“Lies, damned lies, and statistics” is part of a phrase attributed to Benjamin Disraeli and popularised in the United States by Mark Twain: “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.” The statement refers to the persuasive power of numbers, the use of statistics to bolster weak arguments, and the tendency of people to disparage statistics that do not support their positions. (Wikipedia)
Two recent speeches by the RBA supported the contention that Australian house prices are no longer overvalued, that mortgage repayment costs have returned to historic averages, that Australia is suffering a housing shortage, and therefore that the Australian housing market should not experience the catastrophic falls that are now commonplace across the OECD–and especially in the USA.
Ric Battellino’s speech to the Urban Development Institute of Australia (An Update on the Economy and Financial Developments) gave no data, but was optimistic about the future prospects of the housing sector. The data supporting this optimism was supplied in a speech by Anthony Richards to the 4th Annual Housing Congress (Conditions and Prospects in the Housing Sector).
Though Richards acknowledged that prices had fallen somewhat in 2008, he emphasised that this was less than had been experienced overseas. He also hypothesised that our market would not suffer similar falls in the future:
there are a number of reasons to think that outcomes here might remain better than elsewhere. These relate both to the role of policy in responding to the downturn and the consolidation of household finances that has occurred in Australia since our housing boom slowed earlier in this decade, around the end of 2003.
Two key pieces of evidence Richards presented were the following graphs. The first compares current mortgage repayments to a “long run average” that was based on data from June 1986 until now.

On this indicator, a house purchase is currently about 15% more affordable than the long term average (the dot on the graph estimates current affordability after recent rate cuts).
The second graph shows the ratio of the median dwelling price to household disposable income, again with a comparison to the average (this time from 1993 till now).

From this perspective, housing was not quite as affordable when compared to historic averages as the above measure implies, (since the former includes the impact of today’s very low interest rates whereas the latter does not). But it was still only marginally above the historical average, and Richards surmised that the rising trend up till 2003 may have reflected the transition to a lower inflation environment:
In addition to mortgage rates, the second determinant of standard affordability measures is the ratio of housing prices to income. At present, this ratio remains slightly above its average over the low-inflation period (Graph 3). Of course, there may be good reasons for it to have experienced a trend increase over recent decades as the economy adjusted to a structural shift to lower inflation.
Richards’ overall conclusion was that, on the statistics, Australian house prices were not overvalued,
… it is noteworthy that the housing price to income ratio has declined significantly since its peak in late 2003. Over the period since end 2003, nationwide house prices have grown on average by 4 per cent per annum, versus annual growth of 14 per cent in the prior five-year period. And the growth rate of house prices in the past five years has been well below the 8 per cent average annual nominal growth in household disposable incomes.
So the price-income ratio, a frequently used – but crude – measure of housing price valuation suggests that any overvaluation of housing prices has eased significantly since the Australian housing boom slowed significantly in late 2003. Since then, households have had significant income growth, but that growth has flowed only to a modest extent into housing prices.
Richards expressed some reservations about the degree of undersupply of housing in the Australian market, but overall agreed with the common assessment that the relative shortage of housing supply would place a floor under the Australian market, in contrast to the oversupply situation in the USA:
“Whatever the true shortfall of dwellings, we can say with some confidence that our housing market is relatively tight. This can be contrasted with the US market which many observers characterise as having been subject to overbuilding during their housing boom. And the relative tightness of the Australian housing market is one factor that will support home-building in the period ahead.”
His conclusion supported the belief that, even though a recession will occur, the housing sector will not suffer price falls like those that are commonplace overseas, nor will problems with housing exacerbate the recession itself. If anything, the housing sector should boost the wider economy rather than drag it down:
First, the recent significant falls in the cash rate are having positive effects on the economy and the household sector, and have contributed to a significant improvement in household cash flows and in measures of housing affordability for people paying mortgages or contemplating home ownership. Second, although home-building is likely to remain weak in the near term, there are a number of factors which should support activity over the medium term, providing stimulus to the broader economy. Finally, when one looks at the behaviour of the household sector over the past five years – in particular the trends in housing prices, and household income, spending and borrowing – it is evident that there has been a significant degree of consolidation since the housing boom slowed in 2003. This will reduce the vulnerability of the household sector in the current slowdown.
Richards analysis, along with Battellino’s implicit endorsement of its conclusions, was picked up by commentators like Alan Woods in “Housing damage won’t be drastic” (The Australian, April 03):
Now, of course, we have the worst global recession since the ’30s and an international credit crisis, but an authoritative analysis last week by Anthony Richards, the Reserve Bank of Australia’s resident housing expert, highlights several important reasons for expecting Australian housing prices to perform better than in many other countries.
Woods was reassured by the reported fall in “the ratio of housing prices to income, … Richards says this suggests any overvaluation of housing prices in the boom years also has eased significantly”, and his qualified endorsement of the argument that house prices will be buoyed here by “the gap between housing supply and demand as a result of a rapidly growing population.” However on the latter point, Woods noted that “a shortage of housing hasn’t stopped a crash in prices in Britain”.
Overall, while he emphasised that Richards’ speech provided “an impressive list of positives”, he felt that the recession would still come out trumps: “the most likely outcome is at best a period of stagnating house prices, with a real risk of a fall, albeit a far more modest one than in the US and Britain.”
Now, in the spirit of Benjamin Disraeli, let’s take a slightly more critical look at the numbers–starting with the comparison of the median house price to income.
House Prices to Income
The footnote to Richards’ Graph 3 states that the figure used for average household disposable income was “after tax and before the deduction of interest payments”. This is curious, since the RBA’s own measure of household disposable income is after the deduction of interest payments (see RBA Bulletin Table G12 and the Notes).
The average line Richards drew on Graph 3 is also curious, since it is an average since 1993. This may reflect how long a time series for the median house price that the RBA got from the Real Estate Institute of Australia, but it would not have taken much effort to combine this with the ABS’s median house price indices and provide a house price to disposable income calculation that went back to 1987. That is done in the next Figure–using index numbers since I don’t have access to the REIA’s median house price data.
This Figure paints a very different picture of the current house price to income ratio.
Firstly, there are now “twin peaks”: unlike the RBA’s modified house price to disposable income ratio that peaked in 2004 and clearly fell thereafter, the highest value of this ratio was in January 2008. So on this measure, Australia’s house price bubble did go off the boil a bit in 2004, but it went right back on again in 2006. Rather than our house price adjustment starting before America’s, on this price to income comparison our bubble continued well after the acknowledged bursting of the US bubble in mid-2006.
Secondly, rather than the current value being just a smidgin above the 93-09 average, it’s 27% above it–and it’s one third higher than the “long term average” from 1987 till now.
So which ratio is more valid here–one derived prior to the payment of interest (Richards), the other derived after it? A case could be made for either: if you’re contemplating buying a house, then you’re contemplating taking on a interest payment burden (and principal repayment burden) that you don’t currently have; but on the other hand, you might be substituting rental payments (out of disposable income) for interest+principal payments.
So it could be seen as a judgment call as to which to use–in which case, for objective presentation of the data, you should present both.
Or perhaps use a few more indicators to decide which one, on balance, gives the more accurate picture. For example, here’s the ratio of the median house price index to GDP per head. It is currently 25% above the 86-08 average, and the second peak in early 2008 is 1.65% higher than its 2004 predecessor.
It’s also no secret that income has been massively skewed in favour of profits rather than wages in the last few decades. So how about a comparison of the house price index to average weekly wages (ABS 630203, Column J), which is a fairer analysis of how expensive housing is for the average family of workers?. This is currently 43% above the 86-08 average:
There are those pesky Twin Peaks again, and once more the second (in March 2008) is higher than the 2004 one the RBA prefers to see as the peak of the housing bubble–this time a substantial 9% higher, reflecting the continuing erosion in workers’ incomes over the last decade.
Certainly, it’s not possible to make a conclusive statement that 2003-04 marked the peak of the Australian house price bubble, as RBA officials have done on many occasions, nor can it be said that household affordability is now back at the “long term average”.
Which raises the next question: just how “average” was the 1986-2009 period, in the long sweep of Australian history?
House Prices over the really long term
The ABS has only maintained a comprehensive index of Australian house prices since mid-1986–a time when the hills were alive to the sound of Alan Bond and Christopher Skase. House prices rose 60% in the first three years of the index, far above the rate of inflation at the time. They then stalled for the next few years before more than tripling over the next 17 years–again, a rate of growth that far exceeded the rate of inflation. This 30-year-plus experience of continuously rising prices has helped shape the belief that house prices “always” rise faster than consumer prices.
But “always” is a much longer time span than a mere 30 years–something Robert Shiller appreciated when he and Karl Case developed the index of US house prices now known as the Case-Shiller Index. The key comparison Shiller makes is between house prices and consumer prices; this is the premiere indicator of the American market, and there it’s clear that the bubble has popped.
If we take a 25 year view, like that which Richards used in his paper, it could be argued that the fall in the index has almost brought the real price of American housing back to the average. Having plateaued at a value of 217 between 2005 and 2007, it has now fallen to 138, which is just 11% above the 85-09 average.
But if we look at the really long term–over the whole data set from 1890 till now–it’s apparent that the American market has some way to fall before it hits the average: even though it has already fallen 30% from its peak, it still has another 46% to go, if the real price of housing is constant over the long term.
That’s an if to which Shiller gives an emphatic “yes” to, based partly on his own data–which shows no trend to rising real house prices prior to the current bubble that clearly began in 1997–and partly on a yet longer term series still: the “Herengracht Index” that shows the real price of housing on a famous canal in Amsterdam over the three and a half centuries from 1628 till 1970. This index has at times risen for extended periods–such as over the 7 decades between 1814 and 1887 when the real price of a house on the Herengracht Canal rose almost fourfold. Anyone born at the beginning of that period could have easily been persuaded that house prices “always” rise faster than consumer prices.
But over the long term, there is no trend. For the next 7 decades, house prices tended down in real terms: the index fell 55% from the 1887 peak to be 40% below the long term average of 198 in 1951, when yet another upward trend occurred.
Could a similar proposition apply to Australia? Dr Nigel Stapledon set out to answer this question in his PhD, where he observed that:
The period since the early 1970s has been one in which house prices have risen quite significantly by any measure with the median capital city house prices in Australia having risen on average 3% per annum in real terms in the period 1970-2006. While the rises in Australia have been above the average for developed countries, the picture is similar in most OECD economies and Australia is by no means unique.
The question that can be asked is whether this period is unique for housing? Eichholtz (1997) has constructed a long term series for Amsterdam in Holland which spans the period 1628-1973. The broad picture that his time series paints is one of prices essentially showing no trend for three centuries, with cycles related to the economic events. Against that long term perspective the post 1970 rise in house prices in Holland stands out. But one city is probably not convincing…” (Stapledon 2007, p. 1)
Stapledon’s key data table gave the median capital city house price in current dollars, 2005 dollars, and 2005 dollars deflated by 0.6% p.a. to reflect increasing house quality. In the following graph I take Stapledon’s CPI and quality deflated index, extended to today using the last 2 years of ABS data deflated by the CPI. I then set the value to 100 in 1890 to enable easy comparison with the Case-Shiller real house price index for the USA.
One inference from this graph is that the recent Australian house price bubble began earlier at much the same time as the USA’s (1997), but began from an already higher base that can be dated back to the 1987 Stock Market Crash.
At that time, the Australian index was only marginally higher than the USA’s–132 for Australia versus 120.5 for the USA, a 10% difference. But the 25% fall in the Australian stock market on Black Tuesday ended the Antipodean flirtation with stocks, and we piled right back into our favourite speculative play: bricks and mortar. Most of the money borrowed by Australian households for speculative purposes then drove up house prices, whereas Americans spread their leveraged dollars between stocks and houses.
As a result, Australian house prices absorbed most of the speculative excess of the last thirty years, driving them to 3.5 times the long term average versus “just” twice the average in the USA.
Of course, it could be true that, as the property lobby keeps asserting, Australia is “different”, and trends that don’t exist elsewhere in the world rule in the land of the marsupials. Especially since virtually everyone now describes this crisis as “the worst since the Great Depression, it would have helped if the RBA had referred to this publicly available data when preparing its own comparison of current house prices to “long term” trends.
The Never-Ending UnderSupply Story
Richards did express some scepticism here on behalf of the RBA that Australia’s undersupply of housing was as marked as some commentators claim, but he still came down on the side of this widely shared belief:
“Whatever the true shortfall of dwellings, we can say with some confidence that our housing market is relatively tight. This can be contrasted with the US market which many observers characterise as having been subject to overbuilding during their housing boom. And the relative tightness of the Australian housing market is one factor that will support home-building in the period ahead.”
Curiously, one group that does not share this belief is Hometrack, the local branch of the UK housing intelligence research group. Just days after Richards’ speech, it released a press release in which it stated that:
the widely quoted views of many property market commentators who believe that Australia’s current building levels are not enough to meet the future demand for housing, may be based on inaccurate data calculations.
“Our analysis indicates Australia may already have an excess of housing. We estimate there are at least 10 million dwellings in Australia compared with ABS data showing occupied dwellings of 8.3 million. The extra one to two million dwellings consists of a mixture of housing awaiting sale or development, vacant dwellings, second homes, and abandoned homes,” he said.
He went on to say that the ABS method for calculating the ratio of people per dwellings is based on ABS census data which in turn is based upon occupied dwellings. However, he said, Hometrack analysis which is based on postal address data indicates that Australia’s current level of housing relative to its population is in line with other Anglo economies.
Following on from this, Darcy said that when looked at in the context of population growth, total residential building approvals have been running above demand.
“This points to a build-up of excess stock of housing over the past six years, despite the gap between building approvals and demand narrowing over recent months,” he said.
“The concern is that business and government decisions regarding the residential housing market in Australia are being made based on demand assumptions that differ from the actual behavior of the housing market. There will always be examples of areas with an undersupply, but it’s not clear from the data that we have an overall shortage relative to future demand.”
Similar views have been expressed on contrarian blog sites like Bubblepedia, Homes4Aussies, etc.; this is the first time this claim has been made by a commercial property research group. The claim that there are up to 2 million unoccupied houses in Australia may appear extreme, but that is the size of the gap between the number of houses that the ABS says are occupied (8.3 million) and the 10,150,000 street addresses in Australia Post’s PAF database. However, many of these are business addresses, holiday homes and the like. On the other hand, the ABS found that 800,000 private dwellings were unoccupied on Census Night 2006–close to Hometrack’s bottom estimate of 1 million unoccupied dwellings in 2009.
So how valid is Hometrack’s claim? One way to assess this is to look at the growth of population in Australia, and compare it to the growth in the number of dwellings. If this ratio was substantially above the ABS estimate of the average number of persons per occupied dwelling, then the undersupply thesis would be confirmed and Hometrack would be off-track.
Whoops. Over the period 1985-2009, an average of 1 residential dwelling was built per 1.75 new Australians, and only in the last 3 months has the rate of new building fallen behind population growth. This build rate is well in excess of the current ABS ratio of 2.55 persons per occupied dwelling. Only if 30% of new dwellings involved the demolition of existing properties–an improbably high number–would the rate of supply of new dwellings be running behind the rate of growth of population.
Far from having an undersupply of housing, Australia may well have a substantial oversupply. It’s just that no-one is living in many of them.
So what could these unoccupied residences be? Holiday homes? Some, of course, but surely not all of them. It is far more likely that many of these include “housing awaiting sale or development,” and “vacant dwellings”, as Hometrack put it.
A very likely cause of this large stock of unoccupied homes is Australia’s system of negative gearing. Most “investors” build houses not for the rental income, but for capital gains, and rental returns in Australia are now so low that for many investors, the drawbacks of renting–damage to property, having to manage tenants, etc.–are not worth the rental income. Better to keep the property off the rental market, and claim the loss against tax. The under-supply of housing to the rental market, and the alleged shortage of properties for sale, could be a perverse result of Australia’s peculiar property development laws.
This implies that the market dynamics could turn out to be very different than those who believe there is an oversupply expect. If prices start to fall substantially, then many owners who have kept their properties off the market may be motivated to bring them out of mothballs. The “undersupply” of both rental properties and houses for sale could thus evaporate, and rather than supply issues putting a floor beneath house prices, they could well pull the rug out from underneath them instead.
A final issue considered only tangentially by Richards, but vital to the question of whether “the forces of supply and demand” will prop up Australian house prices, is leverage.
Exit, Stage Down
In defending the dominant view that Australian house prices are justified by supply and demand, Richards observed that:
“the relatively high level of housing prices in Australia is to a large extent a reflection of demand and the collective decisions of households. That is, housing prices have not been set at high levels by some external force. They are at their current levels because buyers in aggregate – with their incomes, preferences, access to finance, and other influences – have been willing to pay those prices.” (Richards; emphasis added)
This is a fairly typical piece of neoclassical economic thinking: prices reflect the interaction of supply and demand, and are therefore justified. In most markets, there’s not much wrong with this way of thinking; but there’s something unique about housing. You don’t take out a loan to buy the groceries, but you do to buy a house. What therefore will happen to demand if lenders become less willing to provide “access to finance”?
While the boom was on, loan to valuation ratios (LVRs) were rising; now they are falling as credit standards tighten. Though average LVRs are of the order of 50%, it’s the marginal LVR that matters, since that’s the source of leverage for new buyers. Accurate data on this isn’t easily available, but the impact of a drop in leverage can be dramatic. A fall from 95% to 90% in the maximum LVR a lender approves will halve the amount of money that a buyer can bid for a property.
Economists who apply a standard “supply and demand” mindset to analysing the property market seem to consider that demand can shift “left and right” as the volume of buyers falls and rises with time; but they seem to ignore that the “demand curve” for housing can shift up and down as well, in response to the willingness of lenders to increase or decrease their LVRs. A substantial fall in LVRs to new buyers could thus reduce the price that would-be buyers can offer, even if there was a physical shortage of properties.
Conclusion: Safe as Houses?
The data in support of the belief that Australian house prices will not suffer during the forthcoming recession is therefore nowhere near as conclusive as Richards’ speech implies. The price index might well be driven higher in coming months by the artificial stimulus imparted by the doubling of the First Home Buyers Grant (see FHB Boost is Australia’ s “ Sub-prime Lite”); but the downside risks to Australian house prices could be every bit as big as those that apply in other OECD nations.
Australia is not therefore justified in being “relaxed and comfortable” about house prices, despite the RBA’s assurances to the contrary.
This would not be an issue were the RBA simply another property market advocate: it’s common practice for both sides of the property market to quote data that supports one side and ignore the other. However, the RBA is not supposed to take sides in this debate, but instead to set monetary policy in the best interests of Australia as a whole.
I have argued consistently that, in common with Central Banks throughout the world, the RBA has failed in this task because it has followed an economic philosophy–known as “neoclassical economics”–that is fundamentally flawed. But this is something that, in some ways, the RBA can’t really be held accountable for: its economists are simply a product of academic economics departments around the world, and since these are dominated by neoclassical economists, most graduates are not going to know that there is any other way to think about the economy.
However when it comes to statistics, the RBA should play the role of honest broker rather than advocate. Its monthly Bulletin Statistical Tables provide a valuable resource. I believe its time would be better spent in developing robust, long term statistics on the housing market than in presenting selective data like that given in this speech.
END OF COMMENTARY
Comments on Data
The latest set of figures imply that the Great Deleveraging is well and truly underway. Aggregate private debt rose by a mere $326 million in the last month, with only mortgage debt turning in a positive–and were it not for the FHB Boost, the aggregate debt level would certainly have fallen.
Table One
Table Two
While debt levels have to fall, this process will necessarily cause a dramatic blowout in unemployment. Since our economy became so utterly debt-dependent, the contribution that rising debt makes to aggregate demand has come to dominate changes in economic activity and unemployment. The recent “larger than expected” increase in unemployment will become a recurrent phenomenon this year, as the change in debt starts to reduce aggregate demand rather than increase it.
In this respect, we are not so much different to the USA as merely running behind it in time. The explosion in unemployment that has virtually doubled unemployment there in the last two years will occur here, and possibly at an even faster rate.
As in the USA, what the authorities are interpreting as a liquidity crisis is actually a solvency crisis. Debt levels are now so high that the only way is down, and there are no other groups who can be encouraged to take on yet more debt and thus pull us out of this crisis as household borrowing did when it brought “the recession we had to have” to a close.
Now the only way forward is via deleveraging, and the great danger is that this will occur in a climate of falling prices–deflation–as well as falling output. This process could drive aggregate debt to GDP levels even higher–as it is now doing in the USA: there the ratio of debt to GDP is rising sharply, even though the rate of increase of debt has dropped. Fisher’s Paradox–that the attempt to reduce debt levels can actually cause debt levels to rise–is now with us once more. The world is paying a terrible price for listening to Milton Friedman and ignoring Irving Fisher and Hyman Minsky.






April 6th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Did anyone catch Today Tonight (6th April)regarding ‘The Value of Your Home by 2020′
http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/article/5481349/money/value-home-2020
It was embarrassing.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Really the only question is whether Rudd (Stevens doesn’t seem too impressed by the idea) can create another housing bubble, in his quest to be most populist PM ever. Maybe we could have a $50,000 first home buyers grant, and something for second home buyers as well. Maybe a GST exemption on housing.
Low interest rates and public debt got the Americans out of recession in 2001 and it has worked so well for them. Maybe it will work the same for us. Be very afraid.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
timeo danao et dona ferentes ken,
to very loosley paraphrase
“beware of greeks bearing gifts”
or in this case beware of governments bearing gifts.
April 6th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
great post steve- dont know how you find enought time in the day to do this stuff. you obvioulsy dont need to sleep. good genetics perhaps, or is it drugs- only joking!!
anyway we are very gratefull. i’ve suddenly become alot smarter due to your efforts.
another piece of claptrap re housing, this time courtesy of today tonight
http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/article/5481349/money/value-home-2020
April 6th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Thanks again. Where do you find the time?
I wondered what you know about the notion of “underlying demand”? Nobody seems to know where these figures come from.
Even the (Senate) Select Committee on Housing Affordability report says the source of the figures are a mystery. They say they come from “Treasury and ABS”, the HIA and ANZ but there is no more information than that.
April 6th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
hi Steve,
I think the agreement by the big banks & the government to introduce the mortgage relief plan demonstrates the official belief on housing prices is somewhat different from that being said.
This is understandable; all of their policies seem to be aimed at stopping the bubble burst (& related catastrophes that would follow) and eventually (I hope) letting the bubble deflate slowly, over a period of a decade or more.
My question is whether you think the mortgage relief plan will go somewhere toward achieving this, or if the impact of the GFC is going to be too overwhelming for the housing market in the short term?
April 6th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
I believe the neo-classical thinking is predicated upon two assumptions.
Firstly the recession will turn in around one year’s time.
Secondly that the government can stimulate the economy to expedite the turn and not fall as far.
That is why we may just see a larger FHOG come May. The government leaning upon the banks to not foreclose within one year of losing your job is another sign that this is their belief. That is why they are throwing so much money around, because it will be just for a relatively short while. (how great will be their surprise if we fall into the Japan’s lost decade, where individuals entered with little debt, as most debt was held by business – Steve’s senario)
And I reiterate. Rudd will not get elected if there is a dramatic fall in residential property prices. I sometimes think Australians will rather be unemployed than lose value on their properties. As Dire Straits sang; “Money for nothing and your chicks(FHOG) for free…”
April 7th, 2009 at 12:00 am
As a person who has bought and sold many properties over the years , I have always found that the only way to accurately value a property is to value the house and the land separately, Over time , it’s the land component that appreciates , whereas the building depreciates , and like anything you buy new , the highest depreciation is in the beginning ,thus the old real estate saying “always buy the worst house in the best street ” and the reason I was never interested in apartments (8 apartments on a 1000 square meter block =125 square meters of land each ).
This, to my mind , is why the new home buyer is a lamb to the slaughter in times like these.
Just my opinion
April 7th, 2009 at 12:18 am
an alternative conclusion from the chart Population Growth vs New Dwelling Construction is that avg household size has been falling (more people living alone, smaller families etc)
April 7th, 2009 at 12:22 am
It seems that the RBA has made the freshman mistake of confusing a stock (prices) with a fluctuating flow (variable interest rates). They also seem to have forgotten the need to pay off principal. Houses used to be payed off in 7 years. Now they are payed off in 30, if the rate hikes don’t bankrupt you.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:36 am
“a shortage of housing hasn’t stopped a crash in prices in Britain”.
there is no shortage of housing in the UK.
Rents are dropping due to oversupply.estimates from various agencies put the number of empty homes at 1 million.
the problem is that most of the vendors want 2007 prices.
they’re gonna be empty some time.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:41 am
Look for the good in the property bubble deflation: unconventional economists and critics of neoclassicism will have some ammo with which to bash neoclassicals with. 99.9% of economists in Australia will not have seen the property bubble.
Neoclassicals can go the way of bankers: http://www.londonclasswar.org/images/Cw95cover%5B1%5D.JPG
April 7th, 2009 at 12:44 am
The real estate shills are everywhere. Trying to entice the last suckers to enter the market.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:53 am
Another great set of statistics Steve. Fortunately you also provide the commentary – so we are not deluded by the property spruikers.
I know your focus for this post is on residential property but I can’t help but post this item from The Australian on commercial property. IMHO the current weakness in the commercial sector will soon be followed by the residential sector.
“There have been NO major CBD office property sales since the financial crisis intensified in the second half of 2008.
Head of research with Richard Ellis, Kevin Stanley, said there were only 10 commercial property sales worth more than $100 million last year and most were early in the year and reflected pricing established in 2007, when there were 32 sales.”
and on No1 Martin Place
“The property’s valuation has been cut from $530 million to $485 million, however, the only offer received to date has been at $410 million.”
That is 32 sales in 2007, 8 in early 2008 and 0 (yep zero) in the past 8 months. With the price of No 1 martin Place falling by 23% in less than 2 years.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25286005-643,00.html
April 7th, 2009 at 1:56 am
Hi Steve,
Thanks for the new member approval.
Apologizes for going a little out of topic here in an attempt to understand more debt deflation vs. quantitative easing.
This is a question that I have been struggling for a while now: in an attempt to prevent deflation, central banks are embarking on the QE path, i.e. buying its own government bonds, be it for mass projects, bank bailouts, etc.
Many analysts say this will cause hyperinflation in the future. I kind of disagree, but not very sure if what I’m thinking is correct. And here’s what I think after reading your awesome paper “The Roving Cavaliers of Credit”:
Basically QE/printing money is just another form of credit creation, right? And as you rightly put it, the flip side of credit is debt. And debt can be deflated. So, in turn the credit created via QE can also be deflated again, can it?
So, in essence due to asset prices collapse, deleveraging, wealth destruction, etc. we have this huge hole, let’s call it H. Then QE is creating credit, let’s call it C, to plug in H. But in turn, C can become H’, needing C’ to plug it in. Then C’ becomes H”, etc. Essentially the money (credit) created will get destroyed (deflated) again as long as the economy is slumping.
In this line of thinking, my opinion is that inflation will not come until the economy really grows again and hence the market itself is creating its own money (credit). And when the economy picks up, the inflation cycle will be mild, as opposed to hyperinflation (as many pundits think).
Is this a right line of thinking, Steve? So, essentially my thinking is although governments are going on the QE path, in the future there may not be hyperinflation at all.
I’m looking at Japan, it has been doing QE for the better part of 10 years, yet it’s still under severe deflationary pressures. And it’s even getting more severe. So, is what I explained above (the H-C stuff) what approximately happened in Japan?
Thanks in advance for the help. Keep up the excellent work, Steve.
-Roger
April 7th, 2009 at 2:03 am
Another fine piece.
You could have pointed out that the housing stats we have are predominantly capital cities, so we have no early warnings of the situation in areas dominated by holiday homes, like much of the coast from Qld to Vic. We also have no stats about volumes, which I believe are well down this year.
I see a tipping point, at which enough people realise that future capital gains are illusory and dump excess properties rather than endure continuing rental losses. Rising unemployment and bankruptcies would be the trigger, perhaps soon.
April 7th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Steve..thank you for a great paper. Sometimes watching and reading MSM I start to think…”maybe it is me that is mad after all!” Now at a personal level that may be a moot point but your writings remind me that logically I’m not the crazy one.
Maybe someone knowledgable might be able to sort me out here. I was thinking about the LVR ratio
“Though average LVRs are of the order of 50%”
Since many properties being bought have been purchased by people mortgaging their first house to buy a second, might it be that this LVR ratio is “skewed” and as a guide to real leverage is really irrelevant. If no cash is put down, and the loan is simply ‘guaranteed’ by another house, the real loan is 100% of valuation? In a period of declining liquidity, and when a market crosses its ‘tipping point’ I would think this factor would become very relavant.
Am I way off beam here?
April 7th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Australian house prices are clearly at the top of a very steep roller coaster, about to take a swift ride to the bottom.
In future, could you overlay the house prices, unemployment (inverse) and Kevin Rudd’s popularity rating on the same graph?
My bet is that the government’s popularity will plummet in synchrony with the fall in house prices, and Rudd will be a two term Prime minister.
I’m predicting that Rudd will win the election called late this year, or early next year, but that he will then be pilloried as a terrible economic manager in a similar way that Gough Whitlam was. Massive unemployment, massive debt, high interest rates… historians judge on results, and his are going to be truly awful.
April 7th, 2009 at 8:04 am
On the question of affordability, interest rates can sure move a lot more quickly than one can reduce one’s debt levels. I’ve always regarded ‘affordability’ or ‘net wealth’ calculations based on low interest rates as very suspect.
Before this train wreck in the USA, there were many arguments put that debt didn’t matter because of the high net worth of US households. Well, the average high net worth number has been given a bad bashing in just 18 months.
I suspect that ‘housing affordability’ and ‘net worth
April 7th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Hi RogerJarema,
Your analysis is pretty accurate. New government money is normally created by the government issuing bonds, the Central Bank buying those bonds, and then the government either spending that money or distributing it via welfare. If the CB then on-sells the bonds to the public, the government then has a debt-servicing obligation to them (debt servicing by the government to the CB is notional and could be zero at its will).
What the government is hoping is that the “money multiplier” will work, and that requires the private banks who receive this money via TARP and its like to on-lend to the private sector.
As Cavaliers explains, this ain’t how the money supply works, even in good times. In bad, the liquidity the government gives to the private banks may well sit there unlent, not merely because banks don’t want to lend but because the general public doesn’t want to borrow. So there might be a slight increase in credit creation as a result of the Base Money injections, but far less than the government is expecting.
This is what happened in Japan, as you surmise.
Expect accusations from the government that the banking sector is “hoarding” reserves shortly!
April 7th, 2009 at 8:41 am
That’s feasible, but the gap between the two is huge and has been sustained for 20 years–yet the ABS’s recording of the number of occupants per occupied dwelling have been trending downwards much more slowly than this large gap would imply.
April 7th, 2009 at 8:45 am
“Expect accusations from the government that the banking sector is “hoarding” reserves shortly!”
Yes and exactly what happened already in the US and the UK.
The banking sector have had it.
By the way, I have come to the opinion that these others who end up banging on about gold and the stock market in nearly every thread are engaging in a kind of hypocrisy. This site, I think, and most heterodox economics, I think, are benevolent and constructive in their aims. They hope to encourage some economic framework in which productive things get done more easily.
The others on this site who persist on the topics of gold and the stock market are simply hoping to make money off the price of gold or stocks. This is antithesis and anathema to this site.
April 7th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Steve,
Fantastic information on your blog.
The supposed housing shortage in Australia must be based somehow on a concept of how much space/housing each person “wants”. But as expectations role back due the already underway depression how much are they going to need?
Using housing realities in most of Asia and Africa, I reckon Australia’s entire population could be accommodated in less than half of the existing housing in the nation.
April 7th, 2009 at 9:41 am
If Karl Marx was alive today he’d say “Property speculation is the opiate of the masses”
April 7th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Another excellent article there, Professor Steve.
Like ken said on comment 2,
“Low interest rates and public debt got the Americans out of recession in 2001 and it has worked so well for them. Maybe it will work the same for us. Be very afraid.”
I have also been wondering. Our public debt is, at least to my understanding, to be not as bad as in the US. (at least until the recent budget forecast and from others as well) Who knows if the government decide to pop up the market long enough to at best, stagnate the prices for over a decade to let inflation catch up with it?
But then of course, these public debt would have to be repaid eventually.
The gap in vacant and occupied dwelling has been a very curious discussion for quite a while. There is really no hard evidences to explain why such a gap has been there for so long.
Are there data to illustrate how many investors are holding their properties for the purpose of capital gain / depreciation cash flow only and don’t rent it out? How dominant is this?
I sincerely hope your research will reach the wider audience amoung mainstream public over time. Unfortunately, it is still not getting into their ears because property has always been an extremely sensitive issue to discuss. It is theortically impossible for anyone to have an unbiased view because of vested interest. (i.e. either you own a property or you don’t and hope to buy into one at a lower price)
You will bet if I post your article on a pro-property forum (and everybody know what is it!), most will debunk your research or even criticise yourself with full force. I have since given up on persuading them simple because I cannot fight against raw human genetic trait.
Anyway, like you said the RBA is supposed to be unbiased. But unfortunately, political pressure has force them to side with the current government in power in an attempt to “fix” the economy and not create further panics.
It would be great if you could write something about the latest “initative” from the government with the Big 4 on the 12 months mortgage interest deferment holiday period in your next blog post? I’m interest to hear your view and what is to be expected from it? Most seem to view this to be an excellent idea beacuse the banks, at least from the surface, are taking the risk themselve. Though I suspect that the government has provided some sort of non-contgractual guarantee to them in the event that bad loan losses increase or the economy has gone worser than expected, again! I think it’s a given that the banks always feel such a guarantee from the government has always existed.
Thanks again!!!
April 7th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Another excellent post. Steve, where do you find the time? I hope that the media gives this the publicity it deserves. They have a tendency to ignore more complex and well reasoned arguments in favor of the wisdom of simpletons whose messages are more easily broken down into media grabs. And of course, real property interests can pay for airtime.
Incidentally, the roller coaster analogy raised by SuitablyIronicMoniker is an excellent way of presenting where we stand with respect to long term house prices to an audience that has a limited understanding of economics.
The following link illustrates a plot of the case Schiller index up to 2007 to the program Railway Tycoon.
http://www.speculativebubble.com/videos/real-estate-roller-coaster.php
It beautifully illustrates how the US housing market was positioned relative to its long term trend as at 2007. I wonder how it would look if Australian house price data is plotted in the same way?
Thanks for including the bubblepeadia and homes4aussies link in the post.
April 7th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Hi Frank,
I think it is up to Steve to moderate his site as he chooses.
Thus far, and as someone who comments sometimes on stock indexes and gold, I think the wide range of comments here are almost as intellectually attractive as Steve’s well researched posts. Always well worth the read. So, FWIW, I vote for sticking with what is undoubtedly a winning formula. After all, no one is being forced to read the commentary here.
April 7th, 2009 at 11:21 am
I agree Macca; while Frank is right that this emphasis of this site is definitely on analysis, I’m fairly happy with the mix of market comment plus analysis right now. I hope in the next month to get the discussion list up and running as well, which might help structure things a bit better.
I must commend the way people here handle disagreements over matters like this by the way–it’s a delight to be involved in a robust but always civil discussion.
April 7th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Hi Steve,
Thanks very much indeed for this.What an excellent and timely piece!
The battle lines are well and truly drawn for the minds and wallets of the nation. You have blown away what clearly are many myths supporting Australia’s house price bubble.
The events of the last few weeks, particularly in the US, lead me to believe that the US and therefore Australia is heading for a long period of declining economic growth.Not unlike Japans experience.The imploded balance sheets of US banks will see to that.The best this Administration could do is “manage” the economic decline with lot’s of smoke and mirrors- which will prove ineffective against against the overwhelming force of consumer deleveraging.If the US economy doesn’t or cannot grow, the global economy stagnates during a restructuring period. How long? At least 5 years I would estimate.
OECD populations are not only avoiding new debt, but paying down old debt, hence the move to thrift.In the next year or so Gov’ts are going to exhaust their QE type firepower as stimulous and the real extent of the economic declines that await will become clear. Until then much hope is placed on the stimulous being enough. But it won’t, it can’t.
Considering also the huge deficit spending the Australian Govt is initiating now , all this translates to me is “soft” declines from here on Australian house prices, rather than an outright crash, given that many postcodes have seen 20% plus declines already. Which is all Rudd and Co need to get through the next election successfully.
Australia’s outright economic crisis has been moved into the future for now.I would say 12-18 months and will arise when reality dawns that our export economy will not be coming back. Then, I expect it will become a currency/external debt crisis.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Hi Steve,
I have some thoughts on demand to add to your overall theory. The thoughts already seem to fit with your theory in the most part.
The simplistic demand supply graph I happily swallowed as an undergraduate doesn’t always work. This has been discussed on this site many times.
Using the housing market as an example, I will illustrate some of the simplistic theory’s failings.
Early on in a new up-trend, prices are low, demand is low. As prices rise more people “win” and so new people are attracted to buy houses. Also as the wins become more frequent, some existing buyers speculate by buying multiple houses. What is happening is that both demand and prices are rising. (but how can this be?) Now as that up-trend (or bull market) begins to reach maturity, the demand growth becomes weaker and weaker (still positive, just not growing as strongly) even though price is still rising (sometimes even faster at the end. This weaker demand trend may begin to signal a turn.
The conflict here is that demand changes throughout the trend cycle. Poor to begin with. Strongest in the middle and then begins to wane at the end (sometimes a speculative blow off can make demand appear strongest at the end). Even though prices have been rising all the time. I know that you are onto this Steve, because you have described this often.
It’s the path back down, where the simplistic Demand Supply theory totally falls apart.
Early after a trend change to the negative, Falling demand is muted. Many people hang on in hope and many people display strong demand (a carry over from the previous trend). Once the new trend cements itself to the downside though, the fall in demand escalates as prices fall. People panic, are forced to dump or just “cut their losses”. (but the simplistic theory says when prices are falling demand should extend, but the opposite occurs). Then as this trend matures, the fall in demand tends to wane a bit (selling pressure can appear strongest at the end, but this is usually just a final blow off). It is still negative, but not as widespread as it was in the middle. Then once all that negative energy is washed out, the trend turns up again.
Conclusion. If some clever economist was to model the changing nature of demand through the cycles both bullish and bearish. It may be a more practical fit and give a much better understanding of how the real world works. All the prevailing theory appears to model, is how demand reacts in a bullish world.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
I saw the Today Tonight program,listed by others above.The main urger/shill was “Professional Property forecaster Terry Ryder”. It did not say they were interviewing him in an institute for the bewildered, but it came across that way. His forward projections for retail house prices in Australia to the year 2020 are simply todays prices increased by about 6.5% per annum compounding, as far as I can analyse them. THE TRIUMPH OF HOPE OVER REASON? For all that, you have to live somewhere. Not many people in Australia are living under bridges or in abandoned tenements. we are being forced as residential investors to behave as speculators, by our unique tax,capital gains and many other laws. What I want to know is why the prices of old gritters in old suburbs with old services are going up as fast as new prices in new developments with new services. The rising tide effect? I linked to the Demographia website http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf for an analysis of International Housing Affordability Report 2009. There is on page nine et seq. a comprehensive analysis of the destructive effect of prescriptive land use regulations, (local councils and state governments) together with tables of the “Severely Unaffordable Housing Category-1″. As Aussies you will be pleased to know we are right up there leading in spectacular placings over every other civilised country in the world. As I see it,this is because everyone in the Australian real estate industry (councils, developers, builders, consultants, banks, mortgage lenders, real estate agents, urgers like Terry Ryder)is aware there is an endless supply of sheeple (victims) to be fleeced, and if you don’t get them someone else will. There is no possibility of competition from foreign competitors, as there is with manufactured goods. For this reason, I think there will not be as severe a decline in housing prices here as one would expect from a purely financial or economic point of view. I just got a valuation of $195,000.00 from the Valuer General NSW for 285.5 square metres in a residential development in North West Sydney. All Council rates and many other prices are predicated on that. Restrictive zoning laws force up prices of available land, and everyone in the building industry has to proceed from that point whether they like it or not.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Macca et al,
I have noted yours and others consistently negative sentiments regarding the Australian external account, particularly in so far as it is driven by Chinese demand. An assessment of where China is at appears important as it will influence whether Australia muddles it’s way through a serious recession or descends into a Minskian hell.
Whilst you may be correct, I am not so quick to dismiss that which is going on in China as the last gasp of the export machine with domestic demand being propped up by government infrastructure spending which cannot go on forever, with no evidence of increased domestic consumption and with increased chances of social collapse.
My guess, based upon some 20 years working in China, is that the higher probability (say 60%) is that the Chinese state will somehow muddle it’s way thorough the current contraction. That it will use Government demand to prop up final demand, whilst at the same time stimulating domestic consumer demand. All of this happening in the context of consumers who are very lightly burdened with debt and corporate debt and a banking system that is probably in better shape than it has been in the past (even if it is all relative).
If this were to eventuate one could see Australia deleveraging it’s household sector over a period in a relatively benign manner via inflation, with the Australian economy managing a little growth via the external account, which would not have collapsed.
April 7th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Hi HPT,
I don’t believe I have stated anywhere I believed we could write off China. In fact yesterday I posted an article showing how China might profit from the GFC in taking up increased market share of world production, at the expense of the US.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200904/chinese-innovation
My sense is the similar yours in that respect despite that China is undeniably struggling and will suffer economic decline worse than is commonly advertised. However, as someone who has worked overseas for more than 20 years I can assure you China has a plethora of sources other than Australia for it’s resource needs, notably in Africa and South America. So sould China “muddle through”, this does not to my mind equate with suddenly increased demand for the things Australia produces. China’s presence and influence in the production of resources are a price dampener in the economic situation we now find ourselves.
Australia’s export economy subsequently has changed significantly and likely as not, will not return to the boom years any time soon. Australia’s adjustment to that, and our rapidly expanding offshore exposures, will usher in a painful economic period.
April 7th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Great post Steve, and thanks for linking to my site.
Just wanted to add that I think the reason our market did not correct significantly after the late 80s “boom” – unlike in the UK and US – had to do with the reintroduction of negative gearing by Keating, which entrenched the speculative premium (that you mentioned) not just because NG was back in place, but because of a much more perverse market distortion – the significant moral hazard it created – the view that housing is such a politically contentious issue that any Aussie government will do anything to prevent prices from falling. This view is currently rife – and it is being used as the number 1 propaganda tool of choice. It’s pretty much the main argument young Rory used in “The Debate”
The problem the current government has now is that distortions have carried the market to a peak, and to get it to maintain that peak (let alone go higher, to give property “investment” a reasonable return through capital gain) even more distortions must be added.
And, call me a party poopa, but I don’t think the government will introduce a 10th home owners grant of $100,000.
I don’t accept that the “average” Aussie wants to see distortion after distortion, at great taxpayer expense and at great cost to genuinely struggling Aussies, to keep prices in a bubble. Aussies are also going to see through the propaganda and realise that the social housing initiatives are really aimed at propping up house prices, thus, instead of helping lower income Aussies, actually causing the majority to continue to “suffer”. That word is actually the word Tony Richards used in the same speech last year – interesting it was ommitted this year – but the entire paper, every sentence and every graph, has the feel that it was heavily scrutinised by many levels to ensure that it contained no political ammunition at all.
I do believe we Aussies are still a fair bunch at heart, and it’s not going to be long before it is politically beneficial to stop the rot (along the lines that BTB has suggested in previous threads, with a swing back towards genuine fiscal conservatism – certainly the opposition is working on this assumption.)
The interesting thing to occur lately is that Rudd has been played by industry – if he allowed the bubble to continue to pop at the same rate, he could have blamed the previous government and the global financial crisis.
But with the talk of the boost “creating” a bubble, well Mr Rudd now owns this housing bubble as if it was just created (smart by the industries!) And note it is industry that is actually using the word bubble – it’s a classic pincher move – he now owns the bubble and the political ramifications of it popping. Perhaps that is why his government has come out and said the “boost” will not be continued… perhaps they think they can get out before they really own the bubble…. or perhaps they really are going to take a punt on the 10th home buyer grant
Even if they do go for another distortion, I think that we are entering the point where the implicit gaurantee of Government intervention to keep house prices elevated has expired. And I personally don’t think more distortions could prevent the bubble from popping in anycase on the basis of Steve’s work and market psychology.
As I said on a recent thread on Bubblepedia, the zebra herd has zigged – sure a few goals were tricked into zagging into the path of the loans (actually, this was a typo – but how amazingly appropriate – I meant to say “lions” of course) – but the herd has now seen the threat and it is not going to stop running in the other direction until it is well out of danger (and hopefully some of those foals will catch back up….)
April 7th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
HPT
The external accout is primarily Australia’s problem not China’s. We have never paid our way for the last thirty three years and Outback Oracle will remind me for only one of the last fifty years we actually paid our way. Our current “prosperity” depends on the continuation of this practice. Not only that, the amount we now need to borrow has increased exponentially and now stands at AU$80,000,000,000 per year as at the end of 2008.
An improvement in the Chinese situation would restore some demand for minerals in China but this would still require these enormous borrowing by Auistralia to cover the gap.
Benign deleveraging by inflation would threaten the exchange rate which could cause more inflation and so on until the situation became far from benign.
We have only been able to treat this external debt as insignificant because the US was doing the same and getting away with it because their currency has reserve status. Now the US is comming unstuck and so will we. Our debt is worse than that of the US if we take it on a per capita basis.
If this debt increase is to continue who is going to pay the interest bill? Something must “give” failure and deleveraging is inevitable.
We have ignored Japanese and then Chinese protectionism while failing to protect our own technological capability, all for the sake of our bankers and sleek importers. Look where they have lead us!
Our days of exploiting remote Chinese slave labour are at an end. Minskian hell has been well and truly earned by our fifty years of bludging.
April 7th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Macca,
If your arguments is that the terms of trade have changed for commodity and services exporters to China, such as Australia and that there will be resultant short term drop in national income, then I agree.
However, you also appear to be arguing that Australia will not be competitive over the medium haul and will not pick up a decent proportion of any Chinese demand expansion.
I disagree. I can see no inherent reason why Australia cannot over the medium term pick up its relatively small share of any Chinese demand expansion, in commodities and services, which whilst of small significance for the world’s second largest economy, is a significant addition to national income for a small nation such as Australia.
April 7th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Brightspark1,
Whilst I share some of Steve’s concerns with the weaknesses in neo-classical international trade theory, for the moment I cannot join you in arguing for a withdrawal to protectionism.
For the moment I think that it is a better use of Steve’s time for him to be teaching fee paying Chinese students his brand of economics at UWS, than for him to be hand assembling disposable toys in an Australian based factory for distribution via MacDonalds.
April 7th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
HPT
I don’t think Protectionism is necessary as such. However at some stage we have to arrive at a value for the Aussie dollar where we can at least Balance our Current Account. As BS opines, this parabolic increase in Foreign debt cannot go on forever. I’m not sure how this is achieved. Modern economic theory says it is impossible but for mine the Chinese seem to do OK at it (with some qualifications). At the A$ value that balances our Current Account, there would be a lot more competitive industries.
This presumes holding a lot of other things constant which i’m sure Steve would remind me does not happen.
April 7th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Speckie
You might also be interested in this youtube video of a rollercoaster based on Aussie house prices
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdFPDdwys0Y
It is by “tom” a contributor on Bubblepedia
I believe he is currently working on a video with the UK and US tracks running aside….
April 7th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Even if China does somehow manage to increase domestic demand the other 4 big consumers of resources have plunged , so the prices demanded by Australian mines for their minerals will be severely affected – and I suspect their costs will remain the same if not increase i.e. increased wage demands and union activity – it was only a few months ago that BHP Kloppers was telling the Chinese to take it on his terms or go to the open market . I think that’s going to bite him in the backside.
On housing , I noted on this site some time ago that I couldn’t see the housing shortage that the RBA and others keeping on talking about – housing hording maybe – by those individuals who found ( with the help of the various financial services available , at a cost of course ) some large amounts of residual “value” in their existing properties – I see many many blocks in Hobart which have been subdivided , a new house built on it and yet there is still vacant land , 4.5 yrs later and very little if nothing has happened – if this shortage existed developers would knocked something up in no time – but its those families , which have been snookered into become speculators , which have borrowed , subdivided and – well lets wait and see – and hence the banks recent limp attempt to assure the market they will step in to help distressed homeowners should something go wrong .
Thanks for the great site Steve
April 7th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Thanks Steve
Readers may have noticed some other numbers relating to housing supply being put about recently – in particular, that Australia has a housing shortage of 85 000 dwellings.
This number was given by the Housing Minister, Tanya Plibersek, during her participation in the ABC’s ‘Q and A’ show last week, and in the Herald’s report of Battellino’s speech to the developers.
This number comes from the recent National Housing Supply Council’s ‘State of Supply’ report. It is important to understand what it represents: it is the sum of the number of dwellings required to house the homeless, plus the number of additional dwellings required to raise the rental vacancy rate to 3 per cent.
It takes no account of the number of unoccupied dwellings. The 2006 Census counted 830 000 unoccupied dwellings – almost ten times the number of dwellings need to house the homeless and get a decent vacancy rate. And as Steve points out, Hometrack puts the number even higher.
So the supply problem is not a simple shortage of houses, but rather that so many of the houses we produce don’t go to meeting the housing needs of the community.
If you’re interested, there’ more about this on the Tenants’ Union’s blog, the Brown Couch:
http://tunswblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/state-of-supply.html
None of this is a knock on the Council’s report, which also includes an interesting analysis of ’supply’ problems in the rental market. The TU’s digest of this is also on the blog:
http://tunswblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/state-of-supply-part-2-rental-market.html
thanks again
April 7th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
hey frank,
re those of us who bang on about stocks and gold.
quite happy to talk about anything under the sun,
even if you have any favourite recipes you’d like to share.
have always found your input entertaining and insightfull
April 7th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Steve, is there any evidence to suggest there is widespread gaming of negative gearing. That is, are people indeed keeping rental properties vacant and claiming deductions anyway?
April 7th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
hi chris tennants union / home4aussies,
i would be interested to get your opinion on why we would have such a large number of unoccupied homes. could it be a statistical aberation due to issues with the surveys or is it as steve thinks a phenomenon of the investment housing market and people flipping houses as oppossed to putting them on rental market.
there has also been a trend in the last 10 years for hotel operators to sell units within their properties and lease them back again from the owners. from the owners point of view how does the government deal with this in there statistics. could this have a meaningfull effect on the statistics.
April 7th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Mahaish, not sure if Dan from Bubblepedia comments here, but he has very well developed sense for this issue.
My view is that it is NOT a statistical abberation, and it is a product of the long period of economic “prosperity” (aka bubble economy). I think it most certainly is partly a product of house price speculation as Steve nicely discussed. It is also a product of a highly leveraged middle class buying discretionary holiday homes, which by all reports are being offloaded at a fast pace.
April 7th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
hi outback, and also hpt
if our current account comes back to positive or neutral territory we should all head for the nearest cliff to join the lemmings allready waiting there.
the excrement will have well and truely hit the chinese made aiconditioner.
in the beauty contest for global capital we still need to get the sash and the cash. it may be one of the few things that allows us FOR THE TIME BEING to get through this global downturn with only a few bumps and bruises as opposed to loosing an arm or a leg.
history is not on our side though. in the 30’s capital inflows to commodity based economies virtually stopped. lets hope we havnt lost our good looks and people are still willing to give us money!
i suppose the governments plan A is to keep the bubble going or worst case get a very slow leak, for long enough to see a rebound in the global economy and in particular china, and hense get a bounce in the terms of trade, which will alow us to deleverage in a more orderly way, through growing our income as oppossed to liquidating the debt in a more dramatic fashion.
i actually feel we may be able to pull this off and hense things here wont be anywhere near as bad as elsewhere. my apologies to all the chicken littles out there.
problem is hitler thought he could pull off invading russia. we all know how that ended
April 7th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Steve, i think these posts are great.
The only thing is that im a lay person, and by the time i get to the end, ive forgotten the salient points from earlier.
It would be nice if you could have at the end a summary of the concise points you are refering to, in laymans terms (eg “Captain Dummy Talk”). Whilst there is a lot of infromation there, sometimes im not quite sure what the point is that you are making on some of the data you present.
So this issue here
“But the 25% fall in the Australian stock market on Black Tuesday ended the Antipodean flirtation with stocks, and we piled right back into our favourite speculative play: bricks and mortar. Most of the money borrowed by Australian households for speculative purposes then drove up house prices, whereas Americans spread their leveraged dollars between stocks and houses.”
Isnt this exactly what has happended now ? With people flooding the banks with cash becasue of the govt guarentee, combined with the perception that house prices never fall (regardless if it is true or not) isnt it likely we will see a repeat of this, with cash flooding into speculative housing/rental housing purchases, driving prices up or at least keeping them stable. When combined with negative gearing tax offsets, isnt it more likely that captial gains specualists, are content to hold thier housing assets for the tax loss benefits, and accept a modest overall housing price decline. After all there realy is no urgency for them to sell at all regardless of what the market does. Any loss in value is offset by a capital gains loss against any other taxable income they are paying, isnt that the case ?
And then theres the whole belief system that drives the economy. Again regardless of the “reality” of the situation, isnt the belief that house prices always go up, enough to keep house pricing high. Give Australias previous boom conditions, surely there is enough cash in the economy to keep house prices high untill the next lift in the cycle.
If you combine this with the urgent nature of advertising of property spruikers, combined with the self serving remarks by realestate pundits who have a vested interest in pushing the market up, give that people have been successfully influenced by it, why are we saying or thinking they will stop being influenced by it.
The assumptions that at some point the bubble will burst, isnt this assumption reliant on the idea that at some point, people who up untill now, have been making irrational emotional purchasing, and debt accumulation decisions will all of a sudden stop and not do that. Why would WE make this assumption, are we realy going to accept that a nation of sheep are suddenly going to stop being sheep ?
And when it comes to the first home owners grant. Are we not underestimating the greedy and self serving nature of our politicians. Are we assuming that at some point our politictions are suddenly going to moving from serving thier own interests to serving ours ? Why would we assume this, given the history we have available.
Even if you assume the current govt did understand what was happening in the economy, and that the first home owners grant was pushing up prices i dont see why we would expect them to stop it, rather than use it to support thier own short term interests at the markets expense. Why do we think they wont do that ? Public opinion wont, otherwise politicians would never get a payrise.
This federal govt has an election coming up and given that they have little to no tools to combat the coming recession, i have every reason to expect they will continue the FHG after June 30 and maybe even increase it all for short term political benefit. This will support house values, allow FHO to get loans easier etc etc to get them to the NOV election, then they are safe for 3 years, with the hope by the next election things will have sorted themselves out.
Again why do we assume politicans will not implement bad economic policy, for thier own selfish short term benefit ?
April 7th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
thanks home4aussies,
just wondering, how would a holiday home in the central or south coast effect the supply demand situation in sydney. assuming offcourse that most holiday homes are outside of major cities, or am i wrong on this point.
the market in capital cities could be entirely different to markets in rural an regional areas.
suppose what i’m asking is
is the over supply in particular markets which have little bearing on supply demand in metropolitan centres.
April 7th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
With this discussion about the CA etc, I can’t help but think about the press conference Swanny gave yesterday – he couldn’t stop himself from a massive gloat – to paraphrase “while I was at G20, I looked around the desk and could see on the faces of the other finance ministers their concern and the impact on their economies of the crisis, and I knew that every one of them was thinking that they would like to trade positions with me”
Does he think that his colleagues aren’t given press clippings every morning, like he is??
I guess he’s feeling fairly smug that the biggest chequebook in town also wants to buy our resources companies (so are likely to continue to support our funding needs).
I also read that he was boasting a few days earlier (in Japan if I recall correctly??) that we are currently accessing 10% of global credit flows (while our economy is around 1.5% of the global economy)
I get nervous when our leaders have such a false sense of security – it raises the probability, in my view, that things are going to turn out very badly. They’d better hope that they maintain the political capital to continue to sell off the family china, otherwise the chequebook might not be opening any more to buy our bonds. And there would not be any shortage of behind the hand smirks, maybe even the odd finance minister commenting that “I’m sure glad I’m not in Swanny’s position”
April 7th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
mahaish…well said and that is surely a good summary of what they are trying to pull off I’d reckon! That gets them elected again which is really their concern.
I just can’t see how every precious dollar we waste in buying “crap we don’t need with money we don’t have” is doing us any good at all. We may get out of it OK by once more leaving more problems for our children.
I’m pretty sure we are going to lose an arm or a leg! As a matter of fact, given the amount of our industry we have already sold off, I’d say we have already lost our soul. I think we have already sold off nearly everything that might allow us to increase our income in the future. But your fear about capital flows is the immediate concern…it will be akin to losing the heart rather than an arm or a leg.
I note the ACCI report today suggesting unemployment 9% by the end of the year. The main factor sited is shortage of funds to carry on business.. (Mind you, as Steve so often demonstrates here that is not the REAL problem)
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Neverhteless the Govt is going to run into some problems…Gifts in the mail to tax payers, increase subsidies via FHOG, Govt Guarantees for Overseas borrowings by Banks, Govt guarantees for State Govt loans (in Qld’s case to build a fottball stadium!!!), Rudd Bank for Commercial real Estate, now a proffered Rudd Bank for Small Business…Rudd and Duck sure going to need deep pockets to keep all these balls in the air at once!(I don’t mind mixing a metaphor or three!
It looks to me like your scenario, of keeping it all going long enough for a Chinese Knight in shing armour to happen along, looks unlikely.
And to return to the theme of this thread, in combination with the evidence Steve throws out,that sure makes the possibility of this housing bubble rapidly deflating a likely prospect.
And to reiterate my view…all Govts for 50 years are culpable! I just thought the ALP were stupid for celebrating the night they won the election. They got handed a poisoned chalice if ever there was one.
I hope i am making some sense and not just anting and raving.