causal linkages more or less correct even if it’s too complex a model to be able to fit it to data in any meaningful sense, let alone make quantitative predictions. But if I can describe the qualitative behaviour of the system with it, I’ll be happy.
BTW, most impressed with your site–it’s Deflationite for everyone else here. You have some very useful data there, and is that a proprietary graphing package you’re using or one you developed yourself?
re: Steve @ # 63,72
“I work with economists and it’s delusional thinking rather than malice that explains their beliefs. They actually believe they are doing good–a sense of selflessness pervades their work…”
” If neoclassicals really practiced what they preached, their own motivations for championing their beliefs would be non-altruistic. In fact most of them are champions of free trade, etc., because they genuinely (if falsely) believe these policies are for the general good.”
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While undoubtedly so for SOME economists , I don’t think it’s true of the bulk of those who’ve constructed the neoliberal monstrosity. I believe they have acted out of pure self-interest , and would shamelessly promote models showing the earth is flat , if it suited their goals.
Michael Hudson is much closer to the mark , IMO :
http://neweconomicperspectives.blogspot.com/2009/12/michael-hudson-responds-to-paul-krugman.html
excerpts:
“..my book describes the “intellectual engineering” that has turned the economics discipline into a public relations exercise for the rentier classes criticized by the classical economists: landlords, bankers and monopolists. It was largely to counter criticisms of their unearned income and wealth, after all, that the post-classical reaction aimed to limit the conceptual “toolbox” of economists to become so unrealistic, narrow-minded and self-serving to the status quo. It has ended up as an intellectual ploy to distract attention away from the financial and property dynamics that are polarizing our world between debtors and creditors, property owners and renters, while steering politics from democracy to oligarchy.”
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“Such disdain for empirical verification is not found in the physical sciences. Its popularity in the social sciences is sponsored by vested interests. There is always self-interest behind methodological madness. That is because success requires heavy subsidies from special interests, who benefit from an erroneous, misleading or deceptive economic logic. Why promote unrealistic abstractions, after all, if not to distract attention from reforms aimed at creating rules that oblige people actually to earn their income rather than simply extracting it from the rest of the economy?”
Yeah, there’s that side to it too. I’m talking about your garden-variety neoclassicals–like some in my own School at UWS, or at UNSW or Sydney uni, some I’ve met in the Productivity Commission (which isn’t), etc. Some of the leading lights are more consciously ideological (Friedman was clearly so), but often too there they believe their own bullshit (it appears that Friedman did), or they are unaware of the consequences of putting their bullshit into practice.
So I agree with Michael that a lot of this was sponsored by special interest groups–and on that front I am still dismayed to see the extent to which funding will in fact alter people’s perspectives in social sciences. But at the same time I think more damage is done by delusion and unawareness of the consequences than by outright malice.
Steve,
I am reading the Hudson’s article and Paul Krugman’s post…
Economics is the science of un-learning.
Merry Christmas to All
Steve,
Thanks once again for providing this forum. I learn something every time I visit.
BTW I visited Deflationite. Interesting material. Thank you PK.
MMitchell
“……. I am now starting to notice a much broader movement taking place without being bound to any particular ideology….”
I think you are spot on. FWIW I think this is broad based and expanding. My “significant other” who happens to be a history major thinks that the InterWebNetThingy is going to make the crucial difference.
BTW The first fibre optic cable to Africa just came ashore in Tanzania. The other end of the link is in India. There has been explosive growth in mobile phone networks in Africa for some years.
Grameen bank hasn’t skipped a beat during the GFC. The Stephanie Alexander Kitchen Garden Program is now in 91 schools Australia-wide.
Other models are emerging. I doubt that all of these genies can be put back in their bottles.
Cheers
PostKeynsian,
like the deflationite site.
I see you have had a look at Spain, Ireland and Malaysia. Very interesting set of graphs.
Are you able to repeat the analysis on Australia / New Zealand?
I’m living in New Zealand and I’ve seen the Auckland housing market rebound strongly this year. From Nov 2007 to Nov 2008 there was a drop. From Nov 2008 to Nov 2009 there has been 12% growth in the Auckland housing market. The feeling I have is that the herd is once again in a frenzy to get into property. Culturally, New Zealand retail investors have developed a deep suspicion of other means of investment, so there seems to be a very strong cultural meme to go to property. The New Zealand investment scene has led to a very poor retail investor perception of protection in New Zealand with respect to Finance firms and the NZ sharemarket.
Bunch of data for New Zealand at
John Pemberton has done some work at analyzing RBNZ data at http://www.johnpemberton.co.nz/html/debt_graphs.html
Links to RBNZ data at http://www.johnpemberton.co.nz/html/data_links.html
The New Zealand government didn’t have a lot of debt when the GFC hit. They are remedying that while they wait for the economy to rebound. The MSM seems to have a growing set of articles and information that is purporting to support the view that the economy is coming out of recession and growth is, once again, positive.
Don’t know about Australia data sources. I look at Australia and wonder why it stays high. Is it the Growth Lobbies porking of the real estate market via force feeding immigration levels that constantly produce a demand/supply tension to the pricing upside?
There seems to be a belief in New Zealand that high immigration will “save the economy” via pressure on rents and demand for more housing to be built.
I place this post in the category of “If you don’t ask, you don’t get”. That is, no expectation you will look at the New Zealand scenario. But if you do then it would be very intersting for me.
“But at the same time I think more damage is done by delusion and unawareness of the consequences than by outright malice”
yes , greenspans notion before the gfc that the market will punish any exuberence and malpractice has one big flaw in it, in that markets are about doing deals and worrying about the consequences later. because of the corporate vail we only find out about corruption and incompetence after it has happened not before, especially when the so called guardians of the system arent looking too hard. and finding out after the fact doesnt help all those who have suffered as a consequence.
The attempt to muzzle China using an EU-like kind of diktat (so-called “compromise”) has failed. I am not referring to the actual climate change controversy – just to the political and economical spin around it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/20/china-blamed-copenhagen-climate-failure
This doesn’t surprise me at all.
It will be very interesting to see what comes next:
1. Reintroducing tariffs and getting rid of globalisation
2. Printing enough money to drown China
3. Nothing at all followed by the great rebalancing of global power
As I mentioned already, before he passed away, Paul Samuelson had revised his position on free trade when he had discovered that the system of forcing poor in developing countries to do low-paid work and freeing up workforce in the US to do better things had been been hacked.
ak,
“The attempt to muzzle China using an EU-like kind of diktat (so-called “compromise”) has failed. I am not referring to the actual climate change controversy – just to the political and economical spin around it.”
The big thing to come out of the Hoaxenhagen summit was the continuation of the Kyoto Protocal rort that propogates growth in trading of carbon credits. Estimated to be in the many Trillions in several years, destined to be sucked from yours and mine pockets, through the mighty GS filtration system and ending in some dark slush fund bucket of unworthy and deceitful politicians. Monckton puts it well;
http://sppiblog.org/news/parturient-montes-nascetur-ridiculus-mus#more-314
Actually, the developing countries and their ruling despots err democratic socialist govts are far more open about the true meaning of this worldwide hoax – ie it’s only about money- and they insist “wealthy” countries like Australia pony up many Billions to their grubby Swiss banks in order for them to play too. This is an attempt at wealth redistribution on a world class scale , something World Socialism has only dreamt of. Thankfully, it collapsed into a meaningless purile mess and Australians were saved the trauma of seeing yet more of their HARD EARNED public treasure frittered away by Comrades Kevin and Penny on their romantic notions of Socialist Nanny Govt grandeur – which in fact is all a prelude anyway to Rudd’s bid for the UN Sec pozzie.
I think that enough of the world has actually now woken up to this monstrous scam. A nice Xmas present for us all to enjoy!
More on BIG carbon and the parasitic Industry it supports at your and my expense. I love how my tax dollars are so prudently spent;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6845686/Copenhagen-accord-keeps-Big-Carbon-in-business.html
Our taxes are now funding Federal Carbon Cops. We are far closer to a totalitarian state than we could even imagine. I’m not sure how anyone can possibly model that or in fact that economic models even matter- when Govt ordains what economic theory suites it’s priority to remain in power no matter what.In these circumstances, merit has little to offer unless it fullfils the aims of Govt propaganda;
http://www.ag.gov.au/www/ministers/oconnor.nsf/Page/MediaReleases_2009_FourthQuarter_18December2009-ReformstoenhancePolicecapability
GSM,
there was a recent story about Monckton being pushed in the back by a Danish policeman as Monckton tried to walk away from the conference (he was an invited “observer” of the proceedings but then was turned away without notice). Monckton received a blow to the head from the fall and was knocked out for a short while.
This is apparently standard police behaviour these days and serves to remind everyone how difference of opinion is dealt with. Anyone who values diversity and freedom has to ask themselves whether they choose to tolerate this, or prefer to watch our society slowly slip into thuggery and gangsterism.
How do macro-economists model this by the way? Does rule by fear make workers more productive? Of course, the answer is that economists politely look the other way, ignoring anything remotely attached to the real world and look for some statistical series to base their results on. Retrospective explanation can always be found to fill in the blanks.
Tel,
Zealotry, especially by a ruling power, in any form is damaging and at the very least highly suspicious. At worst, it becomes tyrrany, imposing all manner of subjugation on populations metering out special attention from the state on “non- believers” and “deniers”. You only need to look at the religious fanaticism unleashed by the catholic church during the centuries long Inquisition. Yes, I am making a comparison between “old” religion and the “new” religion of Climate fear mongering. For a political comparison, Fascism /Nazism had similar humble beginnings.
The thought police are mobilised and now deployed against the public. Freedom, in most of it’s forms , is at stake. Economics are just a tool to facilitate the political policy of the day. What is right, wrong or accurate in economic theory doesn’t even enter into the equation.
While this method is certainly a major step in the right direction, using it to try to explain where profit comes from was rather like trying to understand how a horse runs, using photographs of a running horse taken at one hour intervals
Hi Steve: I do not believe this. Being a fan of the work of Godley and Lavoie, makes me want to write something here. It is trivial in most cases in their models to shift to continuous time. You may call some of their assumptions controversial, but they are bang on target with “money creation” (quick answer: Govt sector)
I also believe that your models do not achieve this. I hope you take this as an intellectual attack rather than a personal one (because I do not know you personally) and I am not even in academics.
If you remember, the commentor JKH offered a detailed (and articulate) criticism of your models
Comment #106 in
http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2009/09/27/it%e2%80%99s-hard-being-a-bear-part-sixgood-alternative-theory/?cp=all
I whole-heartedly agree with JKH. I have not seen your response to that criticism. The reason I am taking efforts to push this debate is because I believe there is something you are missing and we are a part of one “debunking economics” e-team. I dropped this quote in a couple of places – Galileo once said that “By denying scientific principles, one may maintain any paradox” and to me it seems like
“By denying accounting principles, economists may maintain any paradox”
For example your definition of reserves is not consistent with what banks use. To really understand what reserves are, I refer you to Sean Carmody’s writing on how reserves change. http://www.stubbornmule.net/2009/12/banks-central-banks-and-money/
As far as formal modeling goes, Chapters 7 & 9 of G&L talks of a pure credit economy. The real world is not a pure credit economy because there is the government sector but for the sake of abstraction, I have no issues considering a pure credit economy. It is important in a credit economy, however to have real assets like machinery parts and/or real estate. The formal modeling then is to describe how households, firms and banks work together to produce those real assets. Since real assets are assets without a liability, one can say that the abstract economy has achieved something. Financial assets will always sum to zero simply because of the logic of accounting. This principle is absolutely sacred and it is like a conservation principle. Borrowing words from JKH, “This is how I would model it verbally. I can’t fathom why higher mathematics would be required to confirm this idea”
I also have something to say about your use of stock-flow consistency. You mention in your papers that it is trivial because d/dt (Stocks) = Flows. However this is not general. The more accurate one is
d/dt (Stocks) = Flow + Stocks.
Some coefficient have time dimensions of -1 can be multiplying the stocks on RHS. You seem to be doing right here but:
e.g in your equations for workers deposits, there should be another time like wF_D which let us say is gammaF_D. You may just think its a redefinition but w appears elsewhere as well and redefinition is not so straightforward. It is easier to look at this from a difference equation viwepoint. (if you like, infinitesimal intervals
) Consumption is both from wages and accumulated wealth. This is a minor point but you may miss (1-gamma) factors in your models. However in complicated examples, its likely that you miss such terms. In words, households consume both out of their wages and accumulated wealth (even in continuous time)
More importantly sound accounting is a necessary but not a sufficient condition for stock-flow consistency
I will wait for your reply to JKH since I remember you mentioned that you will let us all know after the conference and also on something on what I have to say.
Ramanan/superpoincare,
I am sorry but as a non-economist I think you are not correct in stating that:
d/dt (Stocks) = Flow + Stocks
1. Check the units. How can you add dollars/month (flow) to dollars?
2. Think about electrical currents and charge. dQ/dt = i (Q is charge, i is current)
3. Think about flow of water and water volume.
So how is it possible that only in economics you can add stock and flow?
ak,
That was just a minor point but there is a coefficient multiplying Stocks on RHS so that it ends up dimensionally correct. Units if you like.
The funny thing is that according me to Steve has d/dt(Stocks) = w*Stocks but has ignored flows in one of the equations for workers’ consumption. There is an inflow as wages but no outflow of *consumption out of wages*. Just outflow out of assets.
Also this criticism is just a minor one – the major one is that a pure credit economy cannot have net financial assets.
Ramanan/superpoincare,
I fully agree that a pure credit economy cannot have net financial assets. I believe that Steve’s point is that a simplified model based on pure credit money has certain features similar to the real economy, specifically certain deficiencies of the Circuit model have been addressed. I believe that the issue of credit destruction or rather recycling of credit money has been addressed already.
Let’s wait for the next edition of the model and see what is going to be added.
I think that the “net financial assets” issue has been overemphasized as what matters more to the most of people are real assets. Money is a medium needed in the production and to acquire real assets.
What I would really like to see is a model helping to show (or to disprove) the thesis that a sovereign government is only constrained by the productive capacities of economy in sustaining non-inflationary deficits. I think that the history of the 1970-ies in Europe or history of some Latin American countries in general may contain examples showing that the governments may be much more constrained in their deficit spending for example by the fact that deficit spending may lead to an excessive growth of the public sector what in turn fuels inflation.
The following has been written by prof Balcerowicz, famous (and often hated) for his disinflation policies ( I may not agree with some of his views):
“Latin American economies, or the classical instrument will have to be used: first of all, a radical reduction of the budget deficit, tightening monetary policy, and one specific type, I should add, because I thought that if you had a state-dominated economy, if state enterprises are dominating, then there is no counterweight to the influence of the workers, and the wage setting becomes inflationary, and this is where I argue for … a control on wages. This was a Polish contribution to stabilization. We have studied it much before, but once you have a private economy, then natural forces started to operate, and it is in the interest of the owners and managers to resist excessive wage pressures, and also private enterprises are more productive so that they can offer more reasonable real wage increases.”
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/commandingheights/shared/minitext/int_leszekbalcerowicz.html
AK is completely correct in a later comment on your equation Ramanan–the correct equation in continuous time is:
“d/dt (Stocks) = Flows”.
In a discrete time format the correct equation is something close to what you write, but not the same. Then it is
Stocks[t] = Stocks[t-dt] + Flows[t-dt]
I have great respect for Wynne Godley’s work too, and Marc as well. My point is that what Wynne developed as an accounting framework was very very good, but suffers from the limitations of applying discrete time methods to continuous time problems. Yes you can move from discrete to continuous time IF you use “dt” as your time unit rather than just using “1″, which assumes that all processes take one time unit. Unfortunately the latter is the common practice in both most economics and most of Marc & Wynne’s models.
My reaction when Wynne first showed his system to me (in 2000 at the Jerome Levy centre in New York) was that it was a brilliant concept that was half-way there to a decent modelling framework: the accounting of flows was brilliant, but the underlying engine was kludgy compared to the engines that I knew abounded in engineering and mathematics circles (Mathematica to Mathcad to Simulink and so on). So I regard Wynne’s work as an inspiration for the approach I’ve now developed that implements an accounting framework in continuous time.
Wynne actually used his model to build a simulation of the Goodwin growth cycle while I was there–making the point that you can move from discrete to continuous time if you take small enough timesteps.
However then you encounter all sorts of issues once you build a complex model (in the technical sense) that a simple “dt” approach isn’t good enough to simulate such systems in real computer time–which is why mathematicians developed techniques like Runge-Kutta etc. to make it possible to do the simulations much more rapidly.
The quick answer to money creation is not “Govt Sector”: it is “both Govt and private sector”. I am attempting to build models that have both–actually I have built a first pass at such a model–and I would hope that Chartalists have a similar ambition.
Thanks for the reminder re JKH’s critique; would you mind reminding me again in mid January because (as unfortunately happens all too often to me now) I have two prior deadlines that I have to meet?
Hi Ramanan,
No, the flow out of the wages account is proportional to the volume in it at the time. This is where dimensional analysis–which ak and other engineers here can tell you about in great detail–is important. I use “w*WD” in my first run through the model simply because economists are so ignorant on dynamics in general that to throw in all the dimensionally correct elements right away would cause the MEGO effect (“My Eyes Glaze Over”). I therefore have to show them the basic idea first–that it’s possible to make a profit–and later introduce dimensionally correct terms.
Later in the paper I replace w with (1-s)/tau_W where tau_W is the time lag in workers’ consumption. Then the dimensionality of the equation is obviously correct
d/dt (Stock) = rate of change of stock with respect to time = Stock divided by time lag.
On the major criticism, I am quite aware of that. My point is that implicit in that statement–”a pure credit economy cannot have net financial assets”–is the belief that such a system couldn’t function. One reason for building to model is to show that the implicit conclusion doesn’t follow from the premise: a pure credit economy can function quite easily without net financial assets.
Again this is why I champion bringing dynamic thinking into economics: people can make what appear to be profound statements about economics, which when properly analysed can amount to much ado about nothing.
Steve,
Thanks for your reply.
I know dimensional analysis, differential equations very well
I will come back to you once you are relatively free. Gives me time to “Texify” what I have to say as well. For now I have to say a few things:
1. Even without timelags your equations should be having wF_D AND gammaF_D. Though you can “absorb” it as one, you may not be able to absorb them everywhere into a redefinition.
2. I have some issues with time-lags. And for time lags I would have expected terms like f(t-tau). Reference:Gandolfo
Quantities such as 1/tau just introduce a time-scale in the problem not a time-lag.
3. Stock flow consistency requires you be double-entry book keeping consistent. This is an absolute must. Flows such as interest income do not become an asset for a bank but a means of extinguishing its liability. Interest payments increases liabilities and deposits are bank liabilities too for the bank!
Will ping you next month.
Cheers!
Ramanan
Good Ramanan,
In that case I can address your points more fully.
1. If I remember you argued for the second term because I should have spending out of wealth as well as out of wages. The W_D account is the recipient of wages, so I have that already: the inputs to W_D are wages and interest income, the output is consumption.
At a later stage, I would want to have purchases of financial assets by workers and spending based both on their level and income from them, but the model isn’t yet complex enough for that.
2. f(t-tau) is what systems engineers call a time delay, not a time lag. For a more complete model they would be necessary (to proprely model government policy for example, which will always occur using dated data); again as a first pass I haven’t used them because they dramatically complicate the model. And my systems engineers describe equations using terms like those I have used as “first order time lags”; for general readers they are similar to the functions used to describe radioactive decay.
3. I am stock-flow consistent–that’s one of the beauties of the system I’ve devised for developing coupled ODE models of the financial system. I do not have interest payments becoming an asset for the bank–they turn up on the liabilities side of the ledger. I do treat them as liabilities for a banking system, but ones that in an intersectoral sense sum to zero with an aggregated banking sector, and generate no interest payment obligations, but are in the aggregate a source of income to the banking sector. In a more complete multi-bank system, they would have intra-sectoral interest payment obligations, but this would still sum to zero at the aggregate level.