Steve Keen’s Debtwatch No. 36 July 2009
It’s the Deleveraging, Stupid
Gentleman, you have come sixty days too late. The depression is over. – Herbert Hoover, responding to a delegation requesting a public works program to help speed the recovery, June 1930
“The past may not repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme” Mark Twain
In the last six months, the phrase “Green Shoots of Recovery” has entered the economic lexicon. It appeared to some observers that the global recession was coming to an end, while Australia itself was likely to barely feel its impact.
I would be as pleased as anyone if these “green shoots” were true harbingers of a genuine end to the economic downturn–not because I would enjoy being wrong for the sake of it, but because my expectations for the future are so bad that I’d prefer to see them not come to pass.
Unfortunately, on current data I expect that “green” is a better description of the knowledge level of those making the optimistic predictions, than of the colour of any budding economic recovery.
Of course, it could be argued to the contrary that many of those making such optimistic forecasts are highly trained professional economists, and not merely market commentators who migh have a vested interest in putting a positive spin on the news. This is true–but far from being a reason to trust these forecasts, it is yet another reason to be sceptical of them.
Almost every holder of a PhD in economics who works for a formal economic body like the Treasury, the RBA or the OECD has been deeply schooled in “neoclassical” economics, often without knowing that there is any other way of thinking about how the economy functions. They think they are simply “economists”, and anyone who objects to their analysis or models must be uneducated about economic theory.
In contrast, virtually all University Departments of Economics contain at least one economist who rejects neoclassical economics, and instead subscribes to a rival school–like Austrian, Marxian, Post Keynesian, or Evolutionary Economics.
These contrarian academic economists often disagree amongst themselves, sometimes vehemently–you couldn’t get two more opposed points of view than Austrian and Marxian economics, for example–but they tend to be united in regarding neoclassical economic theory as pompous drivel.
There are probably many reasons for this dichotomy between University economics departments which almost always have a handful of dissidents, and official economics bodies like the OECD and Treasury that are almost exclusively staffed by neoclassical economists. But I suspect the main reason is tenure: universities offer it, while formal economic advisory bodies don’t.
As a result, academic economists who “turn feral” and reject neoclassical economics can still teach and publish and hang on to their jobs, even if their neoclassical Department Heads wish they would go away. OECD and Treasury economists who do the same thing probably find their employment coming to an end–because they don’t have tenure.
So anything published by a formal economic body like the OECD will be the product of a neoclassical economic model–and therefore, in my opinion and that of a sizable minority of academic economists, drivel (there was one exception–the Bank of International Settlements [http://www.bis.org] while Bill White [http://www.bis.org/about/biowrw.htm], a supporter of Hyman Minsky’s “Financial Instability Hypothesis”, was its its Economic Adviser).
Of course, disputes between academic economists don’t matter in the real world, and most newspapers report the announcements of bodies like the OECD as statements of wisdom about the future–until, that is, a crisis like the Global Financial Crisis makes a mockery of the OECD’s neoclassical fantasies.
And what a mockery. This was the OECD’s forecast for the world economy in June 2007:
EDITORIAL: ACHIEVING FURTHER REBALANCING
In its Economic Outlook last Autumn, the OECD took the view that the US slowdown was not heralding a period of worldwide economic weakness, unlike, for instance, in 2001. Rather, a “ smooth” rebalancing was to be expected, with Europe taking over the baton from the United States in driving OECD growth.
Recent developments have broadly confirmed this prognosis. Indeed, the current economic situation is in many ways better than what we have experienced in years. Against that background, we have stuck to the rebalancing scenario. Our central forecast remains indeed quite benign: a soft landing in the United States, a strong and sustained recovery in Europe, a solid trajectory in Japan and buoyant activity in China and India. In line with recent trends, sustained growth in OECD economies would be underpinned by strong job creation and falling unemployment. (OECD Economic Outlook, Volume 2007/1, No. 81, June 2007, p. 7)
Yeah, right. Instead the global economy was already well into the greatest economic crisis of the last 60 years. The next two years tore the OECD’s 2007 forecasts to shreds.
One might hope for some soul searching as a result of this–and hopefully some is occurring behind closed doors. But in a clear sign that the OECD hopes to see “Business as usual” restored in its modelling approach as well as the actual economy, its current Economic Outlook discusses the process of recovery from an economic crisis that it completely failed to foresee:
EDITORIAL: NEARING THE BOTTOM?
OECD activity now looks to be approaching its nadir, following the deepest decline in post-war history. The ensuing recovery is likely to be both weak and fragile for some time. And the negative economic and social consequences of the crisis will be long-lasting. Yet, it could have been worse. Thanks to a strong economic policy effort an even darker scenario seems to have been avoided. But this is no reason for complacency; the need for determined policy action remains across a wide field of policies…
In summary, it looks as if the worst scenario has been avoided and that OECD economies are now nearing the bottom. Even if the subsequent recovery may be slow such an outcome is a major achievement of economic policy. But this is no time to relax — ensuring that the recovery stays on track and leads towards a long-term sustainable growth path will call for major policy efforts going forward. (OECD Economic Outlook, Volume 2007/1, No. 81, June 2009, pp. 5 & 7)
With its utter failure to see this crisis coming, why does anyone still take the OECD seriously? Probably for the same reason that people still generally obeyed the Captain of the Titanic after it had struck the iceberg: authority counts for a lot in a crisis, even if the person in authority actually caused it.
But it’s also because it takes repeated failures before someone who asserts authority is rejected–one failure alone won’t do. So rather like Napoleon in exile in Elba, the OECD is still taken seriously by economic commentators–as with Peter Martin’s report (“Late in, early out of the downturn”, SMH June 24th 2009):
AUSTRALIA is set to soar out of its economic downturn sooner and more sharply than forecast in the budget, according to forecasts from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development understood to have the backing of the Australian Treasury.
The OECD says the local economy should shrink 0.3 per cent this year, less than any other OECD economy and far less than the contraction of 1 per cent that underlies the forecasts in the May budget.
Next year the economy should roar back 2.4 per cent, also above budget forecasts and more than any other OECD economy apart from those recovering from collapse in 2009.
The Treasurer, Wayne Swan, greeted the forecasts released overnight in Paris as evidence Australia was “outperforming every other advanced economy in the face of the recession”.
The forecasts show Australia’s unemployment rate reaching 7.9 per cent late next year rather than the 8.25 to 8.5 per cent range assumed in the budget.
A little scepticism in this report would have been appreciated, given the OECD’s track record–and if a political journalist had written the report, that might well have occurred. But it was written by an economics correspondent, and most of them have–like the OECD’s economists–been schooled only in neoclassical economics, and don’t know how flimsy the theory itself is (there are exceptions here, like Brian Tookey whose book Tumbling Dice is an excellent critique of neoclassical economics). So we get a report like this trumpeting good times and green shoots, with no irony (Peter Martin was far from the only one to present the OECD’s views without any scepticism–see also “Earth-destroying bomb defused – just” by Michael Pascoe [http://business.smh.com.au/business/earthdestroying-bomb-defused--just-20090625-cxj7.html] or Glenn Dyer at Crikey “That’ s no green shoot, that’ s Australia in full bloom: OECD” [http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/25/thats-no-green-shoot-thats-australia-in-full-bloom-oecd/]).
Clearly it will take a few more economic failures before the OECD faces its Waterloo.
To be fair, official economic bodies and their uncritical fans were not the only source of “green shoot” euphoria. A large part of this feeling that the worst was over also came from the global experience of a recovery in stock markets from their recent lows. In addition, Australia had a near unique dose of greenery when unemployment remained remarkably benign, and it avoided the popular definition of a recession by recording growth in real GDP in the March 2009 quarter (real GDP rose by 0.4%, having fallen by 0.5% in the preceding quarter).
Let’s look first at the Stock Market.
The Dow has indeed had an impressive rally, from the low of 6547 on March 9 to the peak of 8799 on June 12–a rise of 34% in under a quarter of a year. This has led to many of the usual suspects proclaiming that the bear market is over, and a new rally is underway. Comparisons with 1929 are, of course, unjustified…
On closer inspection, reports of the death of the bear market are somewhat exaggerated.
Firstly, though the index has rallied by 34% from its low, it is still down 40% from the all time peak of October 2007.
Secondly, rallies like this came and went ad nauseam in the early 1930s, until the market hit rock bottom at 41.22 points on July 8th 1932–89% below the September 3rd 1929 peak of 381.17.
The biggest such rally occurred very soon after The Crash in 1929, starting on November 13th 1929 when the market was down 48% from its September peak. It then rose almost 50% from its low in under 6 months–and it was this recovery that inspired Hoover’s Oval Office gaffe.
But the market had only recovered half of what it had lost when the rally ran out of steam–a 50% fall followed by a 50% recovery still leaves you 25% below where you started from–and the inexorable slide of the Great Depression dragged the market down with it.
This current rally took a lot longer to start than its 1929 cousin, though it began from a comparable bottom (55% below the peak versus 48% below it in 1929), and it still has to go on for much longer and drive the market much higher to match its antecedent–let alone to proclaim the 2007 Bear Market is over (note also that Eichengreen and O’ Rourke, using global data, argue that the current decline is far worse than in the Great Depression, with global markets down 50% on average 12 months after the crisis versus just 10% down after 1929–see Figure 2 in http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/3421).
Meanwhile, in the Real World…
Though the stock market was providing some good cheer in the USA (at least until last week), the real economy continued to disappoint. To get an idea of just how bad the downturn has been, and how little inkling of it that conventional economists had, consider the Economic Report of the President, prepared by the US President’s Council of Economic Advisers (http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/cea/]), in 2008 (http://www.gpoaccess.gov/eop/2008/2008_erp.pdf) and 2009 (http://www.gpoaccess.gov/eop/2009/2009_erp.pdf).
The 2008 Report made the following forecasts–note in particular the “forecast” that unemployment would be below 5 percent between 2008 and 2013.
The 2009 Report, submitted to Congress and the incoming President in January of this year, made a mockery of the 2008 Report but still drastically underestimated the severity of the downturn: it forecast that unemployment would peak at 7.7% in 2009, growth would remain positive for the next five years.
Despite the frequency with which numerous economists who failed to anticipate the Global Financial Crisis continue to report sightings of “green shoots of recovery”, the actual economic data continued to be grimmer than even their most pessimistic revised forecasts.
The clearest evidence here is that the Federal Reserve’s “stress tests” for its Supervisory Capital Assessment Program assumed that even under an adverse scenario, unemployment would be below 9 percent by mid-2009. It is currently 9.4 percent (see http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nSTO-vZpSgc/Siv54tjgl3I/AAAAAAAAGPo/7HhtUF998Q0/s400/unemployment+projections.png):
The tapering process that is built into neoclassical economic forecasts (see http://www.phil.frb.org/research-and-data/real-time-center/survey-of-professional-forecasters/2009/survq209.cfm) is not evident in the data to date.
Deleveraging and Economic Breakdown
The reason that most economists continue to underestimate this downturn is because (a) the downturn is being driven by deleveraging from literally unprecedented levels of private debt, and (b) the neoclassical theory of economics, which dominates academic and market economics alike, ignores the role of private debt in the economy.
The reason that I anticipated this crisis four years ago is that I reject the mainstream “neoclassical” approach to economics, and instead analyse the economy from the perspective of Hyman Minsky’s “Financial Instability Hypothesis”, in which private debt plays a crucial role. In our credit-driven economy, demand is the sum of GDP plus the change in debt. If debt is low relative to GDP, then its contribution to demand is relatively unimportant; but if debt becomes large relative to demand, then changes in debt can become THE determinant of aggregate demand, and hence of unemployment.
That is manifestly the case in America today. Under the stewardship of neoclassical economics in the personas of Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke, the growth in private debt has not merely been ignored but has actively been encouraged, in the dangerously naive belief that the private sector is being “rational” when it borrows.
This apparent indictment of the private sector as therefore “irrational” is in fact really an indictment of neoclassical economics for abuse of language. What neoclassical theory means by the word “rational” is “able to correctly anticipate the future”–which is the definition, not of rationality, but of prophecy.
There is nothing “irrational” about being unable to predict the future–it is fundamentally uncertain, while modern economic theory hides from this reality just as Keynes’s contemporary economic rivals did in the 1930s when he wrote that:
I accuse the classical economic theory of being itself one of these pretty, polite techniques which tries to deal with the present by abstracting from the fact that we know very little about the future. (Keynes, “The General Theory of Employment”, Quarterly Journal of Economics 1937)
Instead, in the uncertain world in which we live, the private sector necessarily speculates about the future–and some of those speculations will be wrong. The role of regulation and government economic policy should be to confine those speculations, as much as is possible, to productive pursuits rather than gambles about the future path of asset prices–a pasttime that has always in the past led to Ponzi asset bubbles.
This time, with government policy driven by neoclassical economics and its deluded attitudes towards the future, policy has actually encouraged the private sector to borrow to indulge in two giant Ponzi Schemes–the stock market and (belatedly) the housing market. It has gambled with borrowed money that share and house prices would always rise faster than consumer prices.
That gamble worked for some decades, but it then failed–in 1987-89. Had the Greenspan Fed not intervened then to “rescue” Wall Street, there is every possibility that the US would have experienced a mild Depression then–mild because the level of debt was lower then that at the time of the Great Depression (165% in 1989 versus 175% in 1929), and crucially because the rate of inflation then was high (5% in 1989 versus 0.5% in 1929).
The lower level of debt would have meant that less deleveraging would have been required to return to a predominantly income-financed economy in 1989 than was required in the 1930s, while high inflation would have meant a lower likelihood of deflation during the Depression itself, and possibly that inflation alone could have eroded the debt burden. It still would not have been pretty–certainly it would have been worse than the 1983 recession, when unemployment as it is currently defined peaked at 10.8 percent.
But what we face now will be far worse, because deleveraging from the now unprecedented debt level of almost 300% of GDP will drive America into a Depression that could easily be deeper than that of the 1930s.
This is already becoming apparent in the data, as economic historians Barry Eichengreen and Kevin O’ Rourke have pointed out (see “A Tale of Two Depressions” at http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/3421):
To sum up, globally we are tracking or doing even worse than the Great Depression, whether the metric is industrial production, exports or equity valuations. Focusing on the US causes one to minimise this alarming fact. The “ Great Recession” label may turn out to be too optimistic. This is a Depression-sized event.
The comparison of unemployment rates (which Eichengreen and O’ Rourke didn’t make) bear this out: using the current OECD definition of unemployment, this downturn is well ahead of the 1979 recession even though unemployment started from a lower level; and using the much broader U-6 definition (see www.bls.gov; http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t12.htm), which is more strictly comparable to the NBER definition used during the Great Depression, unemployment now is as bad as at the same stage of the Great Depression, and increasing as rapidly.
Deleveraging is already extreme: the most recent flow of funds data shows that private debt is falling rapidly and therefore subtracting from aggregate demand rather than adding to it. As noted in earlier Debtwatch Reports, in the modern debt-dependent economy, changes in the demand financed by changes in private debt are strongly negatively correlated with the unemployment: when debt’s contribution to demand falls, unemployment rises.
The turnaround in debt growth in the USA is unprecedented in the post-WWII period. Even during the 1980s and 1990s recessions, debt continued to grow both in nominal terms and as a percentage of GDP. Now debt is falling at arate of almost US$2 Trillion a year (which equates to 14 percent of GDP).
This is why the crisis exists, is so much worse than the official economic forecasters expected, and will continue and be much deeper than they currently believe: the crisis is being driven by deleveraging, and neoclassical economists do not even include private debt in their models.
As noted in earlier Debtwatch Reports, there is a very strong link between the rate of growth of debt and unemployment: when debt grows more quickly, unemployment falls; when debt grows slowly or falls, unemployment rises.
This is not because debt is a good thing, but because our economies have become so debt-dependent that changes in debt now have a far stronger influence on economic activity than do changes in GDP.
The US Government is attempting to “pump-prime” its way out of trouble by public-debt-financed deficit spending, which raises three further issues:
this so-called Keynesian remedy can work when private debt levels are relatively low, and government policy to attenuate private speculation is strictly adhered to (see my 1995 paper Finance and Economic Breakdown);
however, in our rampantly speculative economies, this policy has only worked when it has re-started the private debt binge, resulting in rising debt levels over time;
this can’t happen this time around, because all sectors of the private economy–businesses both real and financial, and households–are already debt-saturated. There is no “greenfields” group to lend to, as was possible in 1990 when household debt was a “mere” 60% of GDP, and the derivatives market in finance had yet to explode; and finally
the scale of the private debt bubble os just too big to be countered by substituting public debt for private debt.
This last point is evident in the data. Even though the US government has thrown the proverbial kitchen sink at government spending, the increase in public debt (which adds to aggregate demand) is more than counteracted by private sector deleveraging (which subtracts from aggregate demand):
Total US Debt is therefore falling. Though in the long run this is a good thing–we must return to a non-debt-dependent economy and once we have gotten there, stay there–the transition will be as pleasant as Cold Turkey is for a heroin addict.
“Gentleman, you have come sixty days too late. The depression is over.” - Herbert Hoover, responding to a delegation requesting a public works program to help speed the recovery, June 1930
“The past may not repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme.” Mark Twain
In the last six months, the phrase “Green Shoots of Recovery” has entered the economic lexicon. It appeared to some observers that the global recession was coming to an end, while Australia itself was likely to barely feel its impact.
I would be as pleased as anyone if these “green shoots” were true harbingers of a genuine end to the economic downturn–not because I would enjoy being wrong for the sake of it, but because my expectations for the future are so bad that I’d prefer to see them not come to pass.
Unfortunately, on current data I expect that “green” is a better description of the knowledge level of those making the optimistic predictions, than of the colour of any budding economic recovery.
Of course, it could be argued to the contrary that many of those making such optimistic forecasts are highly trained professional economists, and not merely market commentators who migh have a vested interest in putting a positive spin on the news.
This is true–but far from being a reason to trust these forecasts, it is yet another reason to be sceptical of them.
Almost every holder of a PhD in economics who works for a formal economic body like the Treasury, the RBA or the OECD has been deeply schooled in “neoclassical” economics, often without knowing that there is any other way of thinking about how the economy functions. They think they are simply “economists”, and anyone who objects to their analysis or models must be uneducated about economic theory.
In contrast, virtually all University Departments of Economics contain at least one economist who rejects neoclassical economics, and instead subscribes to a rival school–like Austrian, Marxian, Post Keynesian, or Evolutionary Economics.
These contrarian academic economists often disagree amongst themselves, sometimes vehemently–you couldn’t get two more opposed points of view than Austrian and Marxian economics, for example–but they tend to be united in regarding neoclassical economic theory as pompous drivel.
There are probably many reasons for this dichotomy between University economics departments which almost always have a handful of dissidents, and official economics bodies like the OECD and Treasury that are almost exclusively staffed by neoclassical economists. But I suspect the main reason is tenure: universities offer it, while formal economic advisory bodies don’t.
As a result, academic economists who “turn feral” and reject neoclassical economics can still teach and publish and hang on to their jobs, even if their neoclassical Department Heads wish they would go away. OECD and Treasury economists who do the same thing probably find their employment coming to an end–because they don’t have tenure.
So anything published by a formal economic body like the OECD will be the product of a neoclassical economic model–and therefore, in my opinion and that of a sizable minority of academic economists, drivel (there was one exception–the Bank of International Settlements while Bill White, a supporter of Hyman Minsky’s “Financial Instability Hypothesis“, was its its Economic Adviser).
Of course, disputes between academic economists don’t matter in the real world, and most newspapers report the announcements of bodies like the OECD as statements of wisdom about the future–until, that is, a crisis like the Global Financial Crisis makes a mockery of the OECD’s neoclassical fantasies.
And what a mockery. This was the OECD’s forecast for the world economy in June 2007:
EDITORIAL: ACHIEVING FURTHER REBALANCING
“In its Economic Outlook last Autumn, the OECD took the view that the US slowdown was not heralding a period of worldwide economic weakness, unlike, for instance, in 2001. Rather, a “ smooth” rebalancing was to be expected, with Europe taking over the baton from the United States in driving OECD growth.”
“Recent developments have broadly confirmed this prognosis. Indeed, the current economic situation is in many ways better than what we have experienced in years. Against that background, we have stuck to the rebalancing scenario. Our central forecast remains indeed quite benign: a soft landing in the United States, a strong and sustained recovery in Europe, a solid trajectory in Japan and buoyant activity in China and India. In line with recent trends, sustained growth in OECD economies would be underpinned by strong job creation and falling unemployment.” (OECD Economic Outlook, Volume 2007/1, No. 81, June 2007, p. 7)
Yeah, right. Instead the global economy was already well into the greatest economic crisis of the last 60 years. The next two years tore the OECD’s 2007 forecasts to shreds.
One might hope for some soul searching as a result of this–and hopefully some is occurring behind closed doors. But in a clear sign that the OECD hopes to see “Business as usual” restored in its modelling approach as well as the actual economy, its current Economic Outlook discusses the process of recovery from an economic crisis that it completely failed to foresee:
EDITORIAL: NEARING THE BOTTOM?
“OECD activity now looks to be approaching its nadir, following the deepest decline in post-war history. The ensuing recovery is likely to be both weak and fragile for some time. And the negative economic and social consequences of the crisis will be long-lasting. Yet, it could have been worse. Thanks to a strong economic policy effort an even darker scenario seems to have been avoided. But this is no reason for complacency; the need for determined policy action remains across a wide field of policies…”
“In summary, it looks as if the worst scenario has been avoided and that OECD economies are now nearing the bottom. Even if the subsequent recovery may be slow such an outcome is a major achievement of economic policy. But this is no time to relax — ensuring that the recovery stays on track and leads towards a long-term sustainable growth path will call for major policy efforts going forward.” (OECD Economic Outlook, Volume 2007/1, No. 81, June 2009, pp. 5 & 7)
With its utter failure to see this crisis coming, why does anyone still take the OECD seriously? Probably for the same reason that people still generally obeyed the Captain of the Titanic after it had struck the iceberg: authority counts for a lot in a crisis, even if the person in authority actually caused it.
But it’s also because it takes repeated failures before someone who asserts authority is rejected–one failure alone won’t do. So rather like Napoleon in exile in Elba, the OECD is still taken seriously by economic commentators–as with Peter Martin’s report (“Australia’s downturn to be shorter than expected“, The Age June 25th 2009):
“AUSTRALIA is set to soar out of its economic downturn sooner and more sharply than forecast in the budget, according to forecasts from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development understood to have the backing of the Australian Treasury.
The OECD says the local economy should shrink 0.3 per cent this year, less than any other OECD economy and far less than the contraction of 1 per cent that underlies the forecasts in the May budget.
Next year the economy should roar back 2.4 per cent, also above budget forecasts and more than any other OECD economy apart from those recovering from collapse in 2009.
The Treasurer, Wayne Swan, greeted the forecasts released overnight in Paris as evidence Australia was “outperforming every other advanced economy in the face of the recession”.
The forecasts show Australia’s unemployment rate reaching 7.9 per cent late next year rather than the 8.25 to 8.5 per cent range assumed in the budget.”
A little scepticism in this report would have been appreciated, given the OECD’s track record–and if a political journalist had written the report, that might well have occurred. But it was written by an economics correspondent, and most of them have–like the OECD’s economists–been schooled only in neoclassical economics, and don’t know how flimsy the theory itself is (there are exceptions here, like Brian Tookey whose book Tumbling Dice is an excellent critique of neoclassical economics). So we get a report like this trumpeting good times and green shoots, with no irony (Peter Martin was far from the only one to present the OECD’s views without any scepticism–see also “Earth-destroying bomb defused – just” by Michael Pascoe or Glenn Dyer at Crikey “That’ s no green shoot, that’ s Australia in full bloom: OECD“).
Clearly it will take a few more predictive and policy failures before economic journalists realise that with the global financial crisis, neoclassical economics–and hence the OECD–is facing its intellectual Waterloo.
To be fair, official economic bodies and their uncritical fans were not the only source of “green shoot” euphoria. A large part of this feeling that the worst was over also came from the global experience of a recovery in stock markets from their recent lows.
The Dow has indeed had an impressive rally, from the low of 6547 on March 9 to the peak of 8799 on June 12–a rise of 34% in under a quarter of a year. This has led to many of the usual suspects proclaiming that the bear market is over, and a new rally is underway. Comparisons with 1929 are, of course, unjustified…

On closer inspection, reports of the death of the bear market are somewhat exaggerated.

Firstly, though the index has rallied by 34% from its low, it is still down 40% from the all time peak of October 2007.

Secondly, rallies like this came and went ad nauseam in the early 1930s, until the market hit rock bottom at 41.22 points on July 8th 1932–89% below the September 3rd 1929 peak of 381.17.
The biggest such rally occurred very soon after The Crash in 1929, starting on November 13th 1929 when the market was down 48% from its September peak. It then rose almost 50% from its low in under 6 months–and it was this recovery that inspired Hoover’s Oval Office gaffe.

But the market had only recovered half of what it had lost when the rally ran out of steam–a 50% fall followed by a 50% recovery still leaves you 25% below where you started from–and the inexorable slide of the Great Depression dragged the market down with it.
This current rally took a lot longer to start than its 1929 cousin, though it began from a comparable bottom (55% below the peak versus 48% below it in 1929), and it still has to go on for much longer and drive the market much higher to match its antecedent–let alone to proclaim the 2007 Bear Market is over (note also that Eichengreen and O’Rourke, using global data, argue that the current decline is far worse than in the Great Depression, with global markets down 50% on average 12 months after the crisis versus just 10% down after 1929–see Figure 2 here).
Meanwhile, in the Real World…
Though the stock market was providing some good cheer in the USA (at least until last week), the real economy continued to disappoint. To get an idea of just how bad the downturn has been, and how little inkling of it that conventional economists had, consider the Economic Report of the President, prepared by the US President’s Council of Economic Advisers, in 2008 and 2009.
The 2008 Report made the following forecasts–note in particular the “forecast” that unemployment would be below 5 percent between 2008 and 2013.

The 2009 Report, submitted to Congress and the incoming President in January of this year, made a mockery of the 2008 Report but still drastically underestimated the severity of the downturn: it forecast that unemployment would peak at 7.7% in 2009, growth would remain positive for the next five years.

Despite the frequency with which numerous economists who failed to anticipate the Global Financial Crisis continue to report sightings of “green shoots of recovery”, the actual economic data continued to be grimmer than even their most pessimistic revised forecasts.
The clearest evidence here is that the Federal Reserve’s “stress tests” for its Supervisory Capital Assessment Program assumed that even under an adverse scenario, unemployment would be below 9 percent by mid-2009. It is currently 9.4 percent. The tapering process that is built into neoclassical economic forecasts is not evident in the data to date.
Deleveraging and Economic Breakdown
The reason that most economists continue to underestimate this downturn is because (a) the downturn is being driven by deleveraging from literally unprecedented levels of private debt, and (b) the neoclassical theory of economics, which dominates academic and market economics alike, ignores the role of private debt in the economy.
The reason that I anticipated this crisis four years ago is that I reject the mainstream “neoclassical” approach to economics, and instead analyse the economy from the perspective of Hyman Minsky’s “Financial Instability Hypothesis”, in which private debt plays a crucial role. In our credit-driven economy, demand is the sum of GDP plus the change in debt. If debt is low relative to GDP, then its contribution to demand is relatively unimportant; but if debt becomes large relative to demand, then changes in debt can become THE determinant of aggregate demand, and hence of unemployment.
That is manifestly the case in America today. Under the stewardship of neoclassical economics in the personas of Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke, the growth in private debt has not merely been ignored but has actively been encouraged, in the dangerously naive belief that the private sector is being “rational” when it borrows.
This apparent indictment of the private sector as therefore “irrational” is in fact really an indictment of neoclassical economics for abuse of language. What neoclassical theory means by the word “rational” is “able to correctly anticipate the future”–which is the definition, not of rationality, but of prophecy.
There is nothing “irrational” about being unable to predict the future–it is fundamentally uncertain, while modern economic theory hides from this reality just as Keynes’s contemporary economic rivals did in the 1930s when he wrote that:
“I accuse the classical economic theory of being itself one of these pretty, polite techniques which tries to deal with the present by abstracting from the fact that we know very little about the future.” (Keynes, “The General Theory of Employment”, Quarterly Journal of Economics 1937)
Instead, in the uncertain world in which we live, the private sector necessarily speculates about the future–and some of those speculations will be wrong. The role of regulation and government economic policy should be to confine those speculations, as much as is possible, to productive pursuits rather than gambles about the future path of asset prices–a pasttime that has always in the past led to Ponzi asset bubbles.
This time, with government policy driven by neoclassical economics and its deluded attitudes towards the future, policy has actually encouraged the private sector to borrow to indulge in two giant Ponzi Schemes–the stock market and (belatedly) the housing market. It has gambled with borrowed money that share and house prices would always rise faster than consumer prices.
That gamble worked for some decades, but it then failed–in 1987-89. Had the Greenspan Fed not intervened then to “rescue” Wall Street, there is every possibility that the US would have experienced a mild Depression then–mild because the level of debt was lower then that at the time of the Great Depression (165% in 1989 versus 175% in 1929), and crucially because the rate of inflation then was high (5% in 1989 versus 0.5% in 1929).

The lower level of debt would have meant that less deleveraging would have been required to return to a predominantly income-financed economy in 1989 than was required in the 1930s, while high inflation would have meant a lower likelihood of deflation during the Depression itself, and possibly that inflation alone could have eroded the debt burden. It still would not have been pretty–certainly it would have been worse than the 1983 recession, when unemployment as it is currently defined peaked at 10.8 percent.

But what we face now will be far worse, because deleveraging from the now unprecedented debt level of almost 300% of GDP will drive America into a Depression that could easily be deeper than that of the 1930s.
This is already becoming apparent in the data, as economic historians Barry Eichengreen and Kevin O’ Rourke point out in “A Tale of Two Depressions“:
“To sum up, globally we are tracking or doing even worse than the Great Depression, whether the metric is industrial production, exports or equity valuations. Focusing on the US causes one to minimise this alarming fact. The “ Great Recession” label may turn out to be too optimistic. This is a Depression-sized event.”
The comparison of unemployment rates (which Eichengreen and O’ Rourke didn’t make) bear this out: using the current OECD definition of unemployment, this downturn is well ahead of the 1979 recession even though unemployment started from a lower level; and using the much broader U-6 definition, which is more strictly comparable to the NBER definition used during the Great Depression, unemployment now is as bad as at the same stage of the Great Depression, and increasing as rapidly.

Deleveraging is already extreme: the most recent flow of funds data shows that private debt is falling rapidly and therefore subtracting from aggregate demand rather than adding to it. As noted in earlier Debtwatch Reports, in the modern debt-dependent economy, changes in the demand financed by changes in private debt are strongly negatively correlated with the unemployment: when debt’s contribution to demand falls, unemployment rises.
The turnaround in debt growth in the USA is unprecedented in the post-WWII period. Even during the 1980s and 1990s recessions, debt continued to grow both in nominal terms and as a percentage of GDP. Now debt is falling at arate of almost US$2 Trillion a year (which equates to 14 percent of GDP).

This is why the crisis exists, is so much worse than the official economic forecasters expected, and will continue and be much deeper than they currently believe: the crisis is being driven by deleveraging, and neoclassical economists do not even include private debt in their models.
As noted in earlier Debtwatch Reports, there is a very strong link between the rate of growth of debt and unemployment: when debt grows more quickly, unemployment falls; when debt grows slowly or falls, unemployment rises.

This is not because debt is a good thing, but because our economies have become so debt-dependent that changes in debt now have a far stronger influence on economic activity than do changes in GDP.
The US Government is attempting to “pump-prime” its way out of trouble by public-debt-financed deficit spending, which raises 4 further issues:
- this so-called Keynesian remedy can work when private debt levels are relatively low, and government policy to attenuate private speculation is strictly adhered to (see my 1995 paper Finance and Economic Breakdown);
- however, in our rampantly speculative economies, this policy has only worked when it has re-started the private debt binge, resulting in rising debt levels over time;
- this can’t happen this time around, because all sectors of the private economy–businesses both real and financial, and households–are already debt-saturated. There is no “greenfields” group to lend to, as was possible in 1990 when household debt was a “mere” 60% of GDP, and the derivatives market in finance had yet to explode; and finally
- the scale of the private debt bubble is just too big to be countered by substituting public debt for private debt.
This last point is evident in the data. Even though the US government has thrown the proverbial kitchen sink at government spending, the increase in public debt (which adds to aggregate demand) is more than counteracted by private sector deleveraging (which subtracts from aggregate demand):

Total US Debt is therefore falling. Though in the long run this is a good thing–we must return to a non-debt-dependent economy and once we have gotten there, stay there–the transition will be as pleasant as Cold Turkey is for a heroin addict.


July 4th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Hi Steve
Another great (and disturbing) post on deflation and debt.
At least people here know where we are heading.
Even mainstream like Yahoo Finance are now starting to pick up on the problem.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/MOUNTAIN-OF-DEBT-Rising-debt-apf-3665768070.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=
July 4th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
I had some naive idea that growth estimates were estimates, the sort of things generated by models that looked at the economic parameters, used some differential equations and predicted forward. Seems like what an engineer would try to do. Maybe you can’t project too far into the future but the models can be refined, and they might actually suggest some ways in which economic activity can be encouraged. Making them up appears a lot easier but a lot less useful.
Michael Pascoe should be moved to the humour sections.
July 4th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Dear Steve,
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Thought I would like to be the first one to congratulate you on your gold medal
http://www.businessday.com.au/business/for-predicting-the-slump-just-a-few-get-medals-20090703-d7vr.html
It is just deserved, now they better mint and issue it soon one will hope. For the silver and bronze, maybe is should rather not have been awarded this year.
July 4th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Steve,
This must be one of the most important papers that you have written – at least in presenting your analyses to a lay audience. The prognosis is absolutely terrifying.
Yet, if you are wrong, no-one will unduly suffer anything more than a small loss of income from being too cautious.
On the other hand – if, as I believe, you are correct – then millions of Australians will be suckered into losing their chances of a comfortable retirement (through devastating losses in the casino stock market) and many, many young people risk becoming debt slaves for life by buying property at precisely the wrong time.
I do feel that it is incumbent upon you to get this work published in major media outlets or, at least, to submit it in a public way (such as declaring your submission on this forum) to ensure that future apologists cannot claim that they had no idea.
Enjoy the rest of your trip in Europe then get to work when you return.
July 4th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
I can offer a little empirical evidence of the state of the Australian job market. I took a year off to have fun and have just re-entered the work force. The upshot, I’m working in a lesser role than I am qualified for at 2/3 my previous pay. Applicants to positions at my level number 50 to 60 (Tech Officer Electronics 20 years in the game). The last job received applicants from all over Australia the Pacific and South Asia. Applicants included PhD engineers and University lecturers!
As you can imagine I am very bearish.
July 4th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Could this be the solution to to the global Financial Crisis? (from Global view)
In a small town on the South Coast of France, holiday season is in full swing, but it is raining so there is not too much business happening. Everyone is heavily in debt.
Luckily, a rich Russian tourist arrives in the foyer of the small local hotel. He asks for a room and puts a Euro100 note on the reception counter, takes a key and goes to inspect the room located up the stairs on the third floor.
The hotel owner takes the banknote in a hurry and rushes to his meat supplier to whom he owes €100.
The butcher takes the money and races to his supplier to pay his debt.
The wholesaler rushes to the farmer to pay €100 for pigs he purchased some time ago.
The farmer triumphantly gives the €100 note to a local prostitute who gave him her services on credit.
The prostitute goes quickly to the hotel, as she was owing the hotel for her hourly room use to entertain clients.
At that moment, the rich Russian is coming down to reception and informs the hotel owner that the proposed room is unsatisfactory and takes his €100 back and departs.
There was no profit or income. But everyone no longer has any debt and the small townspeople look optimistically towards their future.
July 4th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
tata1,
This won’t work because there are people who are net debtors and there are people who are net creditors.
July 4th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Max Keiser at it again (4 part series). I don’t think there was a link to this posted before. Some interesting comments from Obama’s economic campaign adviser. The rest was quite funny I thought.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTrcOMZLb2Q&NR=1
July 4th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
O No, Property prices do not double very year
See Justin Fox author of The myth of the rational market on the Jon Daily show.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=232247&title=Justin-Fox
July 4th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
This may be of interest to some. It’s the level of debt of the US state by state. Updated June 2009.
No wonder California is handing out IOU’s
State Budget Troubles Worsen
http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2009/07/04/debtwatch-36-july-2009-its-the-deleveraging-stupid/#comment-12308
What I find amazing is that if 10 months ago you had have said to the very people running around saying ‘it’s all over’, , that GM and Chrysler would be bankrupt, Iceland, Possibly Ireland, that BA would be asking employees to work for nothing that California would be handing out IOU’s they would have had you certified.
This link: http://futronomics.blogspot.com/2009_07_01_archive.html
A trader who believes that the current rally on the markets is just being maintained by the banksters buying each other.
“It is a classic example of a ponzi scheme. Goldman sells to Morgan for $1, Morgan sells to Merrill (BAC) for $2, Merrill sells to Citi for $3, Citi sells back to Goldman for $4. They all show a profit – until, of course, Goldman can’t find a greater fool to pay $5 and the whole thing collapses. And it will collapse. The only question is when.”
Sound Familiar?
And this interview with Joseph Stiglitz basically saying what Michael Hudson has been saying has been going on with all the tarp money and the cover ups.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQRKB7IyfTw
Steve may have the Economic Gold for last financial. As mentioned above, I wouldn’t banking on the organisers paying up this time next year.
July 5th, 2009 at 1:33 am
Steve,
Thanks for another great debtwatch report, as always!
My questions, in case you are willing to address any of them, are:
1. Do you know why in the Fed Flow of Funds report the “D.2 Borrowing” figures show borrowing contracting (as you have shown) yet “D.3 Debt Outstanding” shows total debt still growing as of Q1 2009? Since I can’t find definitions the only explanation I can think of is possibly off-balance sheet debt returning to balance sheets and adding to D.3 numbers (without reflecting an actual increase in debt).
2. Do you have any sense for at what point the rate of debt reduction (currently near US$2 trillion per year and increasing fast in your graphs) might stabilize (or reverse)? Do you have any data for this during the Great Depression?
3. Will this point (when rate of debt reduction stops increasing) reflect the worst stage of the crisis, after which things should very slowly start to improve? (Social outcomes of the crisis aside.)
4. Would a flat level of debt contribution to demand (let’s say stabilized at negative US$4 trillion per year) imply that change in unemployment level and change in GDP might both potentially stabilize as well (in rough terms)?
5. Do you think there is any way for policy response to reduce the peak rate of debt reduction even if debt reduction will take longer as a result, other than by adding to public debt, and if so, do you have any ideas for how? (Clearly additions to public debt have so far slowed the change in total US debt but I understand you do not expect this to solve anything).
July 5th, 2009 at 3:03 am
I have a few problems with the relation: Demand = GDP + Change in debt
1. GDP is heavily manipulated (see http://www.shadowstats.com/article/gross_domestic_product). That “Australia dodged a recession” headline was hilarious.
2. Change in debt includes compounded interest, which does not represent additional demand – in fact it probably reduces demand since someone with such an increasing debt burden would (or at least should) demand cash over other goods to deleverage.
3. Change in debt could include money used towards GDP, which means that some amounts would be counted twice. If I borrow $10 to buy a sandwich, then debt increases by $10, as does the “Consumption” component of GDP. However, demand would increase by $20 according to this relation. This is wrong.
4. Expanding this, if I borrow $10, lend it to my brother, he lends it to his friend, who buys a sandwich, then $30 of debt has been created, but only $10 of actual demand (new money), which is already accounted for in GDP. The relation above would show $40 of demand.
I’m not saying that change in debt has no role in demand – especially since many asset transactions aren’t included in GDP. But I think this relation is oversimplified and the magnitude is overstated.
Gary North, an Austrian school economist/historian, is absolutely convinced that inflation, and probably hyperinflation, is inevitable in the US. His primary reason for this is that the Fed has only just begun creating new money, and will continue monetizing assets at an increasing pace as the economy worsens.
There is no reason why this couldn’t be expanded to include stocks, corporate bonds, etc. held by every Joe Shmoe. Hong Kong did it in the 1998, got damn lucky, and turned a nice profit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_crisis#Hong_Kong). I don’t think that kind of luck is floating around today, especially for the biggest debtor nation in history, but this doesn’t mean they won’t try. Hubris is rampant. This is the textbook path to hyperinflation.
North also thinks that banks will have no choice but to lend, especially as their assets/liabilities ratios continue to decrease due to deleveraging, defaults, and increased savings. Lending and bailouts are the two processes by which banks stay in business. If the bailouts stop, the banks must eventually lend. If the bailouts continue, that means more money printing. Both scenarios are inflationary, especially if the banks use the bailouts to buy assets.
He doesn’t count out deleveraging, but sees it as a temporary phenomenon that will end at some point. When it does, all of that monetary inflation will make its way out into the real world. I think this pretty much sums up the Austrian position on the deflationary spiral.
“Ten Questions for Deflationists”
http://www.garynorth.com/public/5119.cfm – This is a bit of a polemic, but he explains his thoughts clearly.
Personally, I’m expecting more price deflation (stock market crashes) before any lasting inflation occurs. In fact I think one factor that could make the next crash worse is that we have a precedent this time. The bears can point to 1932 as the charts here show, and any further bear market rallies will have trouble gaining and holding support. As the venerable Bush quipped, “Fool me once… fool you… uh… won’t get fooled again.”
However, if the Fed wants to maintain current nominal price levels (and inflate away US Sovereign debt), they have the means to do it. The question is whether they will have the means to undo it.
July 5th, 2009 at 3:36 am
Steve
I want to thank you for educating me on the prevailing global bias in economic doctrine. For more than 20 years I analyzed equity markets but neglected to invest time to understand macroeconomics as I ought to have.
Ive been following your posts for several months and reviewing the evolution of your commentary over a longer period.
The strength and credibility of your analysis leaves this reader intensely interested in your economic projections for the next 5 to 10 years. Perhaps Ive missed it, but have you published a forecast for the timing and level of the trough in US and global GDP? What is your forecast for the trajectory of US and global GDP from the trough? When do you forecast US unemployment to peak, and at what level as defined by the official stats?
In any event, all power to you, and I will look forward to your future commentary.
July 5th, 2009 at 6:11 am
Very disturbing article.
Can you please explain why countries don’t take what is the “obvious” solution.
Problem – too much debt created through Ponzi like banking practices.
This would not matter if debt was not equated to money. That is as the debt bubble deflates so the supply of money contracts. That is, we have a system where to increase the money supply we increase debt. When the money supply contracts so economic activity decreases. However, creating more money through more debt does nothing to decrease the need for deflation.
Solution – Break the nexus between debt and money. Find a way to increase the money supply without increasing debt and in a way that does not increase inflation.
Implementation – Give everyone in society some new money but require them to invest it in ways to increase goods and services.
Another problem – Global warming.
Solution – Massive investment in ways to reduce green house gases.
Implementation – Give everyone in society some new money but require them to invest it in ways to reduce greenhous gases.
July 5th, 2009 at 7:12 am
In the very interesting (entertaining) Justin Fox interview mentioned above, amongst other things he stated.
1. Simple regulation is needed.
2. We came out of the 30’s depression with a world war.
I agree that simple regulation is needed. If it is too complicated it will not work very well. I disagree that we need to have a war to find something on which to spend money.
Remove the regulation that allows banks to lend money they do not already have. That is, unless a bank has money on deposit it cannot lend money (remove fractional reserve banking). So this can now be the simple regulation which most people thought happened anyway. Banks cannot lend money unless they have it to lend.
This then begs the question where does the money come from to be lent? Well as people pay back loans then money will be deposited in the bank and we can increase the money supply by GIVING people money to invest in ways of producing more goods and services. http://tinyurl.com/lmyk8m
There is no need to stimulate spending by building things to blow up other productive assets. We can increase production by ensuring that the newly printed money that was given – not loaned – adds to productive capacity rather than decreasing it.
Some say giving money away will increase inflation. Of course it would if we just printed money but we can put restrictions on newly printed money and not allow it to be spent on consumption or existing assets. We can require that newly printed money be spent on building or buying new productive assets which produce goods and services that can be purchased with the money printed.
Inflation is caused by what we spend money on – not how much we spend. If we invest it in ways to increase the supply of goods and services then it will not increase inflation because there is now more to buy.
The current system favours the formation of asset bubbles. What I am suggesting will result in the formation of new assets. Read this blog entry on how difficult it is to get investment for new productive innovation and how the approach suggested above can bring such investment.
http://cscoxk.wordpress.com/2009/06/18/a-strategy-for-investment-in-innovation/
July 5th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Congrats on another great Debtwatch Steve.
Anybody interested in the Aussie housing market and recent policy may be interested in this current thread on Bubblepedia.
http://www.bubblepedia.net.au/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=7&comments_parentId=2240
July 5th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Steve (or others),
Do you have a reference for where this underlying data comes from? Specifically, I’m interested in the numbers for total private debt. I’m in the US, but I’m sure someone else out there is interested in worldwide data, Australian data, etc. A link to raw data would be ideal.
My follow-up question is this. The above charts seem to imply (although they cover a timespan of many years) that private debt to GDP ratio in the US is still increasing. However, you also show that US private debt is now decreasing. So, that would imply that GDP is shrinking faster than private debt, to keep the debt:GDP ratio elevated.
Is that correct? Is US GDP really contracting rapidly? The news in the mainstream media generally publish data that say total US GDP contraction so far has only been 4 or 5%. That doesn’t seem to mesh with the charts on this page. I’m just trying to reconcile the available information. Thanks.
July 5th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Joe B,
Gary North is fundamentally wrong as the data contradicts him.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/current/h6.htm
He believes in money multiplier suddenly starting to multiply money injected to the system but “money multiplier” or rather creation money by credit is not working during the deflationary phase of the cycle. Does he understand that?
Another reason why he is wrong is that he thinks banks have to lend out deposits to make profit. True provided that they are not investment banks. Money can be invested in shadow bubbles directly by the banks rather than lent. They do all the dodgy stuff even if they shouldn’t because they can.
Yet another reason why he is wrong is than banks do not need to make the profit at all – they have to show “some” temporary profit to enable bonuses being paid to the executives but the system is so opaque the banks will be bailed out during the next phase of the crisis again when they show true losses in let’s say 2 years time.
Regarding inflation and deflation I believe we will end up having such a mess you’ll not be able to describe the reality using these terms unless they are redefined and clarified. (And what the Austrians define as inflation is not the same as in other schools of economics).
Can we create such a mess? “Yes we can.”
July 5th, 2009 at 9:54 am
“Demand = GDP + Change in debt” holds water if you include time. If we imagine a very simple model of economy working in fortnightly cycles (people are paid at the end of each cycle for what they made during the cycle and can spend or save money during the next cycle)
Demand_cycle_n+1 = GDP_cycle_n + change_in_debt_cycle_n
You don’t eat your sandwich twice.
However all the neoclassical economics is based on the assumption that there is no time since time messes up they equations.
Your observation that compounded interests do matter is valid. Especially in 2007 in the US this might have been the final straw which broke the camel’s back.
July 5th, 2009 at 10:09 am
cscoxs,
You sound like an engineer – I can smell that as I made the same career mistake. You are trying to solve real problems rather than make more money. Economists do not do such stupid things like solving problems.
We may start considering addressing the climate change when a cyclone hits Gold Coast.
http://www.bom.gov.au/lam/climate/levelthree/c20thc/cyclone3.htm
July 5th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Hi guys,
I am surprised at the constant flow of “new ideas” on how to fix the pending deflation or inflation.
99% of the population has virtually never heard of deflation. Nor do that 99% know they need a “fix” for the problem. Also 99% of the population thinks inflation means that the price of bread or milk has gone up. Once again, what problem?
There will be no fix until after the problem has become apparent. No government or popular movement is leading. Governments follow. When the next phase hots up. Watch how the “new policies” flow out by the day. Those “policies” will be powerless to stop the greatest deflation in the history of mankind.
Once deflation takes hold, that is when they will start working on a fix.
So all your great ideas are being wasted on the less than 1% that already know there is a problem.
I am going to repeat myself. The credit based system that we all labour under is deleveraging itself. That is deflation. The only “fix” is the deflation itself. The pain will be massive and the consequences very hard to predict.
The only thing that the 1% can do is try to get out of the way.
1. Get out of debt.
2. Sell shares, houses and hard assets.
3. keep cash in short term securities.
4. I am also concerned that many banks in many countries will not be able to honour their depositors’ funds.
5. Get ready for some of the best trading/investing opportunities in 100 years. But you will have to go against the flow.
6. If you have a good job, do not leave. If you think your industry is shaky, try to move to an industry that is needed.
Deflation is not only coming. It has begun.
July 5th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
n8r0n-
I think Steve’s data on changes in debt come from the Federal Reserve Flow of Funds report (Z1) (most recent is for Q1 2009). A lot of the summary data is in this subset of the report.
Your question relates to one I asked Steve above and have asked elsewhere previously to no avail — the discrepancy between D.2 (change in debt) and D.3 (total debt outstanding) in the Z1 report. It’s not clear to me whether the definitions are not as obvious as I think they should be, whether the data is unreliable, or whether some other factor is in play. For example it seems to me that defaults should reduce total debt (D.3) while having no impact on borrowing (D.2)… yet if you subtract the Q4 2008 total debt numbers from the Q1 2009 total debt numbers (via D.3) to obtain “change in total debt”, those values are higher than the borrowing (D.2) figures. So there must be another explanation. However, since the household numbers do match up perfectly (comparing D.2 to D.3), my best guess is perhaps it has to do with off balance sheet assets coming back on balance sheets, and that perhaps defaults are counted as a reduction in borrowing after all. Hmmmm. If true the net effect is that deleveraging surely is in full swing (as Steve describes) and that D.3 (total debt) is being inflated upwards as “hidden” debt is uncovered. Of course I could be completely wrong on this.
I think GDP contraction so far is in the ballpark you describe.
July 5th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Now tax payers are going to take on housing sector lending risks.
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25733806-913,00.html
July 5th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Since there is so much debt around, what would be the effect of converting it into equity, as Nassim Taleb suggested recently?
July 5th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
BTB,
The 10 trillion dollars that the Fed created out of thin air, where did it go?Is it just sitting in a bank keeping the vaults warm?I do not think so that money went to the counter parties of the OTC derivative bets.So that money is floating around in the system with no practical way to ever drain it from the system.
You say to hoard cash, i dont think so.Your dollars will not buy more of anything in the future it will only buy less and that is the reason why your paper should be exchanged for physical gold.
As you say once employment goes to 15%, house prices drop by 30%.People will lose confidence in their governments and once that happens a crisis of confidence occurs in the currency and then you have a hyperinflationary depression on your hands.Ask the people of Iceland or Zimbabwe what they think of gold and if they would rather hold short term treasuries?
BACK UP THE TRUCK AND FILL IT WITH PHYSICAL GOLD NOT PAPER GOLD AND YOU WILL REST ALOT EASIER THAN PRECHTER WHO HAS BEEN WRONG ON GOLD FROM $400 ALL THE WAY TO $1000, AND HE STILL HAS NOT LEARNT HIS LESSON.
July 5th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
BTB,
Also a note on the form of inflation coming, it has NOTHING whatsoever to do with consumer demand pull or wage cost push. It will be a currency related item producing hyperinflation in the midst of ugliest business conditions that we have ever seen.
These conditions have always been the result of quantitative easing where there is no practical method of draining this money from the system, regardless of a political situation, war or now management of perception economics.
July 5th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
elliottwave,
“People will lose confidence in their governments and once that happens a crisis of confidence occurs in the currency and then you have a hyperinflationary depression on your hands”
… and then you will deliver all your physical gold at $1170 per ounce to the Treasury once the old dormant law is activated.
July 5th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
AK,
That will never happen because all the counter parties that received their trillions from TARP now are the holders of the greatest amount of dollars and they will want that protected at all costs and that is the reason why gold will not be confiscated or any dormant treasury law enacted.It is not the gold bugs that will make the price of gold it is the bankers and all their connections that will want their hyperinflated dollars protected.Now do you finally understand who is behind the rise in gold?Not the gold bugs but the bankers with trillions of freshly printed toildet paper to protect.
July 5th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
dear hdl & n8r0n,
Yes, you’re correct, the aggregate debt figures and the change in debt don’t seem congruent, but they’re the figures the FRB records so I am obliged to use them. A notional reason for the discrepancy could be that the aggregate stock figures reflect accumulation of unpaid interest on present debt, while the flow figures look only at the rate of issuance of new debt versus the rate of cancellation of old debt. One of these days I hope to have the time to get into the detail of the Flow of Funds data in more detail to answer this one.
In the meantime, the bloke who probably does know this is Doug Noland of Prudentbear. He’s a good mate of mine (as someone here noted some time ago, Doug spent a year in Australia working on a PhD which he discontinued to get back to the markets prior to the 2000 crash), so I’ll pop a request for clarification his way when I get back from Europe.
July 5th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Hi n8r0n,
I think that the scale of reduction in output only has to be of the order of 5% for that effect to apply, since debt is 3 times GDP. A small change in the denominator can cause a larger result than a similar scale change in the numerator.
Also, when you add in deflation of roughly 1-2% on top of a 5% fall in real output, that reduces your denominator by 7%. So you’re going from 3/1 to (3-x)/0.93, where x is the fall in debt in nominal terms.
July 5th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Joe B,
From my limited understanding it seems that Gary North subscribes to an exogenous model of money creation, whilst Keen subscribes to an endogenous model of money creation.
Now I may have missed something but this:
“WHY BANKS WILL EVENTUALLY LEND…
Short-term, yes. A bank can hold excess reserves or vault cash, and pay depositors from the higher income on credit cards, consumer loans, and so forth. Long-term, no. The banks must lend to stay in business. The M1 money multiplier will go positive. Fractional reserve banking will then turn the central bank’s balance sheet into fiat money.”
Suggests that he believes in exogenous money, whilst Keen (Roving Cavaliers of Credit) makes the case that the money multiplier does not work and that the empirical evidence suggests otherwise:
“Two hypotheses about the nature of money can be derived from the money multiplier model:
1. The creation of credit money should happen after the creation of government money.
2. The amount of money in the economy should exceed the amount of debt, with the difference representing the government’s initial creation of money.
Both these hypotheses are strongly contradicted by the data.
Testing the first hypothesis takes some sophisticated data analysis, which was done by two leading neoclassical economists in 1990.
If the hypothesis were true, changes in M0 should precede changes in M2.
Their empirical conclusion was just the opposite: rather than fiat money being created first and credit money following with a lag, the sequence was reversed: credit money was created first, and fiat money was then created about a year later:
“ There is no evidence that either the monetary base or M1 leads the cycle, although some economists still believe this monetary myth. Both the monetary base and M1 series are generally procyclical and, if anything, the monetary base lags the cycle slightly. ”
Thus rather than credit money being created with a lag after government money, the data shows that credit money is created first, up to a year before there are changes in base money. This contradicts the money multiplier model of how credit and debt are created: rather than fiat money being needed to “seed” the credit creation process, credit is created first and then after that, base money changes.”
I hope this helps. Regarding the endogenous model, it is my initial readings there are numerous ‘schools’ of thought regarding endogenous money, these being: Structuralist, Horizontalist and Circuitist. The first two relate to the supply curve of credit creation (positive sloped curve and horizontally sloped) and I’m not entirely sure what position Circuitist take. From what I’ve read by Keen it appears that he is in this camp as well.
July 5th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
BTB and other deflationists
One aspect of this whole crisis that this website has overlooked and i believe is critical, is that this whole crisis has been engineered to happen.The bankers of wall street in conjunction with the FED have deliberately manufactured this depression to get themselves out of trouble.Wall street had painted themselves into a corner that they could not get out of, that was the 700 trillion dollar OTC derivative market that could not be reversed.
Now they deliberately let Lehman and Bear go under and that was the trigger that set off the bomb.Congress was held to ransom and paid up with freshly printed dollars and bowed to Wall st and played the whole world for fools.
Now that they had all their bad bets in OTC derivatives paid off, thanks to the publics money, the next problem they had to overcome is how to protect their toilet paper money freshly printed from thin air.
That is where gold comes into the equation.The Revitalized and Modernized Federal Reserve Gold Certificate Ratio will be tied to a reintroduction of M3. It will not be tied as in the pre-Bretton Woods Agreement. The treasury will have nothing whatsoever to do as the open market will do it for them.
Now I can state with total conviction that when the Federal Reserve Gold Certificate Ratio is reintroduced gold will trade $100 above and below this index gold price for many years to come. I anticipate this at gold around $2000.
Therefore, fear of a 1980 gold experience on the downside is no longer valid. I believe that the bankers of wall street are indeed gold’s best friends. As always, those close to power are going to make more on gold that the gold bugs ever will.
With the introduction of the revitalized Federal Reserve Gold Certificate Ratio and currency bands, gold will be supported by a peg and the Euro will not. When this unfolds in front of all the meatheads in the investment world, it will be seen that gold is a better investment than any currency.
July 5th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
BTB and other deflationists
Do not think for a minute that Bernanke and Paulson are idiots who have no idea what they were doing.These men are the sharpest minds in the world and for anyone to suggest anything to contrary, is showing ignorance.
July 5th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
elliottwave,
“Now I can state with total conviction that when the Federal Reserve Gold Certificate Ratio is reintroduced gold will trade $100 above and below this index gold price for many years to come. I anticipate this at gold $1,650.
See http://www.gata.org/node/6487,
July 5th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Hi everybody, this is a little off topic, but I was wondering what everyone is doing to minimise the losses you’re incurring in your super funds?
Everyone I know has taken a massive hit over the last year or so and I gather it’s only going to get worse with the deleveraging. What kind of strategies are you adopting for your super?
Thanks for hosting this fascinating blog and the many intriguing discussions!
July 5th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
GATA have nothing to do with it all this comes from the greatest financial mind that world will never now about,Jim Sinclair,GATA have the best intentions for gold bugs but they are light weights and are really just nuisance value, token commentary.
July 5th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Dartagnan14all
If you know all this why do you not inform the people on this website.It is your duty of care to at least publish the information as you are a reader of the website.Jim Sinclair has been a personal friend of mine for over 9 years and the knowledge that he has passed onto me is a gift to be shared.I could be selfish and keep all this to myself but that is not how society should work, maybe it does in your world but not in mine.
July 6th, 2009 at 1:04 am
Excellently explained with convincing graphs.
Although using the officially published unemployment rates shoes the same trend, don’t you think you’re lending credibility to a grossly understated measure? U6 and other measures peg unemployment/underemployment at almost double the published rate.
July 6th, 2009 at 1:06 am
Hi Eliiotwave,
Why didn’t gold skyrocket after 22 June?
Do you have a wave count to support your ideas?
Do you agree with or believe in the endogenous creation of money idea?
What about currency relativities? There cannot be hyperinflation everywhere! Do you just mean in the US? Because that would imply a much better trade would be to short US dollars and buy say $A or Euros.
July 6th, 2009 at 2:59 am
ak,
I think that time is necessarily included in measures of Demand, GDP, and d(Debt). Each of these quantities is measured over a period of time, say a quarter. So they are all in fact rates (or flows), with time in the denominator (although this cancels out in the relation if the periods are identical). I don’t think you can define Demand_n+1 from GDP_n and d(Debt)_n, because any changes in GDP and dept in future period n+1 will also affect Demand_n+1.
So I think this relation can only provide a retrospective measure – at the end of period n, you can say that Demand_n = GDP_n + d(Debt)_n (if this relation is true). But you can’t know the total demand for period n+1 until it has finished. You could make projections, but I don’t think this is Steve’s intent with this relation and data.
I’m curious to learn more about the source of the debt data. If change in debt doesn’t include interbank lending or over-the-counter lending (me lending to my brother) then most likely the situation I described in scenario #4 above would probably be negligible in terms of the data presented.
“You don’t eat your sandwich twice” – I think you’re agreeing with me here. I’m saying that only $10 of demand has been created by the loan, and when I buy the sandwich, it doesn’t create additional demand on top of the $10 that I just spent. You could probably argue that money velocity plays a part here too – the sandwich maker will then spend the $10 elsewhere, etc.
But this means that the relation is more complicated than Demand = GDP + d(Debt). This is all I’m trying to argue here – it’s oversimplified. It makes more sense to me to define aggregate demand in terms of MV = PQ = Demand in Dollars. This shows how many dollars were spent over the given period – the number of dollars in existence (“fiat” or “credit”) x the number of times each of those dollars were spent during the period.
Of course, the aggregates used to determine Velocity tend to rely on GDP, which means this relation would suffer from similar oversimplicifations. And the definition of money supply used is debatable as well. More on this later…
This is why I tend to be skeptical of aggregate statistics. There’s always more to the story.
July 6th, 2009 at 3:33 am
ak and Height,
First of all, I’ll refer to creation of new money (“fiat” or “credit”) as “Monetary Inflation” (Austrians) and increase in prices as “Price Inflation” (Everyone else). I think it’s worthwhile to explicitly make this distinction in any inflation debate, especially if any Austrians are hanging around.
I think Gary North views the money multiplier merely as an indicator of the scale of fractional reserve lending, which I agree with. Here’s a brief comment from him on the current multiplier situation: http://www.garynorth.com/public/5070.cfm
I couldn’t find this article yesterday, but it explains in more detail how and why he thinks the Fed will not allow mass deflation. Specifically, he says that at some point the newly printed money won’t just be going into vaults, it will be monetizing equities and other assets:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north722.html
I might propose this simple relation (which I’m sure isn’t original, but I don’t have a source):
Change in Money Supply = Change in Fiat Money (exogenous) + Change in Credit Money (endogenous)
While in recent history endogenous creation has been the dominant component in monetary inflation, the Fed has the same ability to create money out of thin air, and has shown that they are willing to do it. Do you think Obama wouldn’t love to announce a $2000 stimulus handout to every voter (a la Krudd) just before the 2010 congress elections? Or that the “Plunge Protection Team” wouldn’t start buying up equities once the Dow gets back down around 5000? Or that banks aren’t using bailout money to buy assets? These actions will put money directly into the hands of consumers. It might take a while to match the recent scale of FRB lending, but it can be ramped up to 1:1 with deflation caused by deleveraging without spooking treasury holders. This would theoretically prop up prices to maintain current levels.
However, if and when the deflationary forces eventually subsided, all of that new money would be there, ready to go, and once the banks want to lend, the Fed won’t be able (or willing) to stop them.
ak, I agree that if banks can profit from investment activities, they have less pressure to lend. But if they are buying assets, they are putting that cash into the economy, and this has the same effect as the Fed buying assets with new money.
—— (digression about the Austrian school )
This is less relevant to the discussion at hand, but I think it’s important to clarify the Austrian definition of money supply. I’ll probably get this wrong, but here’s a summary. True Money Supply (TMS) is defined as the amount of money immediately available for exchange:
TMS = Cash + demand deposits with commercial banks + government deposits with banks and the central bank
http://mises.org/content/nofed/chart.aspx?series=TMS
http://www.mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae3_4_3.pdf – This paper explains in detail, with explanations of why certain quantities are included or excluded.
It should be clear that this definition is intended to show the most immediate potential for price inflation.
So while the roving cavaliers may be able to create credit on a whim, it is not included in the money supply and can’t affect prices until it is actually lended and a deposit is created. If repayment of a debt moves the money from a demand deposit to bank reserves, that money is no longer included in TMS until it is relent. I think this definition agrees with the “Roving Cavaliers” model.
While Austrians make a big stink about the Fed, they make a bigger stink about fractional reserve lending. The Fed – and specifically the government’s support of it through legal tender laws, enable endogenous money creation. Whether fiat money creation comes before or after credit creation is somewhat irrelevant unless you’re trying to determine exact proportions at a given time. As long as banks know that the Fed will back them up, and the government will ensure the fed’s monopoly on money creation, they will create credit out of thin air. This is the moral hazard – passing off the costs to all holders of dollars. The FDIC is another moral hazard that passes the risk of a bank failure on to taxpayers, allowing banks to take greater risks with impunity.
Austrians generally view all FRB lending as fraudulent, unnecessary to drive investment, and a major cause of business cycles. Disallowing such fraud means less real credit is available during booms (because money is worth less) and more is available during busts (because money is worth more). This has the same dampening effect as “tax the boom/inflate the bust” without putting an ever increasing proportion of money into the government’s hands, encouraging corruption, and relying on a bunch of politician slimeballs to do the right thing. There are differences of opinion among Austrians as to whether this restriction requires government intervention or whether the free market would enact it through competition and hard money, but this is the basic premise.
—— (digression over)
In the whole inflation/deflation debate, I think it’s important to consider how different goods will respond in the current environment. While the aggregate trend may be deflationary, prices of certain goods can still inflate due to decreases in supply. I think deflation will be constrained to assets that have relatively fixed or increasing quantities (over the short term) – Real Estate, Equities, Bonds, Derivatives. They won’t be consumed. They will be sold to pay off debt. They’re all going down, unless the Fed takes drastic measures to prop up specific asset classes. I don’t think anyone with half a brain will really argue against this. It’s worth noting that Gary North was saying to short stocks back in February 2007 (sorry, I can’t find a link).
However, consumer goods such as food, energy, and some durable goods – the components of CPI – can still inflate in this environment. The main reason for this is that production is being cut back at all levels, as evidenced by increasing unemployment and decreasing capacity utilization. While substitutions can be made, on the whole and in the long run I think we won’t see big declines in prices of these goods – just declines in the quantities available. Once house prices have truly collapsed, a lot of people (renters) will have to spend less of their income on housing and can spend more on food. If they still have any income…
And what will Obama do when his bailed-out newspapers start printing about food shortages? Food stamps and subsidies! Print more money! Yes we can! Obama shall provide!
I think this is one reason why there is so much speculation in commodities right now, and why CPI hasn’t really plummeted along with deleveraging.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:57 am
Hi Joe B,
I think your theories rely to much on rationality ruling the day. For what you propose to work, most governments must inject just about the right amount of money into the system to avoid deflation. This is not going to happen because nobody, you included think we are going to have or having deflation.
If no one believes we are going to have deflation, why fight it? In fact most people are convinced inflation is the problem, therefore governments will “rationally” fight/fear inflation.
As the real world unfolds, then we will see the policy moves after the fact. If deflation unfolds governments may try to pump up fiat money (later). But by then money supply, asset prices and aggregate demand will already be destroyed. Along with it employment will be down for the count. Under this scenario, those looking for inflation will see their hard assets wiped out.
If inflation occurs (as you say), then the policies will move to pull the expansion rug out big time. But how can inflation occur as demand, employment and asset prices are crashing. What will cause demand to come back?
A good place to start looking is short term interest rates. While ever ST rates are low or zero the market is expecting no inflation. If short term rates start going over 5 or 6% start running for the deflation exits. At this stage deflation rules. Later, who can tell at this stage?
July 6th, 2009 at 8:59 am
BTB,
Fighting non-existing inflation now is putting a noose around our neck. Exactly because of this obsession there was >20% unemployment in Poland in 2003. I found a document from the Reserve Bank of Poland where it was argued that NAIRU = 14% at that time. Instead of reforming the system (for example they did nothing with 45% Social Security Tax paid by some groups of employees what discourages new jobs creation) they just increased interest rates to ridiculous values. But they overshot slightly and unemployment went up to 20%. The problem was solved when unemployed people left the country – currently it is about 10%. I also left because of the effects of that social dislocation – the atmosphere was so poisoned by Catholic populists that I couldn’t find a room in that society for myself any more.
When I have time I’ll find something in English about that.
The dire situation in Latvia is a direct consequence of not devaluing the currency. Another example of applying a bad theory.
I am not arguing for blind printing as it will sooner or later lead to another bubble rather than restart the productive economy. The system must be reformed.
But unemployment not inflation is the enemy number 1, dragging down the society. At least here in Australia we have prof Mitchell who disagrees with the official neoclassical rubbish:
http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/
I may not agree with him in everything but at least he can see and describe the real problem.
July 6th, 2009 at 10:55 am
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July 6th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
“Now that they had all their bad bets in OTC derivatives paid off, thanks to the publics money, the next problem they had to overcome is how to protect their toilet paper money freshly printed from thin air.”
US$700Trillion paid off…….ha!
where did you get that?
this may well have been the reason for manipulation on behalf of the banks and fed, but there is no way they knew the extent of it and there is not a chance this is even remotely paid off (if even this is the amount)
and thats the point, no one knows how much or who has the debt…..the banks dont trust each others balance sheets.
this is why we haven’t even begun with deleveraging.
July 6th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
I keep wondering if it is possible to avoid deleveraging. More and more public money works for a while, but eventually it will stop.
What got me thinking about this was a comment by Krugman about how after 7 or 8 years Roosevelt reduced the high public spending because of concerns about inflation, and caused the 1937 recession. Krugman seems to think that you need to keep stimulating and stimulating and eventually good things will happen. It doesn’t seem to be working for the Japanese. Standard economic excuse they didn’t stimulate long and hard enough. Somehow I don’t think economies work like football games.
Only world war 2 caused a recovery. Now maybe this was because public funds were now directed towards constructing manufacturing plant which is something that actually creates wealth, unlike the infrastructure programs. Nobody is likely to get a job in a school hall, which is what we are building now.
July 6th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
ken,
So what are they actually doing to stop deleveraging in Australia? Releasing f-hogs? Providing ute car dealers with cheap financing? Giving private schools infrastructure subsidies? Sending $900 checks to be spent on iPhone/plasma TV?
Obviously this may be slightly better than letting the economy collapse in a natural way but still not good enough.
Let’s start talking about real issues in phase 2 of the crisis: rebuild our manufacturing base, start investing in energy-efficient technologies, improve public transport in our cities, move away from the coal.
July 6th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
FERB
If you were in charge and you had the choice of deleveraging $700 trillion dollars or hyperinflating it away, which would you choose?Which is the more logical and practical solution?Years of pain or perhaps 2 or 3 years of pain and then restart again with a clean slate.
Please think logically and you will come to the conclusion that hyperinflation is what the big boys want and that is what they will get, wake up and stop thinking your dollars will buy more in the future.You are hoarding toilet paper while i am protecting my wealth with gold like all the bankers and their connections.
July 6th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
BTB,AK,FERB and all deflationists
Please explain to me how you think hyperinflation starts and what causes it?Then i can see if you are capable of understanding further knowledge that i will pass on to you.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
elliottwave,
I have already checked yesterday what further knowledge you want to pass on to me when you mentioned the name of Jim Sinclair
http://jsmineset.com/
“The dollar life expediency is 129 days.
I mean that. I believe that.”
https://www.kitcomm.com/showthread.php?t=45328
A bit more balanced views of the Chairman can be found there:
http://www.tanzanianroyaltyexploration.com/s/ChairmansCorner.asp
So please don’t waste your precious time on me as I understand quite well why gold needs to cost $2000.