AUSTRALIAN-RELATED LINKS:
Aussie Banks Addicted To Foreign Borrowing, Daily Reckoning, 18 Jun
“The deposit base of Aussie banks is ‘too low’. Aussie banks are over-reliant on offshore money. This entire situation is a ‘threat to economic recovery’. So it appears Aussie banks are addicted to foreign borrowing and are currently suffering from withdrawal symptoms… Australia’s property boom was bought with borrowed money. Both residential and commercial property values soared with the credit boom. If you think the banks are fine because they don’t have a subprime problem, think again. The banks have a property problem, and you can find it on the asset side of the balance sheet.” Well said. Our robust and conservative banking cartel hasn’t had to account for a property crash. Yet. Green shoots commentators claim that high unemployment is the only factor that may cause a dip in property prices, ignoring the role of the wholesale foreign funding required to keep the Aussie Ponzi scheme alive and kicking. We put ourselves in hock to foreign creditors to create the illusion of doubling or tripling house prices. Collectively, we are all the Greater Fool.
Jenman Property Report, 12 Jun
Brickbat alert as Jenman Fights Back! From the far reaches of the outer galaxy come claims that the FHOG is not that relevant in explaining why low-end property prices are holding up well and further claims that economists are naturally pessimistic. Oh yeah, that whacky Steve Keen better bloody well check his models as they don’t take into account emotional factors unique to the Australian psyche. Some people just don’t get it… like debtdeflation.com readers. Contributed by Peter.
Falling Housing Starts Leave Building Groups As Sick As A Brick, SMH, 18 Jun
“Figures showing a continued slump in housing activity in Australia in the March quarter have all but confirmed the upcoming full-year profit season is going to be ugly for companies such as Boral and Wattyl. Figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics for the three months to March 31 show a 24.7 per cent dive in housing starts compared to the previous year.”
New Housing Boom Set To Go Through The Roof, SMH, 18 Jun
Stop the press! Ignore that last link as it’s all set to go through the roof now! “As NSW recorded its lowest figures for construction of new homes, developers have predicted the worst is over and the state is on the verge of a housing boom.” When was the last time that the real estate industry said that it was a bad time to buy? “’There will be a boom,’ said Stephen Albin, chief executive of the Urban Development Institute of Australia.”
House Prices Tipped To Lift By 2012, The Australian, 14 Jun
Steve writes: “Soon as I read the headline I thought “This has to be another BIS Shrapnel report”…and sure enough… Incidentally, have BIS (or is that BS?) Shrapnel EVER been right with ANY of their supposed forecasts? Me thinks not.” Michael also noted that the Courier Mail also regurgitated the same data.
Home Buyers’ Stamp Duty Surprise, SMH, 16 Jun
Not so surprising. What to do when the first home cannon fodder has run out? “The Rees government will provide a $64 million boost to people buying new homes, cutting their stamp duty by half.” It reminds me of Freddie Mac – in the early days of the property boom the quasi-public sector body subsidised low-income minorities. By the end it was offering subsidised interest rates on Jumbo loans (greater than $500k) for upper-quartile income earners in California and other boom states.
Cash Rolls Into Real Estate Trusts, SMH, 19 Jun
Whose cash I wonder? There’s a “high level of demand from institutional investors”. Could that be your superannuation fund on the line? Or your future tax payments? If you look around and can’t spot the sucker in the room then he’s probably you.`
Business Borrowing Dives, Housing ‘Bubble’ Grows, ABC News, 15 Jun
Full-time media whore and part-time economist, Steve Keen, tells ‘em where it’s at: “We have been living in a bubble economy, and you don’t get out of the trouble caused by a bubble by making it grow even bigger.” In another celebrity appearance, Steve offers diet sound-bites on the deregulated banking system and follows up with a full-fat radio interview (business borrowing is down 70% and the business sector is battening down for a serious economic downturn).
Net Interest Margins Higher Than Before Global Financial Crisis, The Australian, 18 Jun
Never waste a crisis.
Plastic Less Fantastic As Credit Card Use Falls, SMH, 18 Jun
“’Despite early signs that the global economy is stabilising, consumers continue to remain cautious, shunning debt at every opportunity… Credit card lending is actually contracting in annual terms marking the weakest reading in since records were maintained 14 years ago.”
Mild Recession A Digression, Michael Stutchbury, The Australian, 18 Jun
Classic delusional thinking worthy of Charlie Aitken. “The big news of the past few weeks is that Australia’s recession looks much milder than the deep downturns of the early 1980s and 90s… We’re still not out of the danger zone given that the big fall in iron ore and coal prices is yet to fully hit. But the consensus now suggests the official budget forecasts of zero economic growth in 2008-09 and a 0.5 per cent contraction in 2009-10 are a touch too pessimistic.” “And, when the recession is over, the R-word itself might lose some of its scare-factor stigma.” “Recessions happen. The trick is to make sure the economy is in reasonable shape when they hit and manage them prudently.” Phew. All that worry for nothing.
Let The Gongs Sound For The World’s Greatest Treasurer, SMH, 16 Jun
Do you think this headline is tounge-in-cheek? Yes, I did too before I had the misfortune to read the story. He’d get a gong from me, “Hey Hey It’s Saturday” style. And while Swan is lauded China gives Rudd a bollocking for being a Keynesian dinosaur. Poor Kevin.
Worst Of Downturn Is Over: Economists, SMH, 19 Jun
This is getting boring. “’With the Australian economy avoiding a technical recession, defined as two consecutive quarters of negative growth, we think that the worst of the slowdown is over but expect weak growth to continue for most of 2009,’ Melbourne Institute research fellow Michael Chua said in the body’s latest monthly bulletin.”
GLOBAL ECONOMY / BANKING / FINANCE:
U.S. MBA Mortgage Applications Index Fell 16 Percent Last Week, Bloomberg, 17 Jun
“Mortgage applications in the U.S. fell last week to the lowest level since November as the jump in borrowing costs over the last month caused refinancing to plunge further.”
China’s Economy in Turmoil: Bubbles in a Downturn, China Stakes, 13 Jun
“There’s ice on the export side, while there’s flame on the real estate market side, and China’s effort to create internal demand is being distorted. China’s economic stimulus, which is bulldozing ahead, is causing problems for China’s economic recovery. Manufacturing is steadily declining, employment and consumption growth are weak, but bubbles are beginning to gather in the real estate industry.” Contributed by Hugh. More from China Stakes as “shrinking real estate sales are spreading, from Shenzhen northwards to Shanghai and Beijing”.
Foreign Investment In China Tumbles, The Age, 15 Jun
More gloom from Australia’s great red hope. “Foreign direct investment in China fell for an eighth month from a year earlier as companies cut spending to weather the worst economic slump since the Great Depression.” And they’ve raised their export tax rebates seven times this year (so far) after exports dropped 20% in the first quarter.
TrimTab’s CEO Provides Realistic View On the Economy, Zero Hedge, 18 Jun
Reality strikes back. CNBC interviewer: “The retail investor is back. Why is that such a contrary indicator? Why can’t the retail investor be signalling that this new money coming in is a positive?” Guest: “Well, they’ve always been wrong before… they invest with their eyes on the rear-view mirror and their foot on the gas and wonder why they crash regularly.” Unlike Wall St experts and superannuation fund managers. This 5 min video is well worth watching.
The Debt Conundrum Part 1, Seeking Alpha, 13 Jun
Good summary article highlighting the lunacy behind the current bear market rally. Examines what a “return to normal” means.
Crisis Of Faith For High Priests Of Rational Markets, FT, 15 Jun
“A new realisation has dawned among the most fervent advocates of financial analysis and collective investor wisdom – markets are not always rational… The British CFA recently asked its members for the first time if they trusted in “market efficiency” – and discovered that more than two-thirds of respondents no longer believed that market prices reflected all available information.” The other third were all working in academia.
Why Economists Failed to Predict the Financial Crisis, Wharton, 13 May
This is a bit rich coming from a major US business school but in these tough economic times we need to stay flexible. “”It’s not just that they missed it, they positively denied that it would happen.” “”The most remarkable fact is that serious people were willing to commit, both intellectually and financially, to the idea that housing prices would rise indefinitely, a really bizarre idea.” Contributed by Peter.
Big Banks Suffering As Subprime Mortgages Get Repaid, Market Skeptics, 13 Jun
Great story: “I can’t emphasize how much I am loving this development”. Also noted by Michael here.
Random Walk Down Madison’s Golden Mile, Zero Hedge, 13 Jun
A picture tells a thousand words. 18 pictures of closed store-fronts tell even more. Also see comments.
German Credit Crunch Deepens, Telegraph (UK), 14 Jun
“A DIHK survey of German industry, to be released this week and obtained by Der Spiegel, found that over a third of all large companies are still seeing credit conditions tighten further, if they can borrow at all. Terms are now tougher than they were at the height of the global crisis over the winter.”
The Crucifixion Of Latvia, Telegraph (UK), 14 Jun
Compares the collapse of Argentina in 2001 to poor old Latvia. Naomi Klein’s “Shock Doctrine” comes to mind here. For a much more in-depth and revealing look at these issues, see Michael Husdon’s piece on Iceland (or watch the 17 min video interview).
Idle Railroad Cars, Where Do They Go?, Mish Shedlock, 15 Jun
Zeitgeist watch. “The economic slump has idled about 70,000 Union Pacific railcars, now sidetracked wherever space can be found.” Ayn “Atlas Shrugged” Rand would be lying smugly in her grave bitching about how the government causing all this. I doubt she’s too fond of her number-one fan, Mr Greenspan.
Do the Treasury Proposals On Securitization Go Far Enough, Naked Capitalism, 16 Jun
“Credit became more dependent on securitization than many realize. By pretty much any metric, the role of banks relative to other players has declined since 1980, by some measures as much as a 50% drop in market share… in case you missed it, securitization has slowed down to a trickle.” “Going back to old-fashioned lending would require banks to have much larger balance sheets, hence more equity. The banks are having enough trouble coming up with enough capital to support their current footings that raising even more equity would seem to be a non-starter.”
Thai Exports Tumble the Most in at Least 17 Years, Bloomberg, 19 Jun
“Thailand’s exports fell the most since at least 1992 in May as the worst global recession since the Great Depression eroded demand for products. Shipments dropped 26.6 percent from a year earlier.” Worse than the 1997 Asian Crisis then.
Tracking Economic Recession and Recovery in America’s 100 Largest Metropolitan Areas, Brookings, June
Good source of data for US economic decline.
Consumer prices edge up in May; inflation in check, Yahoo Finance, 17 Jun
“Consumer prices rose less than expected in the month of May and posted the steepest annual drop in 59 year… fresh evidence that the recession is keeping inflation in check.” So deflation is now spun as “keeping inflation in check”. Tell that to Japan.
States In Deep Trouble Over Plunging Income Tax Revenues, Mish Shedlock, 18 Jun
US collapse watch. “Total personal income tax collections in January-April 2009 were 26 percent, or about $28.8 billion below the level of a year ago in states for which we have data. In April 2009 alone (April being the month when many states receive the bulk of their balance due or final payments), personal income tax receipts fell by 36.5 percent, or $18.2 billion.”
What’s Next For The US Economy, or What’s Left of It?, The Sanity Check, 11 Jun
A new post from an expert on financial corruption, one of the founders of the movement that exposed systematic naked short selling. “It’s ugly, folks. About as ugly as one could imagine… remember that predatory interests don’t really care whether economies or currencies get wrecked or not – they benefit mainly by massive volatility, in either direction, caused by their actions. They know the timing as they engineer the swings, thus are perfectly positioned to profit from everyone else’s loss.” I suggest you also read the comments in detail.
GEOPOLITICAL:
De-dollarization: Dismantling America’s Financial Military Empire, Michael Hudson, 13 Jun
Must-read link-of-the-week by one of the best GFC pundits. “When China and other countries recycle their dollar inflows by buying US Treasury bills to “invest” in the United States, this build-up is not really voluntary. It does not reflect faith in the U.S. economy enriching foreign central banks for their savings, or any calculated investment preference, but simply a lack of alternatives. ‘Free markets’ US-style hook countries into a system that forces them to accept dollars without limit. Now they want out.” “US interest-rate and tax reductions in the face of exploding trade and budget deficits are seen as the height of hypocrisy in view of the austerity programs that Washington forces on other countries via the IMF and other Washington vehicles.” “Foreigners see the IMF, World Bank and World Trade Organization as Washington surrogates in a financial system backed by American military bases and aircraft carriers encircling the globe.” Too many quotable quotes to list here…
BRICs May Buy Each Other’s Bonds in Shift From Dollar, Bloomberg, 16 Jun
In case you thought Hudson was making it all up. “Brazil, Russia, India and China are considering buying each other’s bonds and swapping currencies to lessen dependence on the U.S. dollar, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev’s top economic adviser said.” The next day Bloomberg poo-pooed this story by claiming that the return on US securities was higher than BRIC issued securities so they would be foolish to diversify. Nice try. More from MercoPress.
Current Account Trade Deficit Drops To $101.5B, Yahoo Finance, 17 Jun
“The deficit in the broadest measure of trade plunged sharply in the first three months of the year as the country’s deep recession depressed imports of oil and other goods… a 34.5 percent decline from the deficit in the fourth quarter. It was the lowest current account deficit since the final three months of 2001 when the country was mired in the last recession.” This has huge implications for the USD, as the current account deficit is plugged by foreign creditors buying US treasuries thereby propping up demand for the USD. Time for more QE.
April Net Foreign Sales Of Long-Term US Securities, WSJ, 15 Jun
Short but not so sweet. “Net foreign sales of long-maturity U.S. securities totaled $8.8 billion in April, following purchases of $36.5 billion the month before, according to a U.S. Treasury Department report released Monday. Meanwhile, the report shows that China, Japan and Russia – three large purchasers of U.S. Treasurys – all trimmed their holdings of U.S. debt.” See some meandering spin on the subject by Bloomberg.
USDA Deliberately Misleading Investors To Hide Looming Food Shortage, Market Skeptics, 17 Jun
MS has been writing about food shortages for months now. Is he right? I don’t know but it’s worth keeping in mind.
The Strange Inconsistencies Behind the $134.5B Bearer Bond Mystery, Underground Investor, 16 Jun
Probably the best article on this fantastic story so far. Other pundits think that they may be not be fakes but a way in which the US has unloaded debt sales on the sly.
Global Systemic Crisis In Summer 2009: The Cumulative Impact Of Three “Rogue Waves”, Leap2020, 17 Jun
If you think the other links are depressing then puck up and read this… “Because the origins of the crisis remain unaddressed, we estimate that the summer 2009 will be marked by the converging of three very destructive ‘rogue waves’ [massive unemployment, serial corporate bankruptcies, crash of USD, UST and STG], illustrating the aggravation of the crisis and entailing major upheaval by September/October 2009.” “These three waves do not appear in quick succession… they are even more dangerous because they are simultaneous, asynchronous and non-parallel. Hence their impact on the global system accentuates the risks because they hit at various angles, at different speeds and with varying strength. The only certain thing at this stage is that the international system has never been so weak and powerless to face such a situation.” Does anyone want to share the costs of a subscription?






June 20th, 2009 at 10:21 am
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June 20th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Worse to come for Australia – by Harry Dent.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25660536-3122,00.html
June 20th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
For me the real news is that there is no news. That the discussion has moved away from this site. Everyone is sleeping well while the Australian economy is slowly and steadily progressing along the trajectory towards depression.
My private gauge is the time I need to spend riding to work if I leave at 8 am. Nine months ago it was 1h 10min now it is about 1h (if it doesn’t rain). The explanation is simple – maybe the same number of cars but fewer trucks and vans on roads.
It is not the Elliot’s wave or fractals or Fibonacci series what describe the willingness of lambs to go to the slaughterhouse. Because the reality is too complex to describe using numbers people thought they can find a pair of parameters (the price and the volume) containing all the relevant information and based on that parameter make predictions. It may work well if you exclude a number of real-life scenarios.
I would argue that the mind state of investors which you try to predict using technical analysis is not what will determine the future of the economy.
Will you guys predicts from Elliot waves whether the Yanks take the bait dangled by North Koreans? (God knows who paid them to dangle by the way). Will you predict whether (or better: when) Ukraine gets back to the Russian sphere of influence? What impact on natural gas and oil prices these events will have? If oil costs USD100/barrel or USD150/barrel due to the next war in the Middle East (unfortunately quite possible) what impact will this have on the US economy? What if Iran has nukes? What if Iran collapses?
The same is relevant for gold.
Initially iron bars were also used as money:
http://www.celticcoins.com/pages/19104.html
The same kind of money was used in Slavic countries but I cannot provide a link. So why are you guys obsessed with just one commodity? Why aren’t you hoarding copper and iron bars in your backyards?
Copper went up more than gold as the Chinese have to invest in something and they’ll need a plenty of copper over the next couple of years.
I am not saying that possessing a small amount of gold or silver as an inflation hedge is a bad idea. I think that nobody can predict the future and USD can be dumped due to purely political (not economical) reasons at virtually any time what may trigger a bubble in gold. (Personally I think that this will not happen too soon).
But speculating that gold will soon cost AUD10000/ounce is in my opinion rather baseless regardless of how many Elliot waves you count.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Ak, hate to dissagree but i have4 noted a recent increase in trucks on the road to where i work (as i cycle i’m very aware of traffic). From what i can see the Australian economy isn’t in an overall recession because the consumption side of the economy is still strong. But this is totally reliant on interest rates (Aus’s subprime problem will become very apparent if interest rates increase)
Steve, have you had a chance to model the rate at which interest rates will cause the Australian economy to slide back into recession? I note on a historical note in the early 80’s interest rate (real) were close to 22% before economic activity slowed sharply in the late 80’s the had to hit 17%. In 07 they hit 9% and we had a domestic crisis (i don’t buy into the US crisis cause our recession).
I assume at decreaseing real incomes this rate will begin to tighen sharply.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
My compliments on a most useful aggregation of links, especially those with an Australian focus. If you can keep it up, you will certainly keep my attention.
Yes, I have been watching LEAP2020 and the GEAB for over a year now, and they do provide a worthwhile perspective. I think they have underestimated the stength of the US & other government response, so the crisis is not unfolding as quickly as they expected, but I take their longer term predictions seriously.
I find the bad English translation and the very French perspective offputting. Neverthesless I have considered a subscription, because in many ways they are a voice not otherwise heard.
June 20th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Matt,
I will try to get traffic data from the RTA.
Where do you live?
I have to ride the motorcycle 40 km along back roads mainly through Baulkham Hills and Hornsby (Sydney) as riding a pushbike is not a viable and safe enough option. Traffic jams have moved and look smaller.
Clearly vehicle registrations in Sydney are down.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/publicationsstatisticsforms/downloads/registration/stats_monthly_2009_registration.html
Sydney May 2008 new 19,509, 2nd hand establish 11,568
Sydney May 2009 new 15,295, 2nd hand establish 11,060
Building approvals (for Australia):
http://www.rba.gov.au/Speeches/2009/_Images/260309_so_graph10.gif
We may not have to wait for the interest rate increase.
June 20th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Hi guys,
I shouldn’t buy into the gold debate. I can’t help myself. I think the gold debate is off the point, but I keep getting sucked in. I am an interested observer. Who really cares if gold goes up or down? I do not understand the passion of the gold bugs. Sorry, don’t mean to offend or be inflammatory.
I saw the below linked story on Mish last night and am shocked that no one posted a link. Macca must be away on holidays. The link feeds right into the deflation thesis.
The story also calls into question my idea that the deleveraging hadn’t really started yet. The last set of numbers I saw, about 2 months ago showed no net deleveraging. The debt reduction numbers in the Mish post are massive. Have a read.
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/06/flow-of-funds-report-offers-hard.html
June 20th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
BTB,
I too have read Mish Shedlock’s latest. Ironically enough, I am starting to come around to your earlier-expressed view on gold (I have always agreed about the direction of the $US and the deflation scenario).
I now see your point rather vividly. We are seeing serious debt deflation beginning, and in a serious debt deflation investors swap everything else for currency.
Gold is included under ‘everything else’, but also – in an archaic sense – under ‘currency’.
If gold reverts to its old historical role as an alternative currency then future price movement depends on its ‘exchange rate’ with $US.
The question then becomes, what is gold worth as a currency against a rapidly deflating $US? And the answer seems inevitably to be ‘I dunno, but less than now’, doesn’t it?
Bill.
June 20th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
thanks for the link btb, been neglecting mish recently, must keep an eye on what he has to say
yes gold is a bit of an irrational obsession,
half the population seems to like wearing it, and other half, frantically wonder about the shopping malls of this nation staring into jewellry cabinets in order to keep the peace with the half wearing it.
but all joking aside
yes we have had massive asset deflation, but we havnt seen deflation in the asset class of gold. not of any significance.
this is partly due to the rebound in the stock market which has led to weakness in the greenback, so the currency value of gold has gone up.
gold may deflate when the greenback goes up again, when the stock market collapses again, probably later this year. but im betting it will rise while the green back is rising also.
when the guano hits the fan with the stock market, money is going to be parked in greenbacks and gold, more greenbacks than gold.
the overwhelming driver of the gold price for the forseeable future is going to be psychology, and dr phil isnt going to be unemployed anytime soon.
but as steve i think has pointed out previously, he always expected the credit crunch to come second half of 2009 .
but will the crunch come, given the propensity of the government to
June 20th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
sorry i need to improve my editing ,please disregard the last 3 lines, thats for another day
June 20th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
hi bob,
my suspicion is that the weakness in th US dollar is due to the rebound in the stock market.
when the market crashes , the dollar asset class will rebound. if the dollar rebounds and demand for gold holds steady or drops off , yes then we will see deflation in the gold asset class . but i think we could see the dollar go up strongly and gold go up less strongly. this will depend on how the relative weightings turn out. investors will tend to weight towards cold hard cash .
others can correct me if im wrong, but gold has always tended to lag when there is a rush towards extreme liquidity. always the bridesmaid never the bride. but still worth dating!
we’ll see,
i may have to take up an all egg diet later this year if none of this pans out and i end up wiping bucket loads of it off my face.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Ak,
I ride through a major industrial / distribution area in south west Brisbane each day.
I noted that there was a very sudden slow down in Feb and Mar. But over the last few months i have noted an increase in the number of heavy vehicles on the road.
Happy to believe registration data, but in terms of trucks a more telling point is to look at average fleet age.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
As always, this economist is worth a laugh…
http://www.businessday.com.au/business/fractured-system-left-us-banks-vulnerable-20090619-crab.html
By my reckoning the “300 droppped jaw Americans” were not astounded by the “Australian System” as much as they were astounded at the mind boggling stupidity of the Australian economist in question.
The 70% of USA homeowners who borrowed at a 30 year 5 – 6% fixed rate could not service their mortgage debt on a 5.5 X wage house price.
Australia is in a far worse position with houses at 7 X wages and the majority of mortgages are floating interest rate debt…
Australian mortgage interest rates will soar at the sniff of money printing inflation, unlike the USA where the majority of mortgage holders have their interest rate locked in.
What an idiot…
June 20th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
The USA Case-Shiller median house price is presently roughly 3.75 X wages and USA mortgage rates are 5.5% fixed for 30 years…
What on earth makes Australians think they are immune from the same ‘reversion to the mean’
You don’t need a PhD in economics to observe ‘the facts’ as they unfold at the domestic household level in the USA.
7 X wages ($420,000 houses at $60,000 wage) for 797 houses sold by private treaty in Melbourne today as reported by the REIV, and a 5.5% variable interest rate mortgage.
It’s like ‘Cinderella at the ball’ in this Melbourne housing market… it’s minutes to midnight… when the clock strikes 12:00… it’s all ‘Pumpkins and mice’
June 20th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
PETER_W,
I’ve been keeping close track of the Case-Shiller index in the US, and Australia’s equivalent of Nigel Stapledon’s house price index.
There is also another good US price index, created by the economist Thomas Lawler, who has called Shiller’s methodology into question. The Case-Shiller index is a measure of house prices in 20 US capital cities. Stapledon’s index gathers data from 8 Australian capital cities, which are all of them. I would think that the AU index is more accurate than the US index because of this.
I am eager to get the latest ABS house price data for the second quarter of this year. The peak of the housing bubble in AU was 2008 Q1 (March). When the ABS data is released, I will update Stapledon’s index – no doubt it will show a deepening decline.
There are three primary causes of the AU housing bubble: (1) financial deregulation, (2) negative gearing, and (3) FHOG. I’m sure there may be more factors.
You can really see the utter incompetence of the economics profession as 10-12 out of 15,000 professional economists in the US saw the $US8 trillion housing bubble. Same here in Australia.
The only professional economists I know of in Australia that has professed knowledge of a serious housing bubble is Steve Keen and Nigel Stapledon. I wonder if other blog members know of more and can provide a reference (article, report, etc) as proof.
Being a renter, it will be great to see the streets lined with foreclosure and for sale signs. I live in a middle-upper class suburb in Melbourne (Glen Iris), and houses in surrounding streets have been selling for $500,000 – $1,000,000 each over the last few years, some even more. Talk about bubble proportions.
Yahoo Real Estate is a laugh to look at. You can find 6 bedroom/3 bathrooms houses for under $US10,000 in some regional areas. I have heard of houses being given away for the cost of the paperwork. According to the Case-Shiller index, the US bubble still has another 40% to deflate.
The green shoots mainstream media coverage is utter crap. Any lingering doubts about a US recovery should be demolished by looking at this graph of mortgage resets – it says it all: http://patrick.net/housing/contrib/resets.png
The US property disaster will carry along for the next several years, well into 2013.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
There’s reasonable evidence that a lot of gold has been leaving the USA in the past year. This flow of gold has been pushing the US dollar up and has been holding the price of gold down.
If the USA has large gold reserves, and if they can recover their economy before they run out of gold to sell, they will be able to buy it all back, probably at a profit. On the other hand, if they run out of gold sooner, then the US dollar will collapse and gold will shoot upwards as the world goes into panic looking for a viable and stable international currency.
June 21st, 2009 at 1:42 am
I found this hilarious trailer to a new documentary soon to come out on the GFC.
http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/untitledmichaelmooreproject/
June 21st, 2009 at 1:47 am
I fully agree that houses are heavily overpriced in Australia (including mine – but since it was cheap it is overpriced less).
But…
What if the Government and RBA make sure that variable mortgage rates never exceed 6%?
1. RBA still can lower interest rates by 2.5% (down to 0.5%)
2. If banks then cannot borrow money and keep rising rates – another rabbit (or rather another HOG) will be pulled from the hat – banks can be credited by the Government. Effectively this is what happened in the US. The only difference is that in Australia this may be done before the actual collapse not after. I am not saying that this will not have side effects.
Obviously there will still be some deleveraging but I think that a massive wave of bankruptcies will be avoided and unemployment kept in check.
The mandate of this government might be defined as to prevent high unemployment and collapse of real estate prices (as the main assets owned by members of the society). At any price and regardless of who has to pay that price – first home buyers, people who don’t have houses but have other investment or foreign investors.
I agree that average real home prices can fall by 40% over for example next 10 years. But nominal prices do not have to fall that much and the process can be slowed down.
June 21st, 2009 at 10:11 am
A 40 – 50% decline in the real price and 0% decline in the nominal price with reasonably low (single digit unemployment) would be a fantastic outcome over the next 10 years.
It implies things like 6 – 7% p.a. wage inflation or 6 – 7% p.a. currency decline
June 21st, 2009 at 11:16 am
“With the Australian economy avoiding a technical recession, defined as two consecutive quarters of negative growth, we think that the worst of the slowdown is over but expect weak growth to continue for most of 2009,’ Melbourne Institute research fellow Michael Chua said in the body’s latest monthly bulletin.”
It is getting tiresome listening to economists and other media hacks talk about avoiding recession.
Let’s be clear, there is nothing ‘official’ or ‘technical’ about the 2 consecutive quarters of negative GDP approach to measuring recessions. Using GDP as the sole measure is at best crude.
That’s why the NBER in the US have come up with a much more robust way of measuring recessions and why it is up to them to decide when official recessions start and begin in the US.
In a research discussion paper published by the RBA in 2005, Gillitzer, Kearns and Richards actually used a coincident indicator approach similar to that of the NBER that proved to be much more reliable than the inherent volatile readings of GDP.
Furthermore, if you look back at previous recessions in Australia. There was actually only 1 quarter of negative growth in the 1974-75 recession. In 1982-83 there were 3 consecutive negative quarters although the the recession got underway in the first quarter of 1982 even though the second quarter grew 0.7%. In the early 90’s recession there were 4 consecutive negative quarters of GDP.
http://www.thefundamentalanalyst.com/?p=1452
June 21st, 2009 at 12:16 pm
I think that there are several basic scenarios possible for Australia:
Scenario 1. Outright deflation with bankruptcies, 40% reduction in real estate prices, 20-25% unemployment – the repetition of the Great Depression. We can call it the Greater Depression for sure. This is what Steve’s numerical model shows. I think that without government intervention this is the most likely outcome. Horrible social consequences, soup kitchens for homeless people, basically the scenario even worse than I saw in Poland in the early 1990-ties.
Note 1. The observation I made about events from 1988-1991 (30% GDP slump) and 2003 (>20% unemployment due to targeting inflation, called “dezinflation”) in Poland is that there were pockets of poverty and total collapse surrounded by patches of growth. Since population in Australia is heavily concentrated in cities and we are 3 times richer things may not get as bad as they were in Central Europe. However the population may be less resilient.
Scenario 2. Printing hefty amount of money and inflating the deflation. This is technically possible but I don’t think this will happen. Low unemployment and no fall in prices but middle class will disappear due to inflation. A kind of Argentinian scenario. People may vote for Libs in this case and they would pull the handbrake as prof Balcerowicz in Poland did in late 1990-ties (what led to >20% unemployment).
Note 2. If you want to read about NAIRU and other neoclassical stuff describing Central European economies during the transition period here is the document:
http://www.uv.es/tamac/uv/doc/_vti_cnf/JCErev.pdf
I didn’t bother to read – to me claiming that 18% of people has to be unemployed because of a magic formula proving the equilibrium point sounds ridiculous. (Now unemployment there is still much lower despite the recession). Especially when I saw these unemployed people with my own eyes.
But Figure 1 shows unemployment graphs for all the Central European countries and is worth checking out.
Scenario 3. Borrowing and then printing moderate amount of money by the government and not allowing the bubble to really burst. Forcing low mortgage rates and fiddling with everything the government can fiddle with. Using invasive propaganda. Home prices gliding down, collapsing in some places, unemployment obviously in double digits but massive collapse of everything prevented. This is in my opinion the most likely scenario unless Liberals take power (they are able to do so, if this happens scenario 1 is more than possible). Yes there will be a lost decade as in Japan (even if our economy is different) but we may avoid a much worse scenario 1.
4. Abolishing debt when scenario 1 happens, fixing the system and moving on – mentioned by Steve. Not very likely as there will be too may opponents but might be the smartest.
Now let’s make the final comment. There are 2 forces driving economy in opposite directions – deflationary and inflationary. Which will win? I think we will have both. Using the term “deflation” means that the price index will fall. But what is exactly CPI? It is a weighted aggregation of all the prices. What if the price of oil go up (due to the devaluation of currency and global factors) but at the same time prices of houses and locally made goods go down?
I saw the readjustment of prices on an enormous scale during the transition from communism to free market economy. Then there was another slower change which everyone living in a Western country experienced due to globalisation. Textiles, electronics, cars got cheaper but houses and some services got dearer.
Maybe overall there was an enormous inflation in years 1999-2004 in Australia in terms of what people really spend money on but we didn’t see it in the statistics since house prices have a low weight assigned in CPI?
I think we will see a partial reversal of this process in Australia combined with some instability and pockets of high unemployment.
In my opinion if we start talking about the processes occurring in the economy at the different level of granularity we will capture more of the reality.
Let’s talk separately about wages (split by different social groups) and prices of houses in different regions, food, energy, etc. To me “inflation” and “deflation” together with GDP as a measure of our wellbeing belong to the same category as “equilibrium”.
Steve, does it make sense or do I go too far?
June 21st, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Why are prices remaining high -
A buyers advocates view on higher end market
http://www.jamesbuyeradvocates.com.au/marketnews.html
- FIRB rule change
- Buyers holding previous house for investment
- Sellers scared by previous drop, now think will get better price if hold for longer.
June 21st, 2009 at 1:20 pm
A macro statistic in common between Poland in 1989 and Australia in 2009 is they both have a Foreign Debt/GDP ratio of 65%
June 21st, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Peter,
Yes debt was a very serious problem and Poland freeze repayments a few times eventually renegotiating loan conditions. In Romania they repaid debt but ruined the country. The dictator was executed for doing that.
However I haven’t used period 1988-1991 to draw any analogies with Australia in terms of economy as the transition from central planning to free market was a unique experience. The only moral is that you can survive 30% GDP slump if you honestly (to some extent of course as there is no honesty in politics) tell people that there is no escape and that the burden must be shared.
I think that Argentine may offer a better analogy how to get out from a very deep hole.
But what is much more relevant to us I can say that inflation targeting from early 2000-ies can be used as an example applicable to Australia. If you follow the neoclassical economic theory closely in bad times you will end up with >20% unemployment.
NEVER DO THAT.
The society didn’t collapse but I think that sad period before joining the EU led to the rise of moderate and extreme Catholics to power and other “interesting” phenomena in social and political life.
I was so fed up with the social dislocation (I am an atheist) that I migrated. Not my country any more if so many people repeat that “every Polish is Catholic”.
http://www.concordatwatch.eu/showtopic.php?org_id=931&kb_header_id=1341
This guy is especially tough, father Rydzyk:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,413976,00.html
Eventually the economy rebound strongly (pumped up with billions of Euro from the EU) but at the same time >1mln Poles flocked to the UK (some are still there).
So what extremism will settle in Australia if we have >20% unemployment? Maybe we can still avoid that…
Adam
June 21st, 2009 at 4:57 pm
since we have been chatting about the housing market, the link is to a rather rose coloured glasses view of the housing situation in oz.
found the stats interesting though
http://www.bis.org/publ/bppdf/bispap46e.pdf
June 21st, 2009 at 5:23 pm
On that BIS publication (p. 20), I wonder why the Netherlands has such a great amount of household debt compared to other Western countries.
Dean Baker has another good article worth reading: http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/21756
June 21st, 2009 at 6:53 pm
thanks for the link phil,
much food for thought,
think baker misses an important point,
as max weber would say,
would the “spirit of capitalism” , and thus inovation survive if the government didnt grant limited monopolistic controls to those doing the inovating.
June 21st, 2009 at 8:19 pm
im wondering about the dutch too phil,
wonder if they have had a bubble to rival the great tulip bubble of the late 1630s .
correct me if im wrong but i seem to recall reading somewhere that tulips got up to around $140,000 plus in todays money. thats for a single tulip!
wow that was a bubble
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:35 am
mahaish,
Baker has done excellent work on the issue of IPR relating to pharmaceutical R&D and creative works.
Despite the persistent corporate public relations propaganda of the pharmaceutical industry, taxpayers & academia do the vast majority of R&D, not the industry. Baker’s proposal would have the taxpayer replace all R&D and then have the private sector to compete to offer the lowest cost generics – around $US4/unit for many generics. This would save immense amounts of taxpayer dollars, increase the openness and advancement of science, create consumer gains, and save many lives in the process.
Small creative works such as music and books can be funded through an artistic freedom vouchers, thus eliminating monopoly pricing and the stranglehold of the oligopolistic publishing and music houses.
Large creative works such as films can be funded by taxpayers. The incomes of actors have nothing to do with marginal productivity but rather the enormous unearned monopolistic economic rents created by government intervention which allows for actors like Tom Cruise to pilfer consumers.
With IPR & pharmaceuticals, I fail to see the “spirit of capitalism” as it is extremely perverse government intervention that: (1) creates non-property into property (2) taxpayers & academia perform most of the R&D anyway (3) enormous tax breaks and R&D credits (4) monopolistic pricing (5) transforms a public good into a private commodity (6) “limited” monopoly grants are 20 years and increasing (7) corrupts the process of science (8) encourages the development of useless me-too and lifestyle drugs, and so on.
If you mean the spirit of corporate socialism, that would be understandable. If you mean the spirit of market capitalism, then IPR defiles it in every way possible. Even with economic theory severely biased towards markets, the case for taxpayer-funded R&D is overwhelming.
As the bubbles, I find it unbelievable that economists can still adhere to the idea that markets are efficient considering the case of the US over the last 10 years: a $US8 trillion property bubble, a $US10 trillion stock market bubble, a $US600 trillion derivatives bubble, a $US dollar bubble, and so on.
I wonder how much damage the bursting of the tulip bubble did in the Netherlands.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:02 am
Philip,
I mostly agree with the opinions expressed by Baker. The only problem is how to replace the current system. If the American corporate empire crumbles in the next phase of recession there might be a chance for a kind of reform/evolution otherwise we have to lose competition with developing countries to trim the power of corporations. What worries me is that China/Russia/Arab states can buy Microsoft, Oracle, IBM and pharmaceutical companies. Then the system will be stabilised and we will be on the wrong side of the new colonial divide.
Actually the collapse of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in late 18th century is a very good analogy to what’s going on in the US now. The country was large and relatively rich but there was no effective central power. Magnates ruled.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnate
You can replace “magnate” by “tycoon” for the convenience.
The only difference is instead of Russia, Prussia and Austria we have Russia, China and Arab states.
History actually has run full circle. Kosciuszko and Pulaski tried to defend Polish independence and establish the US. Now the US is crumbling for the very same reason Poland did in late 18-th century.
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:08 am
Hi Guys,
I developed an idea over the weekend that I thought I would share.
Many people believe in the “cash on the sidelines theory”. That is, money sits on the sidelines and when it floods into the markets prices rise. I think the idea is bull because when ever there is a buyer (from the sideline) there is a seller that unearths cash to sit on the sidelines. So buying and selling shares does not change how much cash is on the sideline.
BUT, Capital raisings do change the sideline position of cash. Over the last 3 or 4 months reports suggest that $400B has been raised globally. That all either comes from cash or increased debt.
Therefore the cash buffer that now sits on the sidelines is greatly depleted. In other words, the market has jumped back in or “doubled down”. If debt funded the new capital, equity will be wiped out even faster if the market sells off.
When the next selling phase begins. Some say it started last week. Not only will the buyers be gun shy, they will be largely committed. There will be very few fresh buyers to halt the sell off.
This is just a theory based on pulling several pieces of info together. This theory is not well researched, it is off the top of my head.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:27 pm
My theory is, in a small economy with a floating exchange rate, you can have whatever nominal median house price, median wage, nominal GDP you like, BUT there are no free lunches. You pay for it in the currency exchange rate against your main trading partners sooner or latter.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Australian homeowners will possibly remain relatively unscathed over the next ten years as their government in concert with the RBA work to lower the cash rate to zero and allow a falling AUD currency to ‘import inflation’ and inflate the worst of the price imbalances away. In Aggregate Australian homeowners will be no richer in ten years time with a static house price and the AUD currency declining to 35 USD. The Australian trade deficit will slowly improve under these conditions but the average Australian will not be any richer because of this outcome.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Hi Peter_W,
“Australian homeowners will possibly remain relatively unscathed over the next ten years..”
I’d like to add: If they manage to hold on to their Jobs/Incomes so they are able to pay off all that debt.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Hi Peter_W/Ueberbear
I really do not see how majority of Australian home owners in debt will pay of that huge debt of 400K to 500K. Not a chance!
For people who are on 200 to 250K mortgages maybe but no way with current house prices.
On one hand the governments efforts seems to be working like a well oiled machine but realistically can this debt be paid by majority of Australians? I dont think so! Majority will struggle up to their necks trying to pay it off.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:40 pm
The apparent massive divergence between the US Case-Shiller and the Australian Stapledon housing index over the past 100 years is perfectly accounted for when the two currency exchange rates are interposed.
A falling AUD will cause import inflation > wage inflation > lower house price/wage ratio
1900 AUD/USD $2.40
1970 AUD/USD $1.50
1990 AUD/USD $0.75
2020 AUD/USD ????
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:34 pm
The AUD (currency ~ TWI) is why Steve may loose his bet with Robbo and may have to summit Kosiuscko.
If the economy slides further and unemployment rises > House prices stop rising > RBA lowers cash rate > floating rate mortgage stays low > AUD currency declines (unattractive for speculation and carry trade) > inflation creeps up (oil commodities) > wages creep up > effective negative interest rate > currency declines further (virtual circle) > RBA loathed to raise cash rate due to rising unemployment > debts inflated > bracket creep slowly raises taxes.
Plenty of Australians at the margin will be seriously affected but in 10 – 15 years the house price/wage ratio will be relatively more normal.
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Peter,
Was the original bet about nominal prices or real prices?
But I can see at least a few politicians who would increase interest rates to stop inflation.
This happened in many countries in Central Europe and Latin America.
Currently Lativia is undergoing a deflationary therapy.
“There are two schools of thought on whether Latvia should devalue the lat, or fight tooth and nail to keep its currency peg to the euro. One, espoused by the Latvian government, the International Monetary Fund and the European Commission, is that devaluation would destabilise the Latvian banking system, wouldn’t really address the long-term challenges facing the Latvian economy, and would risk spreading shock waves beyond Latvia across the Baltic and into other parts of central and eastern Europe.”
http://blogs.ft.com/brusselsblog/2009/06/latvias-crisis-eurozone-membership-is-the-answer/
See who is always behind calls to toughten it up? IMF. They don’t care about trillions of dollars in bubbles but they do care about inflation. It is irrelevant that you drive unemployment to 20% and more than a million people migrates as a result but the inflation must be stopped at any cost.
In fact I see a serious risk of AUD appreciating against USD. Only if our government gets into QE seriously in the next phase of the crisis there is a chance of overtaking the USD in fall. Otherwise there may be yet another bubble…
Adam
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:33 pm
I agree with respect to the IMF. The IMF are the modern day equivalent of the House of Rothchild. The IMF will always act to protect the foreign currency bond holders.
If the AUD fell 50% the Australian foreign currency debt/GDP ratio would double. That may put Australia ‘in play’ with the IMF.
If the RBA sold AUD at pre-devaluation prices and built a foreign currency reserve equal to aggregate private net foreign debt (mainly borrowed by the big four banks) then maybe Australia could escape the IMF.
The RBA needs to get going for this to work though. Presently the RBA has roughly $45B foreign currency reserves but the net private foreign debt denominated in foreign currency is roughly $300B.
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:59 pm
There are other alternatives the Australian Government could undertake to thwart IMF involvement.
Australia has plenty of commodity resources China has massive foreign currency reserves.
A massive foreign currency resource tax would soon fill the Australian Treasury coffers with some of China’s foreign currency reserves.
It all depends ‘when push comes to shove’ which constituency the Australian Government decides it should best serve vs sacrifice.
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:37 pm
I suppose it’s easy to dismiss the idea of massive currency devaluation as wild speculation and fraught with problems with regard to net foreign debt and IMF involvement BUT Australia is in a unique transport proximity position to supply China.
Gold was the old currency proxy used to protect foreign creditors but what China really needs is commodities.
In the past part IV of this legislation would have come into effect…
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/ActCompilation1.nsf/framelodgmentattachments/18B20C78549DF1DFCA25747F007CA3BA
Part IV would have (in effect) partially/fully nationalized Gold.
A creative Treasury can easily nationalize mining resources.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Bullturnedbear, most of the new equity would have been debt turned into equity, as borrowing for shares is no longer an option. The super funds and similar will have built up their cash reserves and are waiting for bargains. Whether they are bargains is another question.
PETER_W, on the problem of foreign debt, most of it is either in Australian dollars, or hedged or naturally hedged. By naturally hedged I mean that it is either used to produce exports sold in foreign currency or to purchase assets overseas where it makes sense to borrow in the same currency that the assets are valued in. There will be some stupid mistakes but most people learnt in the eighties.
As to the IMF, we are unlikely to see them unless our governments start borrowing in foreign currencies. We should be able to earn enough for the essential imports, just that there will be a lot of unemployed and we can always sell off more of our mineral assets. The youth of today don’t understand how important learning Mandarin is.
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:03 pm
http://english.caijing.com.cn/2009-06-19/110186641.html
Fear the Dark Side of China’s Lending Surge
06-19 14:24 Caijing
“Banks loans designed to spark economic recovery have been channeled into asset speculation, doing more harm than good.”
Another view on the Chinese “miracle”.
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:10 pm
On the topic of Traffic in Sydney, I have also been watching a significant decline over that last few months. I travel from near Penrith to Parramatta in Western Sydney, Last year this would routinely take 45min to an hour. There are still bad days that take an hour but at least 4 day’s a week I’m at work in 30 – 35 minutes.
There are noticeably less tip truck and dog trailer combinations (carrying dirt of some sort). I look out for these as I find that they tend to throw rocks, and I do not like stone chips.
Interestingly the time taken to get home in the afternoon has not improved by as much.
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:49 pm
http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/06/guest-post-china-economic-catastrophe.html
Excellent article at ZH on the saviour of Australia- China. Not for the faint hearted who have placed bets that China will decouple with us in tow. Some great links in this article too- “The Wedge” in Cali is awesome.
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:14 am
Ever wondered what it must be like to be told lies by your government?
GSM
A quote from that blog…..
“That is one thing I noticed immediately about China: there is a constant barrage everywhere you turn—-TV, advertisements, magazines, newspapers, billboards, etc.—-that essentially suggests that everything is wonderful and getting more wonderful all the time, and everybody is just happy, happy, happy, and China is getting better and better and stronger and stronger. I was really struck by this. It was like living in a never-ending infomercial”
Sound familiar people?! Australia the lucky country avoids the GFC…..yippy!
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:22 am
GSM,
They may be doing the right thing that is getting rid of the Treasuries and stockpiling commodities. A bubble is inevitable. Can you imagine their government doing that in the context of the Rio Tinto purchase failure?
The fact they have their own First HOGers investing happily into the bubble doesn’t surprise me.
Don’t worry the Central Committee is firmly in control and they really don’t care about the fate of the middle class as long as the overall stability during this tough period is preserved. If the middle class is unhappy when the bubble bursts they can be re-educated.
Sometimes I think that at least some banksters, tycoons and corporate lawyers in Western counties deserve to be re-educated as well.
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:55 pm
OK so here is the answer. Foreigners are welcome to contribute to the real estate bubble in China:
http://www.china.org.cn/business/2009-06/23/content_17995620.htm
“The government may relax rules on inward foreign direct investment (FDI) to prevent it from sliding further, sources from the Ministry of Commerce said on June 22.
“We have drawn up a plan to relax some restrictions on foreign investment, particularly in the real-estate sector,” an official from the Ministry of Commerce, who did not want to be named, confirmed to China Daily.”
‘”The ministry’s proposal is important to maintain growth in investment, one of the three drivers of economic growth, in the second half of the year,” said Li Jianfeng, macro-economic and trade analyst with Shanghai Securities.’
How good is that? I really think they’re smart… to have a free lunch on stupid investors.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:57 pm
ak,
FDI in China is collapsing, that is the only reason they are promoting it now.
Whatever way you slice it, China is having serious troubles. What we in Australia should obviously be keeping our eye on is China’s imports. I don’t see those being anywhere near sufficient to create the decoupling from the GFC already cooked into the fairy tale Govt Budget forcasts. That being the case, Australia is on course for a fully blown current account crisis in the next 2-3 years.
Devaluation ala Argentina is not a desirable solution. The cost of living here would skyrocket as I don’t see wages keeping up at all with projected price increases brought on by a severe currency devaluation.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:50 pm
hi peter w,
baron rothchild,
an interesting character,
made a killing on napoleans misfortune.
when everybody else thought the iron duke was toast and napolean had won at waterloo, his network of spies told him otherwise, and in the ensuing panic he bought up big.
hence the term ” the best time to buy is when there is blood in the streets ”
anecdotes aside, i have to agree with ken,
dont think we will be seeing the imf on our doorstep anytime soon. we have seen large devaluations in our currency before, and we will see it again once this equities rally is over.