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		<title>By: The Economy Will Not Recover Until Trust is Restored &#124; FedUpUSA</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2009/05/04/debtwatch-no-34-the-confidence-trick/comment-page-9/#comment-15706</link>
		<dc:creator>The Economy Will Not Recover Until Trust is Restored &#124; FedUpUSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Economy Will Not Recover Until Trust is Restored &#124; Froogalizer.com</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2009/05/04/debtwatch-no-34-the-confidence-trick/comment-page-9/#comment-15679</link>
		<dc:creator>The Economy Will Not Recover Until Trust is Restored &#124; Froogalizer.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As economist Irving Fisher pointed out (as recounted by economist Steve Keen): [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Guest Post: The Economy Will Not Recover Until Trust is Restored &#171; naked capitalism</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2009/05/04/debtwatch-no-34-the-confidence-trick/comment-page-9/#comment-14268</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest Post: The Economy Will Not Recover Until Trust is Restored &#171; naked capitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] economist Irving Fisher pointed out (as recounted by economist Steve Keen): Hobbled by this naive belief in equilibrium, the economics profession was as unprepared for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anarchistas &#187; Defliacin?s kredito kriz?s mechanika</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2009/05/04/debtwatch-no-34-the-confidence-trick/comment-page-8/#comment-13627</link>
		<dc:creator>Anarchistas &#187; Defliacin?s kredito kriz?s mechanika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] defliacinio proceso aiškinimas (yra Wikipedijoje, ?ia cituoju iš Stephen Keen blogo): (1) Debt liquidation leads to distress selling and to (2) Contraction of deposit currency, as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Why the Government&#8217;s Attempt to Instill False Confidence Will Backfire &#171; Truth11</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why the Government&#8217;s Attempt to Instill False Confidence Will Backfire &#171; Truth11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] economist Irving Fisher pointed out (as recounted by economist Steve Keen): Hobbled by this naive belief in equilibrium, the economics profession was as unprepared for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MrT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 05:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim

Sorry about the very long delay in my reply.

It seems like I had a shocker!! China&#039;s Non performing Loans are now nothing like the 40% I quoted, they now claim about 1.6%. Sorry the 40% came from a link I clicked on while reading a current article but took me to one that was over 10yrs old. The Chinese have already taken all this off their books or put them in a &quot;special investment vehicle&quot;.</description>
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<p>Sorry about the very long delay in my reply.</p>
<p>It seems like I had a shocker!! China&#8217;s Non performing Loans are now nothing like the 40% I quoted, they now claim about 1.6%. Sorry the 40% came from a link I clicked on while reading a current article but took me to one that was over 10yrs old. The Chinese have already taken all this off their books or put them in a &#8220;special investment vehicle&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: BrightSpark1</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrightSpark1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 05:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>g&#039;day Outback Oracle

It looks like Bill Evans has had a &quot;boat to Iceland&quot; moment, too bad it took him 33 er sorry 50 years too long. He has beaten all the others to this realisation however.

I too saw  Henry and Stevens on the TV last night and I tend to agree that Stevens was probably wishing that he was somewhere else.
Only neoclassical economists could make claims like that and have the MSM broadcast the garbage.

Did you see Simon Crean crowing about how close he is to a free trade agreement with China? China which has pegged its currency at least 1000% too high! He is pleased that the Chinese want to &quot;invest&quot; in Australia! He wants Australians to invest in China. &quot;Yeah right&quot; who brought him?

We can&#039;t produce real products for our own consumption, they have destroyed that capability. We need to borrow at least $40,000,000,000 pa to cover the CAD (it has fallen from the previous year), and the government is taking on this burden aswell as bank foreign debt rollovers by quietly issuing treasury notes (this self censored by the MSN).
If the economy did &quot;recover&quot; whatever that might mean, will we still be able to sell these notes on the foreign market to keep the show on the road I think not. It would have been interesting to ask Stevens and Henry to explain where the foreign credit would be comming from in the future, but then again &quot;loose lips sink ships er dodgy economies&quot;.</description>
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<p>It looks like Bill Evans has had a &#8220;boat to Iceland&#8221; moment, too bad it took him 33 er sorry 50 years too long. He has beaten all the others to this realisation however.</p>
<p>I too saw  Henry and Stevens on the TV last night and I tend to agree that Stevens was probably wishing that he was somewhere else.<br />
Only neoclassical economists could make claims like that and have the MSM broadcast the garbage.</p>
<p>Did you see Simon Crean crowing about how close he is to a free trade agreement with China? China which has pegged its currency at least 1000% too high! He is pleased that the Chinese want to &#8220;invest&#8221; in Australia! He wants Australians to invest in China. &#8220;Yeah right&#8221; who brought him?</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t produce real products for our own consumption, they have destroyed that capability. We need to borrow at least $40,000,000,000 pa to cover the CAD (it has fallen from the previous year), and the government is taking on this burden aswell as bank foreign debt rollovers by quietly issuing treasury notes (this self censored by the MSN).<br />
If the economy did &#8220;recover&#8221; whatever that might mean, will we still be able to sell these notes on the foreign market to keep the show on the road I think not. It would have been interesting to ask Stevens and Henry to explain where the foreign credit would be comming from in the future, but then again &#8220;loose lips sink ships er dodgy economies&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: The Outback Oracle</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Outback Oracle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 00:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virtually every month for the last 6 months, Treasury have been revising down their estimates for performance of the economy for the next 12 months i.e. getting it wrong every month.  Now they are able, with absolute certainty, to tell us what growth rates will be with absolute certainty for the next 10 years!!!  As Steve says &quot;Yeah right!&quot;

Ken Henry justified the predictions in his speech yesterday. Fair dinkum, does it take a whole overpaid Dept to reproduce a graph from the 1960&#039;s and say &quot;this is the future&quot;.  What do they do all day? Drink tea? Henry should resign and donate all his Superannuation to those who have lost all their savings through his, either, stupidity, or deliberate lying over the past two years.

Further, watching Lateline last night it is apparent that Ken Henry still has not noticed a single difference between this recession those that have gone before.
Glen Stevens is just still singing the same &#039;spin&#039;  tune he instructed all the other &quot;experts&quot; to sing a month ago.  Mind you, watching Glen&#039;s face, and carefully weighing his words, I don&#039;t think he was too happy about publicly backing these Treasury GDP estimates!!!!

On another note, I attended the Post Budget talk given by Bill Evans of Westpac in Brisbane. I was prepared to rip his ears off for his stupid predictions over the past two years.  He beat me to the punch by putting up his predictions of earlier years and comparing them to reality. His predictions and reality had nothing in common!   Interestingly, Bill put up our Foreign Debt levels and informed the audience we are in the worst situation in the world other than Iceland, which has collapsed, and NZ which is on the verge.
He did not expand on the difficulties this is going to cause going forward, particularly with our Govt trying to finance it&#039;s deficits in the coming years.  He was scaring the audience enough already, I think, and, as I have become aware over a long period, most people don&#039;t even know that Foreign Debt exists or that there is such a thing as a Current Accout. So it is a bit difficult to suddenly raise it, and explain the significance in a few short minutes,  during a speech about the Budget.
Nevertheless, he is the first one of the MSM &#039;experts&#039; I have seen to publicly acknowledge there is a serious problem there. I thought it was significant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virtually every month for the last 6 months, Treasury have been revising down their estimates for performance of the economy for the next 12 months i.e. getting it wrong every month.  Now they are able, with absolute certainty, to tell us what growth rates will be with absolute certainty for the next 10 years!!!  As Steve says &#8220;Yeah right!&#8221;</p>
<p>Ken Henry justified the predictions in his speech yesterday. Fair dinkum, does it take a whole overpaid Dept to reproduce a graph from the 1960&#8217;s and say &#8220;this is the future&#8221;.  What do they do all day? Drink tea? Henry should resign and donate all his Superannuation to those who have lost all their savings through his, either, stupidity, or deliberate lying over the past two years.</p>
<p>Further, watching Lateline last night it is apparent that Ken Henry still has not noticed a single difference between this recession those that have gone before.<br />
Glen Stevens is just still singing the same &#8217;spin&#8217;  tune he instructed all the other &#8220;experts&#8221; to sing a month ago.  Mind you, watching Glen&#8217;s face, and carefully weighing his words, I don&#8217;t think he was too happy about publicly backing these Treasury GDP estimates!!!!</p>
<p>On another note, I attended the Post Budget talk given by Bill Evans of Westpac in Brisbane. I was prepared to rip his ears off for his stupid predictions over the past two years.  He beat me to the punch by putting up his predictions of earlier years and comparing them to reality. His predictions and reality had nothing in common!   Interestingly, Bill put up our Foreign Debt levels and informed the audience we are in the worst situation in the world other than Iceland, which has collapsed, and NZ which is on the verge.<br />
He did not expand on the difficulties this is going to cause going forward, particularly with our Govt trying to finance it&#8217;s deficits in the coming years.  He was scaring the audience enough already, I think, and, as I have become aware over a long period, most people don&#8217;t even know that Foreign Debt exists or that there is such a thing as a Current Accout. So it is a bit difficult to suddenly raise it, and explain the significance in a few short minutes,  during a speech about the Budget.<br />
Nevertheless, he is the first one of the MSM &#8216;experts&#8217; I have seen to publicly acknowledge there is a serious problem there. I thought it was significant.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Keen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Keen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 22:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with you here mannfm11, on the issue of where the China boom came from. It was financed by American debt--the opposite of the way the neoclassicals interpret it, that excess Chinese savings were then lent to Americans. And ditto on the cause of the turn to deflation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with you here mannfm11, on the issue of where the China boom came from. It was financed by American debt&#8211;the opposite of the way the neoclassicals interpret it, that excess Chinese savings were then lent to Americans. And ditto on the cause of the turn to deflation.</p>
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		<title>By: mannfm11</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannfm11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 21:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inflation causes deflation.  Socialism isn&#039;t a solution.  The opponents of the Federal reserve in the 1910 era mentioned over and over again how the CB would create an inflation.  Most of us believe that is merely a change in price, but it is an expansion in credit and money equivalents created by banks.  The idea that American debt is an American problem misses the point.  The entire Asian boom was financed on US credit, the extention of which allowed China to boom, access resources, etc.  From what I have been able to gather, in the 1920&#039;s, Wall Street financed a lot of export paper to facilitate exports to Europe.  This paper went bad.  It isn&#039;t so much the repayment of debt as the ceasing of creating more debt that triggers the deflation, but I suspect the end game of trying to avoid this problem is a collapse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inflation causes deflation.  Socialism isn&#8217;t a solution.  The opponents of the Federal reserve in the 1910 era mentioned over and over again how the CB would create an inflation.  Most of us believe that is merely a change in price, but it is an expansion in credit and money equivalents created by banks.  The idea that American debt is an American problem misses the point.  The entire Asian boom was financed on US credit, the extention of which allowed China to boom, access resources, etc.  From what I have been able to gather, in the 1920&#8217;s, Wall Street financed a lot of export paper to facilitate exports to Europe.  This paper went bad.  It isn&#8217;t so much the repayment of debt as the ceasing of creating more debt that triggers the deflation, but I suspect the end game of trying to avoid this problem is a collapse.</p>
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