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		<title>By: DrewRiskManager</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2009/06/07/an-economic-counter-revolution-begins-in-reykjavik/comment-page-2/#comment-11880</link>
		<dc:creator>DrewRiskManager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Readers may also find this web site of interest.  

Entrepreneurial Risks - Financial Crisis Observatory

http://www.er.ethz.ch/fco/index</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Readers may also find this web site of interest.  </p>
<p>Entrepreneurial Risks &#8211; Financial Crisis Observatory</p>
<p><a href="http://www.er.ethz.ch/fco/index" rel="nofollow">http://www.er.ethz.ch/fco/index</a></p>
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		<title>By: DrewRiskManager</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrewRiskManager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great articles from &quot;New Scientist&quot;.

http://www.newscientist.com/special/can-science-reinvent-economy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great articles from &#8220;New Scientist&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newscientist.com/special/can-science-reinvent-economy" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/special/can-science-reinvent-economy</a></p>
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		<title>By: mahaish</title>
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		<dc:creator>mahaish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi height,

as jarod diamond would say , there are 3 types of chimpanse,

bonobos, chimpanse&#039;s and us.

our brains have given us all this technology and engineering including financial engineering, but we are still trying to shake off all this bad behavior and the inner chimpanse within us.

given whats been going on in recent times, i&#039;m actually thinking of getting our benobo cousins to write a book on ethical behavior and better manners to help us humans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi height,</p>
<p>as jarod diamond would say , there are 3 types of chimpanse,</p>
<p>bonobos, chimpanse&#8217;s and us.</p>
<p>our brains have given us all this technology and engineering including financial engineering, but we are still trying to shake off all this bad behavior and the inner chimpanse within us.</p>
<p>given whats been going on in recent times, i&#8217;m actually thinking of getting our benobo cousins to write a book on ethical behavior and better manners to help us humans.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any of you perma bears need a pessimism maintenance dose in these times of continued strength in equities and consumer confidence? You could read the baseline scenario and the article in the May Atlantic magazine at http://baselinescenario.com/. It is by the former chief economist of the IMF in 2007 and 2008. 
The US unlike all the basket cases the IMF has to bail has not yet made the big decisions that will inevitably confront their powerful (and corrupt/ conflicted - note the Washington-Wall Street jobs for the boys with Rubin, Snow, Paulson, Kashkari etc) elite interests (in this case their financial oligarchy) by properly cleaning up murky finance industry balance sheets. They are still not yet united politically that this level of purging is needed with many still ideologically biased against government intervention given the cult of finance that has imbued the entire culture (surely changing!). Also they have the reserve currency which they can print as needed. So they aren’t at the desperate stage with no other options but hard and decisive ones. Instead of a quick nationalisation, restructure (into smaller not too big to fail units hence breaking the oligopoly) and resale we are seeing a continued non-transparent piecemeal approach ala Japan in the 90s to now. This will result in zombie banks that need continued taxpayer funds while continuing to be unwilling to adequately lend. This extends the recession in a best case scenario and if we see a return to global crisis triggered say via an Eastern European government debt default will set the US up for depression... I know you’ve read it before but it’s nice coming from the IMF guy.

Not miserable enough people could also check Paul Kedrosky’s site for the T2 Partners (US) Mortgage report posted 8 June. See this on p64 - ‘Our data shows that the mid-to-upper end housing market is on the precipice of the exact cliff that the market fell off of in 2007, led by new loan defaults. What happens to the economy when you hit the mid- to-upper end earners the same way the low-to-mid end was hit with the subprime implosion? We will find out soon enough.  When we look back on (US) housing at the end of 2009, anyone that made positive housing predictions this year will not believe how far off they were’.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any of you perma bears need a pessimism maintenance dose in these times of continued strength in equities and consumer confidence? You could read the baseline scenario and the article in the May Atlantic magazine at <a href="http://baselinescenario.com/" rel="nofollow">http://baselinescenario.com/</a>. It is by the former chief economist of the IMF in 2007 and 2008.<br />
The US unlike all the basket cases the IMF has to bail has not yet made the big decisions that will inevitably confront their powerful (and corrupt/ conflicted &#8211; note the Washington-Wall Street jobs for the boys with Rubin, Snow, Paulson, Kashkari etc) elite interests (in this case their financial oligarchy) by properly cleaning up murky finance industry balance sheets. They are still not yet united politically that this level of purging is needed with many still ideologically biased against government intervention given the cult of finance that has imbued the entire culture (surely changing!). Also they have the reserve currency which they can print as needed. So they aren’t at the desperate stage with no other options but hard and decisive ones. Instead of a quick nationalisation, restructure (into smaller not too big to fail units hence breaking the oligopoly) and resale we are seeing a continued non-transparent piecemeal approach ala Japan in the 90s to now. This will result in zombie banks that need continued taxpayer funds while continuing to be unwilling to adequately lend. This extends the recession in a best case scenario and if we see a return to global crisis triggered say via an Eastern European government debt default will set the US up for depression&#8230; I know you’ve read it before but it’s nice coming from the IMF guy.</p>
<p>Not miserable enough people could also check Paul Kedrosky’s site for the T2 Partners (US) Mortgage report posted 8 June. See this on p64 &#8211; ‘Our data shows that the mid-to-upper end housing market is on the precipice of the exact cliff that the market fell off of in 2007, led by new loan defaults. What happens to the economy when you hit the mid- to-upper end earners the same way the low-to-mid end was hit with the subprime implosion? We will find out soon enough.  When we look back on (US) housing at the end of 2009, anyone that made positive housing predictions this year will not believe how far off they were’.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ueberbaer,

That was an interesting article. The problem with convention economic theory is that it postulates infinite substitution of commodities and technological advancement so resources will not be depleted and the environment will not be harmed.

This is, of course, utter rubbish. It also assumes that commodities will be priced at its full social cost. Take petrol for instance. In the US, a gallon currently costs ~$2. However, if its negative externalities were factored into the price, a gallon should cost between $7 - $20. The same in Australia as well. As markets misprice commodities to an extraordinary extent, it results in mass over-consumption, thus depleting resources and harming the environment.

We constantly hear the statement that oil (and its derivatives) is expensive. Unfortunately, it is the exact opposite, by a considerable factor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ueberbaer,</p>
<p>That was an interesting article. The problem with convention economic theory is that it postulates infinite substitution of commodities and technological advancement so resources will not be depleted and the environment will not be harmed.</p>
<p>This is, of course, utter rubbish. It also assumes that commodities will be priced at its full social cost. Take petrol for instance. In the US, a gallon currently costs ~$2. However, if its negative externalities were factored into the price, a gallon should cost between $7 &#8211; $20. The same in Australia as well. As markets misprice commodities to an extraordinary extent, it results in mass over-consumption, thus depleting resources and harming the environment.</p>
<p>We constantly hear the statement that oil (and its derivatives) is expensive. Unfortunately, it is the exact opposite, by a considerable factor.</p>
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		<title>By: ueberbaer</title>
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		<dc:creator>ueberbaer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 02:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once in a while I stumble over a post on the web which I find so exceedingly interesting and valuable I want to share it with as many as possible:

From The Oil Drum: &quot;Profiting from Scarcity&quot;
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5478</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once in a while I stumble over a post on the web which I find so exceedingly interesting and valuable I want to share it with as many as possible:</p>
<p>From The Oil Drum: &#8220;Profiting from Scarcity&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5478" rel="nofollow">http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5478</a></p>
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		<title>By: DrBob127</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrBob127</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>W800I,

Thank you for the link to the Terry Ryder article. In the past I have purchased one of his reports (late 2007) and for all of his sledging of economists, I recall that his report started off with the economic analysis that everything was on the up and up (i.e. no signh of clouds on the horizon).

I am very interested in the outcomes of this economic crisis as it relates directly to my desires to purchase a home for me and my young family. 

As such I am very interested to hear feedback from other blog contributors far more knowledgable than I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>W800I,</p>
<p>Thank you for the link to the Terry Ryder article. In the past I have purchased one of his reports (late 2007) and for all of his sledging of economists, I recall that his report started off with the economic analysis that everything was on the up and up (i.e. no signh of clouds on the horizon).</p>
<p>I am very interested in the outcomes of this economic crisis as it relates directly to my desires to purchase a home for me and my young family. </p>
<p>As such I am very interested to hear feedback from other blog contributors far more knowledgable than I.</p>
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		<title>By: W800I</title>
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		<dc:creator>W800I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all, 
please keep in mind that I am fairly new here. I am posting a link to a opinion piece from Terry Ryder. He has had a fair old go at the prof.

Everyone&#039;s thoughts re this piece would be appreciated please

http://www.jenman.com.au/news_subscribers_item.php?id=23&amp;Section=Reports

Scroll down to the section titled
&quot;Feature topic:
We need a new breed of economist - or maybe no economists at all&quot;

Thanks
W800I</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,<br />
please keep in mind that I am fairly new here. I am posting a link to a opinion piece from Terry Ryder. He has had a fair old go at the prof.</p>
<p>Everyone&#8217;s thoughts re this piece would be appreciated please</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jenman.com.au/news_subscribers_item.php?id=23&amp;Section=Reports" rel="nofollow">http://www.jenman.com.au/news_subscribers_item.php?id=23&amp;Section=Reports</a></p>
<p>Scroll down to the section titled<br />
&#8220;Feature topic:<br />
We need a new breed of economist &#8211; or maybe no economists at all&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
W800I</p>
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		<title>By: MACCA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MACCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve,

Any response on Henderson&#039;s comments on GDP calculation?

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,</p>
<p>Any response on Henderson&#8217;s comments on GDP calculation?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: dobther</title>
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		<dc:creator>dobther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>height, 

I don&#039;t think they predetermine someones behaviour but they certainly do influence our behaviour.

Reading Steven Pinker&#039;s, the blank slate, I came across this.

The three laws of behavioural genetics:

1. All human behavioral traits are heritable.

2. The effect of being raised in the same family is smaller than the effect of the genes.

3. A substantial portion of the variation in complex human behavioural traits is not accounted for by the effects of genes or families.

Summarised as Genes: 40-50%, Shared environment 0-10%, 50% Unique environment.

I also recommend googling Dan Ariely and Derek Denton for further information on actually what we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>height, </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they predetermine someones behaviour but they certainly do influence our behaviour.</p>
<p>Reading Steven Pinker&#8217;s, the blank slate, I came across this.</p>
<p>The three laws of behavioural genetics:</p>
<p>1. All human behavioral traits are heritable.</p>
<p>2. The effect of being raised in the same family is smaller than the effect of the genes.</p>
<p>3. A substantial portion of the variation in complex human behavioural traits is not accounted for by the effects of genes or families.</p>
<p>Summarised as Genes: 40-50%, Shared environment 0-10%, 50% Unique environment.</p>
<p>I also recommend googling Dan Ariely and Derek Denton for further information on actually what we are.</p>
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