Neoclassical Economics: mad, bad, and dangerous to know
on March 24th, 2009 at 7:29 amThe whole of the most recent Real World Economics Review (formerly known as the Post-Autistic Economics Review) is devoted to the question of “How should the collapse of the world financial system affect economics?”.
My paper, which led volume 49, is reproduced below. If you’d like to read the entire volume, click here for the online version and here for the PDF. You can also go here for back issues, and to subscribe for free.
The most important thing that global financial crisis has done for economic theory is to show that neoclassical economics is not merely wrong, but dangerous.
Neoclassical economics contributed directly to this crisis by promoting a faith in the innate stability of a market economy, in a manner which in fact increased the tendency to instability of the financial system. With its false belief that all instability in the system can be traced to interventions in the market, rather than the market itself, it championed the deregulation of finance and a dramatic increase in income inequality. Its equilibrium vision of the functioning of finance markets led to the development of the very financial products that are now threatening the continued existence of capitalism itself.
Simultaneously it distracted economists from the obvious signs of an impending crisis—the asset market bubbles, and above all the rising private debt that was financing them. Paradoxically, as capitalism’s “perfect storm” approached, neoclassical macroeconomists were absorbed in smug self-congratulation over their apparent success in taming inflation and the trade cycle, in what they termed “The Great Moderation”. Ben Bernanke’s contribution to this is worth quoting at length:
… the low-inflation era of the past two decades has seen not only significant improvements in economic growth and productivity but also a marked reduction in economic volatility…, a phenomenon that has been dubbed “the Great Moderation”. Recessions have become less frequent and milder, and … volatility in output and employment has declined significantly… The sources of the Great Moderation remain somewhat controversial, but … there is evidence for the view that improved control of inflation has contributed in important measure to this welcome change in the economy … (Bernanke, 2004; emphasis added)
It is all very well to have economic theory dominated by a school of thought with an innate faith in the stability of markets when those markets are forever gaining—whether by growth in the physical economy, or via rising prices in the asset markets. In those circumstances, academic economists aligned to PAECON can rail about the logical inconsistencies in mainstream economics all they want: they will be, and were, ignored by government, the business community, and most of the public, because their concerns don’t appear to matter.
They can even be put down as critics of capitalism—worse still, as proponents of socialism—because it seems to those outside academia, and to neoclassical economists as well, that what they are attacking is not economic theory, but capitalism itself: “You think markets are unstable? Shame on you!”
The story is entirely different when asset markets crash beneath a mountain of debt, and the ensuing fallout threatens to take the physical economy with it. Now it should be possible to have the critics of neoclassical economics appreciated for what we really are: critics of a fundamentally false theory of the operations of a market economy, and tentative developers of a new, realistic analysis of the nature of capitalism, warts and all.
Changing Pedagogy
Given how severe this crisis has already proven to be, the reform of economic theory and education should be an easy and urgent task. But that is not how things will pan out. Though the “irresistible force” of the Global Financial Crisis is indeed immense, so to is the inertia of the “immovable object” of economic belief.
Despite the severity of the crisis in the real world, academic neoclassical economists will continue to teach from the same textbooks in 2009 and 2010 that they used in 2008 and earlier (laziness will be as influential a factor here as ideological commitment). Rebels economists will be emboldened to proclaim “I told you so” in their non-core subjects, but in the core micro, macro and finance units, it will be business as usual virtually everywhere. Many undergraduate economics students in the coming years will sit gobsmacked. as their lecturers recite textbook theory as if there is nothing extraordinarily different taking place in the real economy.
The same will happen in the academic journals. The editors of the American Economic Review and the Economic Journal are unlikely to convert to Post Keynesian or Evolutionary Economics or Econophysics any time soon—let alone to be replaced by editors who are already practitioners of non-orthodox thought. The battle against neoclassical economic orthodoxy within universities will be long and hard, even though its failure will be apparent to those in the non-academic world.
Much of this will be because neoclassical economists are genuinely naïve about their role in causing this crisis. From their perspective, they will interpret the crisis as due to poor regulation, and to government intervention in areas that should have been left to the market. Aspects of the crisis that cannot be solely attributed to those causes will be covered by appealing to embellishments to basic neoclassical theory. Thus, for example, the Subprimes Scam will be portrayed as something easily explained by the theory of asymmetric information.
They will seriously believe that the crisis calls not for the abolition of neoclassical economics, but for its teachings to be more widely known. The very thought that this financial crisis should require any change in what they do, let alone necessitate the rejection of neoclassical theory completely, will strike them as incredible.
In this sense, they are like the Maxwellian physicists about whom Max Planck remarked that “A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it” (Kuhn 1970, p. 150).
But physics is charmed in comparison to economics, since it is inherently an empirical discipline, and quantum mechanics gave the only explanation to the empirically quantifiable black body problem. Planck’s confidence that a new generation would take the place of the old was therefore well-founded. But in economics, not only will the neoclassical old guard resist change, they could, if economic circumstances stabilise, give rise to a new generation that accepts their interpretation of the crisis. The is how the success of the Keynesian counter-revolution came about, and it is why we have we entered this crisis with an even more rabid neoclassicism than confronted Keynes in the 1930s.
The first thing that the global financial crisis should therefore do to economics is to galvanise student protest about the lack of debate within academic economics itself, because dissident academic economists will be unable to shift the tuition of economics themselves without massive pressure from the student body.
I speak from my own experience, when I was one of many students who agitated against neoclassical economics in the early 1970s at Sydney University, and campaigned for the establishment of a Political Economy Department. Were it not for the protests by the students against what we then rightly saw as a deluded approach to economics, the non-neoclassical staff at Sydney University would have been unable to affect change themselves.
Though we won that battle at Sydney University, we lost the war. The economic downturn of the mid-1970s allowed for the defeat of what Joan Robinson aptly called the Bastard Keynesianism of that era, and its replacement by Friedman’s “monetarism”. Our protests were also wrongly characterised as being essentially anti-capitalist. Though there were indeed many who were anti-capitalist within the Political Economy movement, the real target of student protest was a poor theory of how capitalism operates, and not capitalism itself.
Similar observations can be made about the PAECON movement today, where student dissatisfaction with neoclassical economics in France spilled over into a worldwide movement. Though the initial impact of the movement was substantial, neoclassical dominance of economic pedagogy continued unabated. The movement persisted, but its relevance to the real economy was not appreciated because that economy appeared to be booming. Now that the global economy is in crisis, student pressure is needed once more to ensure that, this time, real change to economic pedagogy occurs.
Business pressure is also essential. Business groups to some degree naively believed that those who proclaimed the virtues of the market system, and who argued on their side in disputes over income distribution, were their allies in the academy, while critics of the market were their enemies. I hope that this financial catastrophe will convince the business community that its true friends in the academy are those who understand the market system, whether they criticise or praise it. As much as we need students to revolt over the teaching of economics, we need business to bring pressure on academic economics departments to revise their curricula because of the financial crisis.
Changing Economics
The pedagogic pressure from students and the wider community has to be matched by the accelerated development of alternatives to neoclassical economics. Though we know much more today about the innate flaws in neoclassical thought than was known at the time of the Great Depression (Keen 2001), the development of a fully-fledged alternative to it is still a long way off. There are multiple alternative schools of thought extant—from Post Keynesian to Evolutionary and Behavioural Economics, and Econophysics—but these are not developed enough to provide a fully fledged alternative to neoclassical economics.
This should not dissuade us from dispensing completely with the neoclassical approach. For some substantial period, and especially while the actual economy remains in turmoil, we have to accept a period of turmoil in the teaching of and research into economics. Hanging on to parts of a failed paradigm simply because it has components that other schools lack would be a tragic mistake, because it is from precisely such relics that a neoclassical vision could once again become dominant when—or rather if—the market economy emerges from this crisis.
Key here should be a rejection of neoclassical microeconomics in its entirety. This was the missing component of Keynes’s revolution. While he tried to overthrow macroeconomics shibboleths like Say’s Law, he continued to accept not merely the microeconomic concepts such as perfect competition, but also their unjustified projection into macroeconomic areas—as with his belief that the marginal productivity theory of income distribution, which is fundamentally a micro concept, applied at the macro level of wage determination.
From this failure to expunge the microeconomic foundations of neoclassical economics from post-Great Depression economics arose the “microfoundations of macroeconomics” debate that led ultimately to rational expectations representative agent macroeconomics, in which the economy is modelled as a single utility maximising individual who is blessed with perfect knowledge of the future.
Fortunately, behavioural economics provides the beginnings of an alternative vision as to how individuals operate in a market environment, while multi-agent modelling and network theory give us foundations for understanding group dynamics in a complex society. They explicitly emphasise what neoclassical economics has evaded: that aggregation of heterogeneous individuals results in emergent properties of the group which cannot be reduced to the behaviour of any “representative individual” amongst them. These approaches should replace neoclassical microeconomics completely.
The changes to economic theory beyond the micro level involve a complete recanting of the neoclassical vision. The vital first step here is to abandon the obsession with equilibrium.
The fallacy that dynamic processes must be modelled as if the system is in continuous equilibrium through time is probably the most important reason for the intellectual failure of neoclassical economics. Mathematics, sciences and engineering long ago developed tools to model out of equilibrium processes, and this dynamic approach to thinking about the economy should become second nature to economists.
An essential pedagogic step here is to hand the teaching of mathematical methods in economics over to mathematics departments. Any mathematical training in economics, if it occurs at all, should come after students have done at least basic calculus, algebra and differential equations—the last area being one about which most economists of all persuasions are woefully ignorant. This simultaneously explains why neoclassical economists obsess too much about proofs, and why non-neoclassical economists like those in the Circuit School (Graziani 1989) have had such difficulties in translating excellent verbal ideas about credit creation into coherent dynamic models of a monetary production economy (c.f. Keen 2009).
Neoclassical economics has effectively insulated itself from the great advances made in these genuine sciences and engineering in the last forty years, so that while its concepts appear difficult, they are quaint in comparison to the sophistication evident today in mathematics, engineering, computing, evolutionary biology and physics. This isolation must end, and for a substantial while economics must eat humble pie and learn from these disciplines that it has for so long studiously ignored. Some researchers from those fields have called for the wholesale replacement of standard economics curricula with at least the building blocks of modern thought in these disciplines, and in the light of the catastrophe economists have visited upon the real world, their arguments carry substantial weight.
For example, in response to a paper critical of trends in econophysics (Gallegatti et al. 2006), the physicist Joe McCauley responded that, though some of the objections were valid, the problems in economics proper were far worse. He therefore suggested that:
the economists revise their curriculum and require that the following topics be taught: calculus through the advanced level, ordinary differential equations (including advanced), partial differential equations (including Green functions), classical mechanics through modern nonlinear dynamics, statistical physics, stochastic processes (including solving Smoluchowski–Fokker–Planck equations), computer programming (C, Pascal, etc.) and, for complexity, cell biology. Time for such classes can be obtained in part by eliminating micro- and macro-economics classes from the curriculum. The students will then face a much harder curriculum, and those who survive will come out ahead. So might society as a whole. (McCauley 2006, p. 608; emphasis added)
The economic theory that should eventually emerge from the rejection of neoclassical economics and the basic adoption of dynamic methods will come much closer than neoclassical economics could ever do to meeting Marshall’s dictum that “The Mecca of the economist lies in economic biology rather than in economic dynamics” (Marshall 1920: xiv). As Veblen correctly surmised over a century ago (Veblen 1898), the failure of economics to become an evolutionary science is the product of the optimising framework of the underlying paradigm, which is inherently antithetical to the process of evolutionary change. This reason, above all others, is why the neoclassical mantra that the economy must be perceived as the outcome of the decisions of utility maximising individuals must be rejected.
Economics also has to become fundamentally a monetary discipline, right from the consideration of how individuals make market decisions through to our understanding of macroeconomics. The myth of “the money illusion” (which can only true in a world without debt) has to be dispelled from day one, while our macroeconomics has to be that of a monetary economy in which nominal magnitudes matter—precisely because they are the link between the value of current output and the financing of accumulated debt. The dangers of excessive debt and deflation simply cannot be comprehended from a neoclassical perspective, which—along with the inability to reason outside the confines of equilibrium—explains the profession’s failure to assimilate Fisher’s prescient warnings (Fisher 1933; few people realise that Friedman’s preferred rate of inflation in his “Optimum Quantity of Money” paper was “a decline in prices at the rate of at least 5 per cent per year, and perhaps decidedly more”; Friedman 1969, p. 46, emphasis added).
The discipline must also become fundamentally empirical, in contrast to the faux empiricism of econometrics. By this I mean basing itself on the economic and financial data first and foremost—the collection and interpretation of which has been the hallmark of contributions by econophysicists—and by respecting economic history, a topic that has been expunged from economics departments around the world. It, along with a non-Whig approach to the history of economic thought, should be restored to the economics curriculum. Names that currently are absent from modern economics courses (Marx, Veblen, Keynes, Fisher, Kalecki, Schumpeter, Minsky, Sraffa, Goodwin, to name a few) should abound in such courses.
Ironically, one of the best calls for a focus on the empirical data sans a preceding economic model came from two of the most committed neoclassical authors, 2004 Nobel Prize winners Finn Kydland and Edward Prescott, when they noted that “the reporting of facts—without assuming the data are generated by some probability model—is an important scientific activity. We see no reason for economics to be an exception” (Kydland & Prescott 1990, p. 3). The failure of these authors to live up to their own standards1 should not be replicated in post-neoclassical economics.
References
- Irving Fisher, (1933). “The debt-deflation theory of great depressions”, Econometrica, Vol. 1, pp. 337-357.
- Milton Friedman, (1969), The Optimum Quantity of Money and Other Essays, Macmillan, Chicago.
- Mauro Gallegatti, Steve Keen, Thomas Lux & Paul Ormerod (2006). “Worrying Trends in Econophysics”, Physica A Vol. 370, pp. 1-6.
- Graziani Augusto, (1989). “The Theory of the Monetary Circuit”, Thames Papers in Political Economy, Spring, pp. 1-26. Reprinted in M. Musella and C. Panico (eds) (1995). The Money Supply in the Economic Process, Edward Elgar, Aldershot.
- Steve Keen, (2001). Debunking Economics: the naked emperor of the social sciences, Pluto Press & Zed Books, Sydney & London (click here for the eBook).
- Steve Keen, (2009). “Bailing out the Titanic with a Thimble”, Economic Analysis and Policy, Vol. 39 Issue 1 (forthcoming).
- Thomas Kuhn, (1962). The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, University Of Chicago Press, Chicago.
- Finn E. Kydland and Edward C. Prescott, (1990). “Business Cycles: Real Facts and a Monetary Myth”, Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis Quarterly Review, Vol. 23, no. 1, pp. 3–19.
- Joseph L. McCauley (2006). “Response to ‘Worrying Trends in Econophysics’”, Physica A 371, pp. 601–609.
- Alfred Marshall, (1920). Principles of Economics, 9th Edition, Macmillan, London.
- Edward C. Prescott (1999). “Some Observations on the Great Depression”, Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis Quarterly Review, Vol. 23, pp. 25–31.
- Thorstein Veblen, (1898). “Why is Economics not an Evolutionary Science?”, The Quarterly Journal of Economics, pp. 373-397.



I have a question if somebody could help me. When was the last time that the Australian property market ever went backwards by 40% or so? The reaso I ask is that I know that my dad paid 28K for a new 3 bedder in Penrith NSW, 33 years ago and its now worth 350K. Then again he was only earning $150 a week as a mechanic back then.
Chiswick
Steve has talked about the Melbourne Land Boom in the 1890s. Google “Steve Keen Melbourne Land Boom”. “Melbourne Land Boom” on its own brings up many hits as well.
Hi Chiswick,
$28000 in 1976 is $146000 in 2008 dollars.
Homes priced against Gold have halved at times.
Average homes in Melbourne over the last 38 years have cost 310oz of Gold.
This came down to
154oz in 1979
63oz in 1980
80oz in 1981
155oz in 1982
149oz in 1987
156oz in 1988
Was just reading in “The Australian” – article originally from “The Wall Street Journal” – that “NZ dollar swap rates have reversed a recent plunge, driven by corporate demand for credit and international influences, prompting banks to raise mortgage lending rates”.
Has anybody got any info on the Australian situation?
Hi dojufitz
I am a big fan of gold, it may be the last man standing when all is said and done. In fact I like silver as well.
yes macca,
you may be right,
you never know, the US might join mexico as a fellow failed state or atleast an d- state. no that could never happen, could it.
it will be interesting to see if this currency block idea takes off.
during the inter war period and the 30′s there were similar half arsed attemps and pronouncments re such things, especially to do with the british pound .
everything old is new again
There is an article in ‘The Atlantic’ by Simon Johnson, chief economist of the IMF in 2007-8, which sums up the road taken to economic ruin in the US.
In really clear language he describes how the financial sector has captured the government of the US over the last 25 years, something the IMF is familiar with from many weaker countries.
Quote:
“…the American financial industry gained political power by amassing a kind of cultural capital—a belief system. Once, perhaps, what was good for General Motors was good for the country. Over the past decade, the attitude took hold that what was good for Wall Street was good for the country.”
He also describes how useful are complex backroom type rescue packages for maintaining the status-quo, instead of the simple remedies needed.
Others might like to read it too at:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200905/imf-advice
Margaret,
The article you mention is certainly an interesting read. I’m surprised that a “cloud-dweller” such as Simon Johnson could even come to such conclusions.
The IMF, as always, has good intentions, though the outcomes that occur in the real world are quite different. In a review of Stiglitz’s book “Globalization and its discontents”, Keen states the problem with the IMF is not corruption, but the economic theory that the IMF’s models are based upon.
http://debunking-economics.com/Talks/KeenStiglitzGlobalisation.mp3
Many of the beliefs behind markets, even by neoclassical standards, really stretch the imagination. When it comes to the free market rhetoric, nothing much is said about the IMF as the banker’s cartel manager, the lack of the free movement in professional services which keep the wages of highly paid professionals way above what neoclassicals call the market equilibrium wage, the system of highly distortionary intellectual property rights, the ability of large businesses to continuously externalize their costs onto individuals, society and taxpayers, the enormous amount of political rent-seeking that occurs, direct and indirect subsidies, goods that are drastically mispriced, and so on.
After all that, neoclassicals have the gall to state that the economy is in equilibrium – what nonsense. Even static models would show that the economy is way out of equilibrium once all the above distortions are factored in.
I find that many economic intellectuals tend to babble on about the wonders of the “free market”, when in fact, it essentially is a system of state capitalism, where risks and costs can be socialized, and profits privatized, a system proudly promoted as free market enterprise.
This has not much to do with a genuine democratic market system.
Hi Chiswick,
yes i’ve got both Gold and Silver – i think Silver is very good value at $13US – when i think about how many uses there are for Silver – a little bit under every key on your pc keyboard, solar power, etc…over 10,000 applications i hear.
And it is vanishing – most of all the Gold ever mined is still with us – but not Silver – in years to come it will be much more expensive.
It is wise to get some at these current prices…..and with the world at the cross roads and people talking of a currency crises it makes even more sense.
The problem for most people i speak to is they have no savings to get bullion – it all goes on the mortgage.
People are struggling now…how are they going to go when rates rise…?
The truth is a Penrith 3 bedder should go for $150,000 – $170,000….but alas the price is an inflated $350,000 and hence alot more debt.
Hi
I personally did quantitative management to the second year level only and hardly ever applied most of it (meaning if you don’t use it you lose it), however I thought this talk may interest some of you maths geniuses.
See Peter Carr and others speech on Issues in Financial Mathematics and Statistics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIiQRRllJoA&feature=related
Of interest to Dr Keen may be the references to economic modelling.
dojufitz said
“$28000 in 1976 is $146000 in 2008 dollars.”
If correct then the AUD deprecated at 5.3% per year; ie. x = (146000/28000)^(2008-1976)
This is a high inflation rate and my guess is that most of it is credit inflation. Once the bubble decreases then it shoud be equivalent to what you would have earnt if buying long term government bonds; ie. 30 year bonds and even with tax considerations.
Thus inflation over the long term is probbaly in the order to 2.5 to 3.5%. What of course is not Ok is the bubble that has it sitting at 5.3% over the past 32 years and probably much more over the past 10 years.
The point I am making is that the debt based system minus the bubbles and absent of printing pretty much compensates for inflation. People find this hard to belive but then again they find compund interest hard to understand.
Hey dojufitz
If you like come and chat here
http://goldsilverchat.com/BBchat/
Hi Homes4aussies
You are surely doing some good work. I would like to discuss one issue with you though. You said above:”rather based on the emotional premium paid for owning the house that you live in. ”
Now consider this. How great do you think that premium will be if an owner will never pay less, i.e. bond repayments than that a renter faces over say 30 years. Do you still think there will be such or much of a premium? I suggest this when the definite long term expectation was that you will have to pay a premium to own over 30 years and for every year of the 30 years.
I somehow think/feel that the premium has more to do with the fact that you can lock in you housing costs (at a historical cost) than that it has to do with any other factor. Just think about it and let me know, as I think this may give some insights as to the premium and what it is really for.
Dear Margaret,
Your link to “The Quiet Coup” made for some interesting reading.
My son asked me the other day what I think should happen when the banks show weakness and is about to go under. I suggested to him that the government should let them go under as they have already guaranteed the deposits. They can then step in the next day taking over the valuable assets (in which I include middle management and below). They can then recapitalise the bank and run it as if nothing happen, but without taking the massive risks the previous management did and by only concentrating on core banking business. This way no exec has any claim on any bonus(or anything else), as the entity they contracted with no longer exist.
I have difficulty in understanding why the USA government had to bail out Citi from bankruptcy and only end up with around 70% of the share capital. The shareholders and senior execs gambled and lost. Is that not what free markets is all about?
I’m not sure if I quite understand your point rooivis. I think your point is that real rents will increase – presumably roughly in line with earnings – but real repayments will decrease (in an inflationary environment, at least).
Fair enough point. But I think it is fair enough to assume that the gap is saved. (Of interest here is the discussion by Paul Clitheroe in his 1998 edition of “Making Money” – this discussion has been written out of subsequent editions, presumably not wanting to appear “out of touch” in a rampant property bull market – http://www.geocities.com/homes4aussies/Clith501.jpg & Clith523.jpg & Clith545.jpg). Then the discussion gets to how much is a forced savings plan worth – and again I would suggest not nearly as much as what is being asked at the moment.
So, I keep arriving back at the view that the premium is about security.
Finally, a pleasant bank story. Bank of North Dakota
I wonder if Australia is prone to waves of populist anger? Anyone think that democratic banks are a good idea?
rooivis said
“I have difficulty in understanding why the USA government had to bail out Citi from bankruptcy and only end up with around 70% of the share capital. The shareholders and senior execs gambled and lost. Is that not what free markets is all about?”
Welcome to capitalism rooivis. Government is only a committee of management for serving the interests of the rich and wealthy. All the capitalist governments around the world will make the working class pay for the restoration of the financial system.
Any amount of money can be found to help banks in the US. But they can’t find money for public health or education. They can’t find money to buy public housing to house the homeless now living in tents. They can’t find money for a decent unemployment benifit system.
Thank you Otway-jack, well put!! seems like common sense doesn’t it?? Now if we could just get the u.s. people and the rest of us in oz to understand simplicity like that, well we might just be on our way………to better governments! except for one small problem….politicians and their media mates!! well done and well said!!
RE “The Quiet Coup” article by ex-IMF’s Simon Johnson, I too was stunned by what he wrote – to read words such as “looting” used by him to describe the US economic rescue packages.
The only thing I could add to commentary here is that it is obviously not only democratic capitalist systems that can provide for the manouevre of to some extent self-serving elites into power – and at least in our democratic system (whose freedoms would seem to imply at least a mixed economic system), we can freely discuss and try to contain such behaviour.
Part of the problem too has been that too many people have been benefitting in the short-term from the out-of-control behaviour of the financial sector.
Johnson also actually says that academia has been part of the problem. Perhaps he doesn’t see the extent of this in there being faulty theoretic foundations for economics.
Still, it’s great to read someone of some public profile saying break up the power of the interest groups concerned and temporarily nationalize the banks – with appropriate losses to those concerned!
otway-jack,
Right on the money there. The US is the wealthiest country in history, and yet, out of a population of 300 million, 80-100 million live in poverty or near poverty. 45% of children in the “sunshine state”, California, live in poverty.
If less rich and less developed countries such as Sweden or Norway can manage to have the least number of poor people (UN Human Poverty Index), then the US could easily manage to come out on top, if it really wanted to.
Margaret,
I would also add that many economists, especially in the US, act out of self-interest as many are quite wealthy. Academic wages over there are much higher than in Australia. Try to find some stats on the wages of economists employed at Harvard, Chicago, MIT, UC, etc.
How many of you have seen the latest post on housing falls in California from Mish?
Have a read. Median prices down 59% and Monterey County down 74% peak to trough.
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/
Coming to a suburb near you within 18 months. Perth will likely see the pain sooner.
hi warren,
read the article on the bank of north dakota.
australia doesnt have a very happy history re state banks. some of our more spectacular bank collapses have involved state banks
Hey Steve, haven’t seen a new article in a while. May I offer a suggestion here:
http://www.lendingclub.com/
There a chance that this might be the future of investment banking (as opposed to just day-by-day cash management and ATM style banking, which is quite different). There are a number of reasons why a “lending club” style of banking is more stable and better return than a traditional bank.
[1] Their 1% cut is openly declared and fixed.
[2] Their overheads are low because it all runs online.
[3] The “note” that you buy works like an industrial share, so the money is NOT available at call, but only when you sell the “note” on the open market (and one presumes that a market for resold “note” will appear).
[4] The “note” is well documented, does NOT get repackaged and comes with the ability for the buyer to reasonably assess the risk.
[5] Having one “note” go bad does not contaminate the rest.
[6] All loans are fixed interest but (in theory) the borrower can buy back their own loan “note” at market rate (which seems fair to me). This means that it is impossible to crank up interest rates on an existing loan, but quite feasible for a borrower to take advantage of lower rates should they become available.
I really hope that a range of competing lending clubs start to pop up over the world and offer a more stable and more respectable system of banking than what we have now (presuming the regulators don’t stomp on it).
Would love to hear how this fits into the “debt deflation” theory — more stable or less stable?
Fairness?
Yes, I’ve been preoccupied with some academic work Tel.
That will change next week. I have to write the next Debtwatch to coincide with the RBA’s meeting on April 8th, so there will certainly be a post by then.
On that concept, I’m not sure about it to begin with; my interests too are more at the level of (a) explaining why what we do have for a financial system screwed up so badly, (b) the policies to get us out of the economic jam we are now in, and (c) what mainstream alterations to the nature of our financial system might actually work to prevent a recurrence.
As such, I see schemes like this as of interest, but I don’t feel they could ever become a mainstream replacement for our current system.
I have also today started work on my book on the crisis–”Finance and Economic Breakdown”, to be published by Edward Elgar Publishers. I hope to have it finished by late 2010, and that will have to be my primary focus from now on. There may have to be less frequent posts here as a result–but Debtwatch will never die. This blog is too important for communication and the day to day debate, and I learn a lot from just following the discussions as they occur.
think your on to something otway jack,
the US was the epicentre of this on going debacle,
its form of representative democracy is fundamentally flawed.
what we are witnessing was always in the offing, when you have a political system based on voluntary voting , administered by state legislatures, and an unelected cabinet.
combine this with interlectual and ideological zealotry and extremism and you have a recipe for disaster.
no wonder we are witnessing an ever growing list of economic and foreign policy failures, at the hands of the americans.
when the history of the first half of the 21st century is eventually written, the fundamental flaws in the american political system and the zealotry that currently pervades it, will be seen as one of the key ingredients contributing to global financial and political instability in the next 20 to 30 years.
lets hope the current administration prove all us pessimists wrong, but i fear they are going to be just a specle in the broad brush of history over the next 30 years.