Debtwatch No. 40 November 2009: Have we dodged the Iceberg?
on November 2nd, 2009 at 8:47 pmPart 1: The USA
The most recent “unexpectedly good” growth figures for the USA appear to indicate that what will still be the worst downturn since the Great Depression is finally over.
However this is not your usual downturn. Not only is it acknowledged as the most severe since the Great Depression, it has also evoked the most remarkable government economic stimulus ever seen. It would be bizarre if this had not had an effect on the data.
Whether a recovery is truly underway in the private sector therefore depends on how the economy is likely to perform after the stimulus is withdrawn.
The “recession is over” reaction could be valid under two circumstances. Either:
- The figures are very high even when the government stimulus is taken into account; or
- If the economy could be expected to continue growing endogenously after the stimulus were withdrawn, even if the aggregate numbers for this quarter were good only because the government stimulus was so large.
Let’s consider the first option. The growth rate on an annualised basis for the last quarter was 3.5%. The BEA’s decomposition of this notes that 1.66% of the growth was due to increased motor vehicle output, which was primarily driven by the government’s “Cash for Clunkers” program. Another 0.48% was due to the growth in government expenditure.

There are also some elements of the figures that simply seem, in the original sense of the word, incredible. For example, rising investment levels—up 11.5%—were a major reason for the positive reading. But all components of this measure were either tepid or negative—except for residential investment, which was up a whopping 23.4%.
That just doesn’t tally with the most depressed real estate market in history; possibly this huge contribution to aggregate investment could be the result of a large movement from a very small base, whereas the sector’s weight in the overall calculations of investment hasn’t been revised downwards to reflect its true contribution today. Or it could be a problem with the data sample that will be revised substantially downwards in later estimates of GDP.
Either way, the prospect that a serious recession, which was caused by the bursting of a housing bubble, which left an unprecedented stock of unsold existing houses on the market, and which has led to an unprecedented unsold over-supply of existing housing stock, has been ended by a revival in housing investment… is simply incredible.
That leaves the second option—that even though the positive figure was the product of the government stimulus, when this is withdrawn the economy can be expected to continue growing on its own.
Here trends in consumer income and non-residential investment are the important issues. These would both need to be positive (or at least turning from lows) for the private sector to resume growth in the next quarter without the need for stimulus.
Consumer disposable income fell at a substantial 3.4% annualised rate in the quarter, while fixed investment expenditure rose by an anaemic 2.3% and investment in structures fell by 2.5%.
It is thus likely that if the government stimulus were withdrawn, both these private sector areas would show even more negative figures over this quarter.
However, another way of looking at whether this is the end of the recession is to look at the timing of turning points in the data and economic recoveries (this requires attempting to deduce the cyclical components in the data from the trend). On this and the conventional set of indicators, it looks like the “avoided the iceberg” call could be right. Firstly as the next graph indicates, during the recession all factors save government spending were below trend, and the two biggest factors in the turnaround are a revival in investment (driving almost exclusively by the “23.4% rise” in residential investment!) and net exports.

The role of net exports is unusual (though unremarkable), but the turnaround in investment is a sign of recovery that has occurred in all previous recessions—as the next chart indicates.

However there is another factor that hasn’t yet been considered—the role of credit. During post-War recession, credit growth has dropped well below trend, and the recovery has involved rising debt levels. This is not the sign of a healthy economy—far from it—but this is how the US economy has “recovered” from every previous post-WWII recession.
Not this time it appears: if this is a recovery, then it’s a highly unusual one because credit growth is still well below trend—and, in fact, negative: America is deleveraging.

We therefore have the strange combination that one accepted “leading indicator” of recovery—a turnaround in investment—appears to have occurred, while another less favoured indicator—the trend in credit growth—is still pointing at recession.
I apologise for getting somewhat geeky here, but this is one issue that a simple check of charts can’t decide—we have to delve deeper to work out which of these two contradictory indicators to take more seriously. So the next two tables get slightly more technical and look at the correlations over time between changes in the components of GDP and credit and changes in real GDP.
Here the data favours debt growth as the leading indicator to watch. Investment is strongly correlated with GDP, but that’s hardly surprising since it constitutes a major and volatile component of GDP. Just as with consumption—the larger but less volatile major component—its correlation is highest when coincident with GDP. It is not a leading indicator.

The two best leading indicators are debt, and government spending—with the former stronger than the latter. Government spending a year ahead of GDP is a good indicator of which way GDP will go—something which supports the Chartalist approach to macroeconomics and undermines conventional “neoclassical” economic thinking. But changes in debt are a stronger indicator still, and have a stronger effect closer to the actual movements in GDP.
The previous correlations covered the whole post-WWII period (from 1952 till now), but there has clearly been structural change in the US economy over that time—especially the relocation of production to offshore low-wage countries, the growth of the FIRE sector with the economy’s increasing dependence on debt, and the shift in economic policy from a “Keynesian” orientation to a “Neoclassical” one (prior to this crisis) in the mid-1970s. So the next two tables repeat the above correlations, but just with data from 1990.

These reinforce the argument that movements in debt matter as an indicator of whether we’re out of the recession or not—and the answer is no. It also appears that the influence of government spending on economic performance weakened while neoclassicals were in charge (and behaving as neoclassicals—rather than “Born Again Keynesians” as they are now).
So I don’t believe that this quarter of growth for the USA implies it has dodged the iceberg. Instead a patch-up job has been done on the damage, but the USS is still taking on water as the private sector deleverages.
Part 2: Australia
The Australian result of only one negative quarter of growth, followed by a return to positive growth is the best in the OECD. This was driven by:
- The dramatic positive impact on household budgets from the cut in interest rates by 4%, which reduced debt service from 15.4% to 10.3% of disposable income;
- A stimulus package that was equivalent to 2.5% of GDP, the largest such package in the OECD;
- Australia’s unusual position as a commodity producer—so that we benefited from China’s huge stimulus package and recent stockpiling of commodities; and
- The enticement to households to take on additional mortgage debt that goes by the name of the First Home Buyers Boost.
The first two factors alone resulted in a 9% increase in houshold disposable income over the year from June 2008 to 2009—an unheard of development in boom times, let alone during an economic crisis. As Gerard Minack put it in his Downunder Daily on October 9th, “If that’s recession, bring it on!”
As a result of this policy-driven paradox—rising disposable income in a recession—Australia will not record a fall in real output on an annual basis in 2009, a result that is in stark contrast to outcomes in the rest of the OECD.

So fast and massive government action—by both its Treasury and Central Bank wings—averted a recession in the face of an unprecedented financial crisis.
This is a welcome outcome—and one that contradicts one of the latest fads that dominated economics prior to the GFC, “rational expectations macroeconomics”, which argued that the government couldn’t affect real output. As I noted in an earlier post, though neoclassically-trained economists drove the policy response, they did so as “Born Again Keynesians”, and if their rescue does work, then it contradicts neoclassical economics just as much as the GFC’s very existence did in the first place.
Also as noted in that post, the only school of economic thought that could be vindicated by this outcome is the Post Keynesian “Chartalist” group, which argues that any macroeconomic downturn can be averted by sufficiently strong government action.
The question for the future is what the economy is likely to do after the special factors that turned it into a comparative boom for Australian households and exporters are unwound.
Already the RBA has started to reverse the first factor above, by raising interest rates by 0.25% at its October meeting, flagging that it will do as much or more on Melbourne Cup day, and implying that the reserve rate could be as high as 5-6% by the end of 2010. If the RBA followed that plan of action, then the debt servicing costs for households would rise to over 15 percent of household disposable income. This would reverse more than half of the improvement to disposable incomes engineered by government policy during the GFC.

Moreover, this increase in debt servicing costs would come on top of the removal of the First Home Buyers Boost (FHBB)—which I prefer to call the First Home Vendors Boost.
Prior to that foolish policy, Australian households were deleveraging—reducing their debt levels. Thanks to it, they increased their debt levels so that the ratio of mortgage debt to GDP in Australia is now at an all-time record, and exceeds the level in the USA (though not the UK). in mid-2008, the mortgage debt to GDP ratio peaked at 84.9%, and it then fell to 84.2% by the end of 2008. Under the influence of the FHOB, that ratio stopped falling and is now 88.4%—an all-time record, and five times the level that applied in 1989.
This government-induced $50 billion increase in mortgage debt has been a major factor in driving the economy upward, despite the GFC. The takeup of the boost is truly staggering—from a nationwide total of 121 in October 2008, to 5,385 the next month, and a peak of 20,389 in June 2009. The total enticed into taking out a mortgage will surely exceed 200,000 by the end of December—and represent more than one percent of the Australian population.

How did the Government get such a fabulous “multiplier” out of its Boost—put in $1.5 billion, get $50 billion additional spending on housing (at $7000 per recipient, times roughly 200,000 recipients by the time the Boost ends—there were 171,000 recipients as of the end of September 2009)? Because the recipients of the grants used the $7,000 to get an additional $40,000-$50,000 in finance from their mortgage lender, and then handed this over to the First Home Vendor (FHV) in a grossly inflated sale price.
The FHV then took this additional cash and leveraged it into an additional $200,000 or so for their next house purchase. So the FHVB caused a bubble, not merely in the sub-$500,000 price range that most First Home Buyers inhabit, but right up to the $1 million range that accounts for more than 90% of Australian housing. The leverage on the FHBB was not merely seven to one, but closer to 50:1 given this flow-on effect.
With this government-engineered mortgage debt spree, it’s no wonder that the Australian house price bubble, which had begun to deflate in late 2008, has taken off once more. It’s rather apt that my walk to Kosciuszko (as a result of Rory Robertson’s bet with me) will start from Parliament House, since there’s no doubt about Parliament’s role in keeping this Ponzi Scheme alive.

The impact on Australia’s financial position was dramatic and will, in the long run, be very, very bad. It has encouraged us to go back to the same unsustainable trend of rising debt to income levels that caused the GFC in the first place. It has also engineered an unnaturally fast return to rising debt levels: in the 1990s recession, it took 29 months to go from “peak debt” (85.34% of GDP in February 1991) to “trough debt” (79.14% in July 1993). This time it has taken just 14 months (from 164.8%in March 2008 to 158.84% in May 2009).

After the 1990s recession, debt levels took off in the Great Aussie Mortgage Bubble, rising from 85% to almost 165% of GDP in just 15 years. If we are to get out of this crisis the same way we escaped from “The Recession We Had To Have”, then debt levels would need to continue rising relative to GDP. Which raises the question, “Who Are You Going To Lend To?” Both households and businesses are carrying more debt than in any previous recession, and the business sector is still deleveraging—only households are taking on more debt.

All these factors lead me to expect that 2010 will be a bad year for the Australian economy:
- The combination of the RBA’s rate rises and the ending of the First Home Buyers Boost will in all likelihood prick the house price bubble inspired by the Boost in the first place—and lead as many as 175,000 households to be very angry that they were enticed into this speculative bubble in the first place. If this happens, there is little prospect of making the House Price Souffle rise twice by yet another foolish enticement into debt.
- The political pressure on the government may lead it to unwind its stimulus, which will remove a key prop from the economy; and
- Deleveraging, which has been the looming problem that government policy (especially the First Home Vendors Grant) has simply delayed, will kick in as it has in the USA. The most likely manifestation would be a decline in discretionary consumption and non-mining investment.
I therefore expect that the RBA won’t get to complete its intended program of raising interest rates, but will be forced to go into reverse in 2010 as it was in 2008. It shouldn’t be forgotten that the RBA was still raising rates in mid-2008 to fight inflation. They didn’t see the GFC coming, and I believe that they’re making a similar mistake this time—believing that it’s all behind us when the special factors that minimised the impact are terminating.
So no I don’t believe we have dodged the iceberg—we’ve merely pushed it below the surface, from where it will rise again to dent out economic hull once more. And all the while the neoclassical economists who didn’t realise they were in an ice field in the first place are busily rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.
Table One

Table Two




bb,
What kind of “crowding out” can happen if you have almost 10% official unemployment and capacity utilisation at 70%?
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/g17/Current/default.htm
Has anyone noticed the narrowing gap between interest the banks pay on a term deposit and the interest borrowers pay on a housing loan. Last time I saw such a narrowing gap was during the days of Pyramid and Estate Mortgage 10 minutes before they collapsed – which was 5 minutes after the then Victorian State Treasurer Rob Jolly said everything was fine. As Jeff Kennett famously said,”you can’t stop the stupid from being stupid”.
ak,
Just because capacity utilisation is below peak, it does follow that there can be no crowding out. It comes down to a misallocation of resources.
There was an excellent post on this blog not too long ago about someone on the sunshine coast trying to get a new Kitchen. Despite rising unemployment, and generally weak business sentiment this person could not find anyone – the relevant builders were all getting work from the Government to upgrade schools etc.
Now, in the next set of GDP accounts, it would be wrong to deduct +100% government expenditure on schools to derive underlying GDP – since we know there was at least one person on the Sunshine coast who wanted a new kitchen.
The result is we have had crowding out, depite the economy not running at full capacity.
Marco2,
I’m sure this is nothing new to most people but to clarify RBA believes around 4% is an expansionary level and below that is emergency level. At the moment they are withdrawing from the emergency levels, if inflation was high they would be expected to go well above 4%.
MMitchell,
Although Aussie banks borrow some money in foreign currency it is all swapped out into AUD, effectively making most of the foreign debt an AUD exposure for the banks.
@ak (#59)
Excellent post, mate! Very instructive.
I myself am struggling with Prof. Mitchell’s thoughts: at one hand, given my already known interests, it is very attractive. At the other hand, it contradicts many of the things I have taken for granted.
Keep it the good work!
Cheers
Marco
bb,
I was referring to the US not to Australia. You used the term “cash for clunkers” so I was assuming that we were not talking about Sunshine Coast. Why do you think this single example can be used to draw generic conclusions about another country’s economy?
Sunshine Coast Area Profile
* Unemployment Rate : 4.4 %
* Job Seekers : 11 661
* Average Job Seeker Age : 37
* Average Job Seeker Unemployment Duration : 16 months
* Working Age Population (15-64) : 188 467
http://www.workplace.gov.au/lmip/EmploymentData/Brisbane/SunshineCoast?cid=JNPopulationByUnemploymentDuration|ESA|QSNC|ESA|anon|Job%20Network
Also – what is the “misallocation of resources”? I thought that the speculative bubble in real estate is the biggest example of such a misallocation. (Oh sorry for a neoclassical economist there is no housing bubble and prices are always right unless the government spoils the party). You need to provide statistical data showing that said “crowding out” indeed happened in the US – for example by pointing to a direct spike in prices of certain services in the areas affected caused by the stimuli.
Australia’s Retail Sales Unexpectedly Decline 0.2%
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601081&sid=a9uwMilUofT0
It appears, there’s still a few around that aren’t that confident about the future
sorry the link is broken just type “sunshine coast unemployment” in Google and the link will be shown in the search results
ak,
I did comment above;
“If we respond with simply more printing then we will see our currency eventually vapourise and become worthless.”
Chartalism or any theory that espouses the massive and unlimited printing of new debt (so Govts can take the place of private demand that is not there), will eventually result in that debt being essentially unserviceable and is a road to a worthless currency. I believe you have agreed to that.
“I would not panic about our public debt. ”
That debt that we don’t need to panic about must be serviced. Even Ken Henry acknowledges that, hence his commentary recently on the prospect for higher taxes. Whether you believe it or not,Ken Henry has indicated higher taxes are in your future. That will further crimp aggregate private final demand (I dont see wages increasing as an offset to higher taxes- do you?). Taken to extremes, massive and runaway debts= MUCH higher taxes to service it. Try to print the money to service that runaway debt and our currency loses value, perhaps dramatically so. This is what is happening now in the US. Has it worked? Sure, it has temporarily pumped up the stock indexes and boosted Bankster bonuses. But essentially QE has failed to boost private demand. Consumer credit has collapsed in the US indicating clearly that consumers still are not willing to give up delevering. Company’s are still retrenching with no employment growth for this decade.
IMHO there is only one sustainable way out off our immediate predicament. To SAVE. Both private and Public. Slash Govt spending back to essentials. This is the only way to bring back a lasting confidence. Yes it will have negative implications initially but when the deleveraging has run it’s natural course household and Govt balance sheets will be in the kind of shape that will offer a sustainable economic recovery WITHOUT the overhead burden of massive debt servicing costs.
“the RBA was still raising rates in mid-2008 to fight inflation. They didn’t see the GFC coming” – Steve, sorry for playing devil’s advocate but I believe they did see it coming but at the time thought that Australia was in a reasonably strong position to face the crisis. Not only were they right but they were proved to be too bearish in their forecasts.
Don’t you think raising rates now is a reasonable thing to do to prevent further ballooning of the real estate bubble?
It just seems like anything they do can be critised, they lower rates – they feed the bubble. They raise rates – they’re going to prick the bubble and cause a disaster.
From what I understand the RBA takes in many more factors into consideration and I find that different pockets of people with different interests pick up on a few things on which they base their critisms.
The real uncertainty here is how thick is the debt balloon skin, we are in untested territory and I don’t think anyone can say with any degree of confidence the exact timing of a potential burst. If the RBA tried to make their decisions on such long term and uncertain predictions that would be a recipe for disaster. I believe a “roll with the punches” approach is best.
re: #72
Aggregate Demand = GDP + DeltaDebt
“It’s probably a matter of semantics, but I would have thought that DeltaDebt would be a component of GDP, and why treat it differently than Aggregate Demand?”
BX12,
I believe that Steve would argue that , in his formula , ‘Aggregate Demand’ equals that demand supported by the underlying economy , in the absence of inputs from added debt that causes the debt/GDP level to increase.
So : “Legitimate(my term)GDP = Aggregate Demand – DeltaDebt
I contend that if you were to look at the U.S. economy pre-1975 or so ( when debt/GDP was stable and low) , you would find that any increment in deltadebt that raised the debt/GDP ratio , added , artificially , to GDP in a dollar for dollar fashion , or very nearly so. So , one could recalculate yearly GDP , correcting for the effects of added , excess debt over the last 50 years , say. Economists in the U.S. don’t dare attempt something like this , however , since it would reveal that The Emperor not only has no clothes , but no skin or any other tissues , only bones , because GDP growth since the 70′s or thereabouts would be shown to be illusory to an embarrassing degree.
Currently added debt probably contributes on significantly less than a dollar for dollar basis , because part of that contribution shows up as Chinese GDP , and because of the effects of forced deleveraging by the U.S. consumer.
BX12,
Sorry, I messed up my definition above. I believe that Steve would say that “Aggregate Demand” equals the underlying demand plus the debt-added demand , but I think you probably already guessed as much.
A good summary on how to blow up your economy. Clearly, QE is a tool used by corrupted Govts and CB’s to defend their banking pals from facing negative market and legal responses . QE is an economic death sentence.
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/11/janet-tavakoli-on-financial-meth-labs.html
“Select Quotes
• Democracy has been diluted by the actions we have taken to get out of this crisis.
• The government is willing to willy nilly print money to prevent any bank from going into receivership which I think is a galacticly bad idea.
• Credit derivatives added to the problems by providing leverage and opacity. They increased people’s ability to borrow in hidden ways.
• There is a lot of debt in the system that is invisible. And banks themselves were often running invisible hedge funds. The legacy investment banks were running invisible hedge funds, but so were our major banks, and that includes JPMorgan, and Citigroup Bank of America.
• Collateralized Debt Obligations (CDOs) were overrated and overpriced the minute they came to market. If that wasn’t enough, investment banks were creating these things in their financial meth labs , knowingly selling things they knew or should have known were overrated and overpriced.
• In 2007 when it was clear that this activity should be shut down, because we had mortgage lenders failing throughout the country, instead of shutting down the financial meth labs, the investment banks sped up, they accelerated the bad deals they were bringing to market. Many of them were just phony securitizations with no other purpose than to hide losses.
• I was hopeful that when someone like Obama came in, there would be meaningful change. If anything, the situation has gotten worse. But this is bipartisan. You’ll notice that President Bush when he was in office, he elevated Roland Arnold who was the head of Ameriquest, that had been involved in alleged mortgage fraud, massive, sued by almost every state in the union, and he was elevated to the position of Ambassador to the Netherlands. The Netherlands did not even like it.
• This was not a model issue. This was a management issue. We had people who knew or should have known they were selling things that were value destroying securitizations, and their sale provided money to lenders were originating fraudulent loans, overrated by complicit rating agencies.”
ak,
Thankyou for your reply.
I apologise for any confusion – I was talking about the US, but I used the Sunshine Coast as an example as to how it is possible to have “crowding out” in an economy not running at full capacity.
Your excellent link to the economic performance of this region confirms this. Regional economies can perform quite differently to the nation – hence the blunt instrument of fiscal policy can cause unintended excess demand in some industries and regions, while other industries languish. So I guess we are in agreement.
I will just avoid debating NC economics with my brother for a few weeks and wait for some bad economic news…..nice to see some weak retail sales data though….:)
TITINT,
I agree.
After reading various stories about restrictions in the HK property market, I am now of the firm opinion that the best way to control the housing market and bubble is through regulation of bank lending standards and practices.
Including:
1. Minimum deposit requirements, say 20%.
2. Maximum income serviceability boundaries, 35% gross income.
3. All loan assessments are based P&I and on the average mortgage interest rate over the past 25 years, approx 9%.
4. All lending both occupier and investment is subject to the same lending standards and requirements.
This would ensure that housing speculation remains firmly within the markets and the borrowers capacity to service.
The RBA would then be free to completely disregard housing when looking at its decision making processes. They may then give more concern to the real problems facing the economy like reducing business investment etc.
I think at the moment people and the RBA are worried about conflicting readings in the economy and the RBA is struggling to deal with these complexities – whilst removing the housing issue may not make their decision making process any more robust it would remove one of concerns that they have been more vocal about in the past 6 months.
US Treasury meets with various Financial Bloggers;
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-j-panzner/treasury-officials-meet-w_b_344598.html
“MORE than 75 per cent of homeowners took advantage of low interest rates to add to their mortgage loan or take on other forms of debt, a new survey has found.”
http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,27753,26304289-31037,00.html
@TruthIsThereIsNoTruth (#82)
“Marco2,
I’m sure this is nothing new to most people but to clarify RBA believes around 4% is an expansionary level and below that is emergency level. RBA believes around 4% is an expansionary level and below that is emergency level.”
According to this, from August 2007 and up to August 2008 (period during which interest rates were either increased or kept at 7.25%) was not an emergency period?
The emergency began in August 2008, when the RBA precipitously started reducing interest rates. I would suggest the RBA to revise its emergency definition.
“At the moment they are withdrawing from the emergency levels, if inflation was high they would be expected to go well above 4%”.
I see. So we are now at 3.50% and, at least among the pundits, a consensus is apparent that we aren’t staying put for too long. I suppose, then, this means we are entering an inflationary period in the very short run, not in 2011, as stated explicitly in the minutes of last month’s Meeting.
Still, considering that among “the most significant price rises this quarter [Sep-09] were for electricity (+11.4%) (…) water and sewerage (+14.1%)” [1], and electricity and water and sewerage tend to increase only sporadically, I fail to see the immediate urgency.
Then, again, I already failed to see how a 2011 forecast could have been made.
According to the Reserve Bank Act 1959 (a synthesis of which is contained in the RBA website), there is no indication that any of its three main legal duties is inherently more important than the other two:
“It is the duty of the Reserve Bank Board, within the limits of its powers, to ensure that the monetary and banking policy of the Bank is directed to the greatest advantage of the people of Australia and that the powers of the Bank … are exercised in such a manner as, in the opinion of the Reserve Bank Board, will best contribute to:
(a) the stability of the currency of Australia;
(b) the maintenance of full employment in Australia; and
(c) the economic prosperity and welfare of the people of Australia” [2]
Still, after reading the minutes and the media releases, one has a sensation that (b) is somewhat less important than (a).
The need to control this imminent inflation (that is, item a) certainly overrides the tradeables sector performance: “The Board noted that the rise in the exchange rate is likely to constrain output in the tradeables sector (…)” [3].
As a side note, I guess then the RBA might argue that this rise in the exchange rate (according to some pundits 27% since the end of 2008) has little relation, if any, with the rising interest rates [4].
And this decision to rise interest rates clearly overrides any further consideration to unemployment (that is, item b): “There have been some early signs of an improvement in labour market conditions. The rate of unemployment is now likely to peak at a considerably lower level than earlier expected” [5].
I don’t know if it is clear to anyone else, but I still stand by my original post: the rationale for the RBA actions is unclear and I can see no imminent inflation threat. But even if there was a threat of inflation, I still can’t see why it must override the search for full employment.
Cheers,
Marco <- without the 2, please
[1] ABS. CPI September Quarter 2009 Up 1.0%
October 28, 2009.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mediareleasesbyCatalogue/902A92E190C24630CA2573220079CCD9?Opendocument
[2] RBA: Overview of Functions and Operations.
http://www.rba.gov.au/AboutTheRBA/overview_functions_and_operations.html
[3] RBA. MEDIA RELEASE No: 2009-25
3 November 2009.
http://www.rba.gov.au/MediaReleases/2009/mr-09-25.html
[4] Davidson, Kenneth. Foreign speculation on our currency is a bubble set to burst.
SMH, October 26, 2009.
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/foreign-speculation-on-our-currency-is-a-bubble-set-to-burst-20091025-heo5.html
[5] RBA. Cited.
Steve,
Do you have a source for those figures in relation to the FHOB?
Im looking at data from the WA Department of Treasury and Finance which does not correlate with the data you have posted. See here: http://www.dtf.wa.gov.au/cms/uploadedFiles/_Treasury/Economic_Data/fhog_data_sept2009.xls?n=4820
If you have a source for your data that would be great.
Thanks,
Barry
Silly silly government. How foolish of them to implement a policy that drives the economy upwards, and achieves a multiplier effect of 50 to 1. If they had any sense at all they would have instead driven the economy into the ground and created a nice long recession. A depression even. What were they thinking? Damn fools! I want my depression you fools!
“Silly silly government. How foolish of them to implement a policy that drives the economy upwards, and achieves a multiplier effect of 50 to 1.”
Spoken like someone who dines out at taxpayer expense. For these parasites, the Govt’s policy is mannah from heaven.
Hi Shadow,
You got me thinking. On the surface you raise a good point. The government should try and prop everything up as long as it can, right? But how far do you take that?
Why prop up the price of houses? Aren’t cheaper houses better for everyone? I assumed your 50 to 1 was a reference to the FHOG. How much extra private debt has this policy further encouraged our people to take on without thinking?
Japan has been propping up for over 20 years. They still have rising unemployment and a looming catastrophe.
What if private debt levels are too high? What if propping up just kicks the can down the road? What if we can have less pain now? Isn’t that better than leaving it for our children to suffer? Like Japan has done! I would rather take the hit than have my kids suffer more than they need to.
Of course if I’m wrong. It’s better to never have the pain of debt. Just take all the consumption and never pay the piper. Somehow that just seems like a fantasy world to me.
Quote of the week. “Building approvals are still less than demand because people can’t afford housing, therefore prices can only go up.”
Just about says it all.
Can anyone explain to me why the GDP Price Deflator is so far out of whack with CPI the last two quarters?
I’m getting this from http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/subscriber.nsf/LookupAttach/1350.0Data+Cubes-28.10.095/$File/13500DO005_200911.xls
Table 3, cells H35 & H36, show this measure of inflation running at -1.4% and -2.2% (per quarter) respectively in the last two quarters. Am I interpreting this correctly?
GSM,
Let’s leave alone for a while what people think should be done to fix the debt problem. I will again try to explain the difference between what you think may happen if our government continues current policies and what Bill Mitchell thinks about it. My goal is to convince you to challenge him directly as it might be very interesting to see the arguments of both sides.
The point he is trying to make is that the neoclassical economics is incorrect when it comes to describing how the current monetary system works. He says that applying the same rules which were in force when currencies were bound to gold standard is plainly incorrect. It is not that Mitchell advocates money printing – he simply acknowledges that all our money has been already printed (created out of thin air) by the governments. Hence the name “fiat money”.
You have restated your view that buying back the bonds by creating money (what the government can always do) will lead to “our currency eventually vapourised and becoming worthless”. Because of that the government is trapped in a sovereign debt trap, has to pay back money borrowed with interests or become insolvent, etc.
The point Mitchell is trying to make is that this neoclassical theory is incorrect. The only side effects of buying back bonds from freshly created fiat money would be interest rates approaching zero and possibly currency devaluation as foreign investors will lose their incentive to subscribe to free lunch at our expense in the form of interests paid on bonds. He also thinks that if this policy is implemented gradually it doesn’t have to be very inflationary. We will not follow the path to destruction like Zimbabwe if the economy still has unused productive capacities – what is quite clear in the current deflationary environment. In Zimbabwe the destruction of productive capacities preceded the hyperinflationary meltdown. My experience from the short bout of hyperinfation in Poland in the late 1980-ties was exactly the same – you could not buy products for the money you were getting because of the relative lack of products.
The hyperinflation was throttled by introducing the special extraordinary tax on wages
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popiwek
There were multiple instances in the recent history when all the old money in a country was simply ditched and new money was introduced. The strongest Western European currency of the second half of the 20-th century – the Deutsche Mark – was conceived and born in exactly that way.
“The Deutsche Mark was introduced on 21 June 1948 by the Western Allies (the USA, the United Kingdom and France). The old Reichsmark and Rentenmark were exchanged for the new currency at a rate of 1 DM = 1 RM for the essential currency such as wages, payment of rents etc, and 1 DM = 10 RM for the remainder in private non banks credit balance, with half frozen. Large amounts were exchanged for 10RM to 65 pfennigs. In addition, each person received a per capita allowance of 60 DM in two parts, the first being 40 DM and the second 20 DM.
The introduction of the new currency was intended to protect western Germany from a second wave of hyperinflation and to stop the rampant barter and black market trade (where American cigarettes acted as currency).”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_mark
So the value of money is nothing objective and we don’t have to treat it as a kind of fetish. The Western Germans were able to rebuild the country in a few years time – because they knew how to do it and got some limited help.
BTW Mitchell is probably the last person to agree with the unsustainable policies increasing private debt like FHOG:
“So when the sector should have been reducing debt it has been increasing it. This suggests that the low interest rates were somewhat expansionary (given some of the changes were probably refinancing at lower rates). But how much extra pain the extra debt will now cause as rates rise is unknown. That is one of the problems of relying on monetary policy for anything – it is too uncertain. There are no acceptable models that can tell us the distributional and timing effects of a rate change.
But with so much debt still being held by the household sector I fear we are setting ourselves up for another dive as fiscal policy contracts under the immense pressure that will be brought to bear leading up to the next federal election sometime in 2010.”
http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=5813