The First Home Owners Boost (as it is officially known) has certainly given the Government bang for its buck. By spending roughly $200 million of its own money to date, it has added about $3 billion to the housing market. But the additional $2.8 billion has come from increased mortgage debt taken on by those most vulnerable to a serious economic downturn, at a time when the latest “unexpected” increase in unemployment indicates that, like it or not, the global downturn is coming our way.

America tried a similar trick in 2000, when the collapse of the DotCom bubble threatened to cause a serious recession: it was called Subprime Lending. There should be little doubt now that that scam–which at the time received substantial government backing–simply delayed the day of reckoning, and made the eventual crisis much, much worse.
With Australia’s belated version of Subprime-Lite, we appear to be making the same mistake (The Sunday Telegraph made this issue their page one lead today–”House Price Crisis Looms”–and followed up with the feature Our home-grown sub-prime crisis). It’s on a smaller scale, and the borrowers aren’t so transparently uncreditworthy. But we are attempting to avoid an economic crisis caused by too much borrowing, by encouraging the poorest in our community to take on yet more debt.
Very few of those who’ve received the FHOB would qualify as Subprime as it was defined in America–a borrower actually had to have a poor credit history to get a Subprime loan. But First Home Buyers are, almost by definition, young and newly in the workforce. They will be amongst the first to lose their jobs when the downturn bites.
So while The Boost may give a temporary fillip to the bottom end of the housing market, the construction industry, and the economy, when unemployment continues its unexpected (there’s that word again!) rise, many First Home Buyers will be at the head of the dole queues. And as well as being unemployed, they will also be homeless and bankrupt.
Had they not been enticed into the housing market at absolutely the worst time by a misguided Government policy, they would still have lost their jobs. But at least they would not also be facing bankruptcy as well.
There are multiple influences that have enticed a flurry of First Home Buyers into the market–falling mortgage rates, and the ceaseless spruiking of The Australian Dream amongst them (the latter reminds me of the promo for the Terry Gilliam movie Time Bandits: “Like all the dreams you’ve ever had. And not just the good ones”).
But The Boost clearly was the major force behind the 4% jump in the proportion of housing loans going to First Home Buyers in November 2008. The extent to which First Home Buyers have been used as pawns by governments of both political persuasion to reflate the housing bubble is obvious in the following chart:
First Home Buyers went from 19.4% to 23.6% of the market in the first month of The Boost, and their share of new house purchases has since risen to 26.5%–the highest share since records began in 1991. Rumour has it that a major motivation for The Boost was Treasury’s advice that the same trick had previously worked a treat for Howard, and the evidence for that sticks out like two sore thumbs in the data.
On these numbers, Rudd’s Boost has probably enticed an additional 10,000 purchasers into the market in its first 3 months, with each taking out, on average, $270,000 in debt.
These First Home Buyers have also borrowed more on average than other purchasers: the average for non-First Home Buyers was about $250,000. Over the long term, loans to established buyers have been larger than those to new entrants into the market, as you would expect:
However since 2005, as often as not, new entrants have borrowed more than established buyers. The dramatic rise in the amount borrowed by First Home Buyers preceded The Boost, and the phenomenon was common to established buyers too; so it can’t be blamed on The Boost alone. Nor can it be attributed to Australians increasing their debt levels in response to lower interest rates–the standard furphy that the RBA has pushed occasionally to justify ignoring rising private debt levels. In fact, the increase in the average level of mortgage debt began in March 2008, the date of the RBA’s final 0.25% increase in the cash rate in its Quixotic battle against inflation.
But it is obvious that at a time when the rest of the Australian community has started to reduce its level of leverage, First Home Buyers are still increasing theirs.
Demographics on First Home Buyers are unavailable, but they are certain to have lower incomes, and (were it not for The Boost) lower deposits, than those who have previously purchased a house. They are also certainly buying cheaper houses than established buyers. This means that they have higher debt servicing costs, on lower incomes, than established buyers, and have purchased less valuable properties with them.
A survey by Fujitsu Consulting (which has consistently produced realistic and empirically grounded reports on economic and financial issues) found that 30 percent of First Home Buyers had loan to valuation ratios of 95 percent (Australian Financial Review, March 21-22 p. 20). Only 12.5% of First Home Buyers had a loan to valuation ratio of under 80% (Fujitsu Consulting February 2009 Stress-O-Meter Update, p. 39). Together with anecdotal evidence that The Boost has ignited activity in the sub-$500,000 price range, this implies that the average First Home Buyer is relying upon the government grant for more than 50% of the deposit.
Individuals with the most vulnerable jobs, lowest incomes, and the lowest net worths, have thus been enticed into debt at a time when the rest of society is busy de-leveraging. They are therefore surely more highly geared, and more financially fragile, than the rest of the community.
From the government’s point of view, these might be–dare I say it–”a beautiful set of numbers”. Courtesy of The Boost, 10,000 or so extra borrowers, spending between $14,000 and $24,000 of government-sourced money, plus on average $270,000 of borrowed money, and their own savings of less than $15,000, have added at least $300,000 each to the Australian housing market–and indirectly the economy. This is a $3 billion boost to the economy: roughly an additional $1 billion a month.
Not a bad return for a Government policy that has cost it well under $200 million: pump in $200 million, and get $3 billion worth of stimulus for the economy.
The problem is, this may not be pump-priming the economy, to borrow an over-used and inappropriate analogy, but subprime-pumping it.
The Rudd Government may well rue Treasury’s “sure thing” advice when unemployment here starts to skyrocket as it has in the USA and elsewhere. They will then have a cohort of–on current trends–at least 30,000 First Home Buyers who are in the firing line for unemployment, homelessness, and bankruptcy courtesy of yet another futile attempt to stimulate the economy by maintaining the Great Australian Dream.
This economic turnaround is inevitable, because the driving force behind it is de-leveraging: credit growth is evaporating, and as it diminishes, the debt-financed component of demand is collapsing and taking economic activity with it. This process is now rampant in the USA:
And it is also building up a head of steam in Australia:
The rise in unemployment will impact severely on house prices, since, as Gerard Minack commented in today’s Sunday Telegraph, “I don’t care what rate you’re paying, if you have a mortgage five times your income and you lose your job, you’re toast”.
Australians in general, and the property market commentariat in particular, are in denial about the extent to which Australian house prices are overvalued–and therefore overdue for a fall that The Boost is only temporarily delaying. Even a simple comparison of the ABS House Price Index for Australia to the US Case-Shiller Index, when both are deflated by the CPI, shows that the Australian house prices bubble was substantially larger than America’s:
However, even this understates the degree of relative overvaluation here, since the late 1980s, when the ABS series began, was itself a time that there was a bubble in Australian house prices. To make a fair comparison, we need a time series that goes back as far as the USA’s, and therefore is unaffected by short term bubbles and slumps.
Nigel Stapledon at UNSW produced such a time series for his PhD, and I reproduce his data here, with the value in 1890 set to100– the same value as for the Case-Shiller Index, which begins in that year. This enables a more realistic comparison of the size of the housing bubble in the two countries.
This chart gives a more realistic picture of the most recent Australian house price bubble:
On this basis, the current Australian house price bubble is about 75% more extreme than the USA’s, which is now clearly in free-fall. A fall in Australian house prices is inevitable, and it will be driven by the household sector’s attempt to de-lever from its currently unprecedented level of debt.
This de-leveraging will drive the economy down, taking employment with it–and especially the jobs of First Home Buyers, who are definition have less secure employment than older, established home owners.
As I argued when The Boost was first announced (Rescuing the Economy or the Bubble?; Debtwatch Blog October 19 2008), the policy is a mistake that will backfire on the Rudd Government when the global financial crisis finally comes home to roost here. Despite the bleatings of the property lobby, it should not be extended past its current termination date.



As for whether or not to buy or rent.
Even if the costs of owning were even, the capital devaluation of property thats is pending, will force most mortgage holders to become “upside down”, where the the value of there home is less than what they owe.
no option but to hold onto the property in the hope of increased valuation over the future years…provided one can keep there job, no probs. lose the job and you will foreclose, and still end up being held accountable to pay the remaining debt to the bank.
buy the median house price in Perth for $445,000 with 10% deposit. if you buy now and the value of this drops 40% you will lose $175,000 in value. So now you still owe $400k but the value of property is $270k. lose your job and you owe the bank $130k.
if u can’t pay the debt in this case you file chapter 11, and the banks take the losses. then we have our own banking credit problems on top of the global one here now.
why buy a house now, when the risk is so big, regardless of rental comparisons.
Yes Ferb, expressed another way – I’ve heard a couple of analysts do this – the REAL (house price inflation adjusted) mortgage rate will be around 15% pa this year (assuming price falls of 10% pa, which is what a number of the typically more bullish commentators expect, eg. Chris Joye, APM). That is historically very, very high.
Your comment, Rooivis, raises perhaps the most important long term issue, in my view.
Much of the debate has focused on whether the Rudd stimulus plan will prevent our housing bubble from popping like in the US and UK.
But I believe a more important issue is whether it is even advisable to try.
Many here know that I have a deep concern for the kids that are taking on more debt than they can handle, and for the lower income renters who have been squeezed for up to a decade now (some of whom have become homeless, or unfairly underhoused eg. dad and two kids living in a trailer as seen on SBS Insight when the dad worked 2 jobs!) – and I gather many share those concerns.
Now, the social benefits of a significant reduction in housing costs would be enormous, in my view (instead of gimmicky social housing plans – which will only help a few – but have the real aim of preventing a housing correcting so that ALL marginalised and young Aussies benefit!)
But there is also a very strong economic case. Sure, their argument that the economic consequences of loss of “wealth”, illusory as it was, will be significant.
Here’s the thing. Every time income tax scales are discussed, it is said that they need to be reduced for Australia’s long term competitiveness – to attract the mobile skilled labour, in a competitive market, that is needed to drive our economy in this century.
The amount of tax one pays determines one’s disposable income, and if housing in Australia already costs twice the level of household disposable income as in the US, then surely we are already at a very, very significant disadvantage.
See this graph from the RBA which I believe will be updated this week:
http://www.rba.gov.au/Speeches/2008/_Images/270308_so_graph7.gif
Now you will notice that we Australians have needed to commit a greater proportion of our disposable income to housing than any other major Anglophone country for 21 of the last 22 years!
And I would suggest that is largely due to there being a greater, often much greater, speculative premium in our markets due to government policy to encourage the purchase of multiple investments houses (it’s interesting an American contributor above felt tax incentives for the home was a major distortion – which it is – but Australian investors/speculators have incentives to buy an unlimited number of houses!)
Now with the (smaller) bubbles in all of these other Anglophone countries collapsing, we surely have even more expensive housing (realitively speaking – though I’m wondering whether the December handouts, which “boosted” disposable income, may make this look less striking when the graph is updated?)
Few doubt the political benefits to propping up this once in a lifetime housing bubble. But it seems that the economic case for doing so, let alone the social case, is never questioned. It is time to address that!
To the people that have sold, or or planning to sell their houses – if I may ask, what have you done, or what are you going to do, with the proceeds?
To all,
Fascinating thread. Like others here I have watched in stunned disbelief over the last 10 years at the increasingly insane prices paid for residential property in this cheap credit fuelled boom. How anyone can claim it is cheaper to buy than rent beats me — if so, “negative gearing” for property speculators would not exist (i.e. rental income fails to cover net costs of aquiring the asset, hence negative cash flow of property investing and reliance on speculative capital gains).
While the FSA in the UK is considering capping home mortgage lending to a maximum of 3 times the borrowers income (yep, really!), here in Melbourne a beach box sells in the ball park range of three times individual median income:
http://www.theage.com.au/national/property-price-fall-hits-brighton-20090315-8yz8.html
That just about says it all, yes?
Can someone explain why, when the costs of housing — our biggest expense — has grown so drastically over the years, that somehow governments have claimed we have had low inflation? “Great moderation” my a***. Why is it that housing price asset bubbles fail to show up in the inflation figures?
LT asks a very good Q as to why we haven’t had more building/supply here, chasing these crazy prices? Costs of building too high (as Rhino says)?
With the Henry tax review, is it not time that a dollar was treated as a dollar? Get rid of the capital gains tax concessions (treat it just like income), and disallow claiming real estate expenses against other (non-rent) income. I object to taxpayers funding property speculators chasing asset price rises. Does anyone NOT think our stupid negative gearing policy has something to do with our homes being among the most expensive in the world?
Both buying and renting is way too high in this country. Its very unhealthy. Its terrible for young people and those on low to median incomes. Governments of all persuasions should be utterly ashamed of themselves for promoting these high prices as policy.
dearpru
exactly – how is inflation not considered high when the value of realestate and the cost of building have gone nuts? because the government fudge the figures.
http://www.shadowstats.com/
i would imagine similar figures here in australia.
as for prices, either wages go up accordingly in all employment sectors, to match the miners, or house prices have to drop. and small business is not going to cope well with those kind of wage cost increases without trimming the fat somewhere.
According to Melissa Ketchell’s blog on the Courier Mail website:
“Up to 15 per cent could be slashed off the price of renovations as the slowdown in new commercial projects see more tradies head to the residential sector. In its quarterly cost guide Archicentre is predicting falls in costs of 5 to 15 per cent in some states”
Should flow through to new home building, too, as long as Government distortions (like buying up “social housing” at bubble prices) do not prevent the adjustment.
Dearprudence
You ask:”LT asks a very good Q as to why we haven’t had more building/supply here, chasing these crazy prices? Costs of building too high (as Rhino says)?”
It is because the cost of building is in fact a minor part of of the new house. The land cost is the big ticket item. At the exorbitant prices many people made the decision not to buy. Maybe they felt prices to high or perhaps the prices were above what they could afford.
An interesting development that I observed in Melbourne was that as in all normal property booms, the price escalations started at the higher end of the market, incidentally suburbs close to the city, and had a ripple effect towards the outlying suburbs of generally lower prices. Bit like the ripples you get when throwing a stone into a pond. What happened next was something I had not observed before. The FHOG created such a demand at virtually any price in the outer suburbs, that it placed pressure on the superior closer laying suburbs and forced priced up in a reverse ripple effect towards the property that started the boom. Now once it got back things started going really crazy.
Falls in the property market usually also starts from the centre, as we see happening. A valuer friend of mine said Brighton had already lost around 30% of its value. I do not know where the article get their 3% growth for Melbourne during 2008 from. My experience was at least a 10% fall for the year. Most of the property sold in my local area lately were upmarket unit developments. Including such sales may create the false impression that sales are up based on averages. However when comparing like for like the picture is not that rosy. I concentrate on the lowest sales of 550M sqr properties. This gives me an indication of the prices for 1950 to 1970 renovated properties. Essentially these type of homes add very little to the property an is often knocked down. So what you are really looking at is land value. This provides a much better guide as to the state of the property market in my opinion.
Steve,
I see the % FHB has grown. Can you show the total number trend of FHB in the market against the % trend? Is the number of FHB growing or just their share of a falling market in Nov 2009.
Just a few thoughts on house prices and rents; would be interested in your feedback.
Based on data from the REIA until 2003 and ABS in latter years I developed data series for house prices and rents from 1982 to mid-2008 making some rough adjustments in an effort to align the numbers from the different sources (I’m too mean to pay for the REIA data after 2003). Whilst the numbers may not be spot-on, hopefully they tell the story.
By this reckoning the house prices increased by a factor of 8 over the 26 years and the rent by a factor of about 3.2 times. The rents seem to correlate quite well with the CPI over this period.
This seems to tell us a few things: 1) in 1982 (indeed most of the 1980’s) the returns an investor would get from rental properties would have been a lot better than in recent times; 2) if we add the increased leveraging on houses mentioned by Steve the fall in affordability of housing is even worse than the growth in prices indicates; 3) whilst prices can rise steeply over time (due to easy loans and speculators aiming to make capital gains, e.g. negative gearing), it is not possible to raise rents steeply year by year because tenants just couldn’t afford it; 4) the close correlation between rent and inflation suggests that the real cost of renting hasn’t changed that much over the years and therefore housing for tenants (at least on average) should not be less affordable than 26 years ago.
Based on this I put forward the following ideas and would be interested in comments from other participants.
The yields available from property investing in recent times without capital gains were very poor and often negative, a situation that cannot be sustained, so prices must fall. If prices were to fall to a level were they again match the index of rents they would have to fall from 800 to 350, a fall of 56%. Furthermore, we’ve seen in stockmarkets that the market usually over-corrects on the upside and downside, so maybe it could fall by even more, say 65 or 70%.
Intuitively, I don’t quite believe it would fall by this much and think that Steve’s 40% will be closer to the mark. But, hey, anything is possible.
As far as rents are concerned other bloggers have predicted a fall in rents. It’s possible in the short term, but isn’t it more likely that rents will just flatten out rather than fall significantly? If the correlation with inflation continues, then perhaps when Australia goes into deflation rents will follow that trend down.
Pareel, yes – you saw through the baloney. As I said above, I’ve plotted the NUMBER of nonFHBs (and their 6 month moving average) since the ABS data series commences and it shows that the number of nonFHBs is the lowest in 8 years.
http://www.geocities.com/homes4aussies/nonFHBs.jpg
Conversely, the NUMBER of FHBs is back up to where it was through 2007 – the boost did lift NUMBERS up from low levels in 2008, and Dec 08 numbers were fairly high (perhaps a peak?), but already in Jan 09 the number of FHBs was down to 12,499 (2 months in 2007 recorded a similar number, and most other months in 2007 recorded nos. in the 11,000s – though there could also be a seasonal affect – we’ll need to see further reads, but with unemployment and underemployment rising it’s likely to drop back)
See the ABS series at
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/5609.0?OpenDocument
And if you have an interest in Brisbane, I’ve plotted the Brisbane data in a paper on my website
http://www.geocities.com/homes4aussies/090207Bris.pdf
Otto
Your work is inline with work by the RBA
http://www.rba.gov.au/Speeches/2008/_Images/270308_so_graph1.gif
I agree with everything you say with one exception. I do think it is possible for rents to fall significantly, rather than just plateau, because the building industry is strongly lobbying for assistance as it is such a large employer. Above are a lot of comments about how the “undersupply problem” will evaporate going forward. If this eventuates, and the Government continues to prop up the residential property industry, they are effectively funding “bridges to nowhere” or “digging then filling in holes”. As I’ve said, I’m not too concerned about this type of wasted resource because it should see rents fall for the long suffering low income Aussies.
Hi Guys,
Interestingly on the build it and they will come theory. Mish posted a story yesterday how in Michigan some suburbs are now so vacant that it would be more cost effective to pay the remaining few owners to move, then bulldoze the houses, than it would be to keep the services up to the area.
So stimulating construction may just be building houses that will be knocked down later. Crazy.
These guys just don’t believe that demand can fall. They are convinced that demand is a straight line.
A quick note before even reading the article – just in case a reporter or somebody attending the conference reads this – Tony Richards’ paper on housing did not include an update comparing the ratio of house prices to disposable incomes across the major Anglophone countries. Wonder why?? Perhaps there was a great deal of sensitivity of showing that our housing has gotten even more expensive relative to the other countries?? (And that would run counter to the political objectives of those “who must be obeyed”)
Also, did a search for the word “suffer” – no hits – a bit too politically sensitive I guess to show concern for low income Aussies (when the objective is to keep the bubble going to protect the higher income Aussies that have “benefitted”)
The paper is at:
http://www.rba.gov.au/Speeches/2009/sp_so_260309.pdf
A BLOW BY BLOW OF THE LATEST RBA PAPER ON HOUSING BY TONY RICHARDS….
“index of the ratio of average household disposable income to the principal and
interest repayments on a new mortgage for a median-priced dwelling (Graph 2).1 It
should be noted that measures such as this one do not incorporate the effect of grants
for first-home buyers which have recently been boosted by the federal government
and some states. The data in this graph go up to the December quarter of 2008 and
the dot shows an estimate of this measure based on the current level of mortgage
rates. It is quite clear that purchase affordability has recently improved very
significantly in Australia.”
BUT IT IS IMPACTED BY THE STIMULUS HANDOUTS WHICH BOOSTED THE DENOMINATOR – THE DISPOSABLE INCOME!!! WAS IT ENOUGH TO GET THE DECEMBER 2008 QUARTER JUST OVER THE LINE IN GRAPH 2???
SAME COMMENT FOR THE RATIO OF HOUSE PRICES TO INCOME FOR AUSTRALIA – AND NOTE THEY QUOTE THE AVERAGE SINCE 1993 (SOME FAIRLY BUBBLY YEARS – WHEN DID SYDNEY’S BUBBLE START??)
“The recent sharp improvement in affordability
clearly mostly reflects the sharp fall in mortgage rates over the past half year”
HOORAY – A LITTLE BIT OF BALANCE ! (OR WAS THAT CREDIT TAKING… BUT THEY DIDN’T CAUSE THE AFFORDABILITY CRISIS
)
“In Australia, the cash rate has now been cut by 400 basis points since
September 2008, and standard variable housing rates have fallen by 375 basis points
(Graph 4).”
AGAIN, BRAGGING ABOUT TRANSMISSION – BUT DON’T MENTION THAT WE CAME FROM MUCH HIGHER LEVELS THAN THE OTHERS SO DID NOT, UNTIL NOW, BUMP INTO THE REAL PROBLEM – THE INTERNATIONAL COST OF FUNDS
MOREOVER, THIS IS PRECISELY THE ISSUE THAT IS GOING TO LEAVE US VULNERABLE – VARIABLE RATES ARE ALMOST 2% CHEAPER THAN 10 AND 15 YEAR FIXED LOANS (WHEREAS IN US LOANS ARE OFTEN FIXED FOR 15 OR 30 YEARS). NO PRIZES FOR GUESSING WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN OUR RATES INCREASE!
“In aggregate terms, the fall in borrowing rates has reduced
the debt servicing burden of the household sector by approximately 5 per cent of
household disposable income (Graph 5). That implies a significant amount of cash
flow relief, for spending on other goods and services or to save and/or pay down
debt.”
YES, BUT THE GRAPH SAYS IT ALL – EVEN AT THESE HISTORICALLY LOW INTEREST RATES – ON THE VERGE OF “THE GREAT RECESSION” HOUSEHOLD INTEREST REPAYMENTS REMAIN HIGHER THAN AT ANY OTHER TIME SINCE AT LEAST 1979!
CONTINUES ON ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT GROWTH OF REAL DISPOSABLE INCOME OUTPACED HOUSE PRICE GROWTH, BLAH, BLAH – LET’S SEE WHETHER REAL DISPOSABLE INCOME CAN REMAIN AT LEAST FLAT OVER THE NEXT BIT, BECAUSE IF IT BEGINS TO FALL FROM SURGING UNDEREMPLOYMENT, BUT HOUSE PRICES DON’T FALL, THEN THE RATIO GOES BACK UP! (SOMETHING NOT TOUCHED ON – THE ONLY REAL DISCUSSION OF ECONOMIC TURMOIL IS IN DISCOURAGING CONSTRUCTION)NOW HOW MUCH PUBLIC DEBT CAN WE TAKE ON FOR “STIMULUS PACKAGES” TO INCREASE “DISPOSABLE INCOME”???
GIVES A BIT OF BALANCE THAT PERHAPS THE UNDERSUPPLY ISSUE IS NOT AS GREAT AS SOME MIGHT SUGGESTS – THOUGH SOFTLY, SOFTLY – THIS IS A HOUSING CONFERENCE AFTERALL.
TONY REDEEMS HIMSELF A LITTLE WITH THIS AT THE END
“Regardless of the broader economic
factors that are currently influencing the housing market, it is important to keep
thinking about medium- and longer-term reforms in the housing market that can
improve the functioning of the market and potentially lower the cost of housing over
the longer run, especially for lower-income groups.”
COME ON TONY, YOU COULD HAVE SAID IT AGAIN, JUST ADD 8 WORDS TO THE ENDING “WHO HAVE SUFFERED SO MUCH FROM RISING PRICES”
ANYWAY, ENTERTAINING ARTICLE IF YOU TAKE IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT DUE TO THE POLITICAL BACKDROP….
I’d guess that baby boomers are making a diminishing contribution to Graph 5 “Household Interest Payments” in the RBA paper because they are more of the way through their mortgages and interest payments tend to diminish as the loan is paid off. I wonder how much the newcomers are paying from their income just in interest.
To all,
re RBA’s paper on housing affordability (cough cough) referenced by homes4aussies…
Hmm, lets see now. According to Graph 2 on p4, the Median Dwelling Price Affordability Index, over the last 30 years housing affordability has oscillated within +/- roughly 30% of its long term average, and is currently just at that long term average.
WTF??? Jaw richochets off floor and bounces up and down.
I obviously must have been living in an alternate universe over the last 30 years to that of Tony Richards. Proof perhaps for the “many-worlds interpretation” of quantum physics?
Sigh. All strength to your arm homes4aussies, and keep up the great work on your site. Thanks for posting this creative piece of black comedy from the RBA.
It was good to hear today that Louis Christopher was warning against FHBs rushing in just to grab the FHOG, given that “it’s pretty hard to repay a mortgage without a job”. He also pointed out the irony of a government warning all and sundry that unemployment is on the way up, at the same time as it’s telling FHOs to jump into the (overheated) market.
Of course there’s been the normal band of vested interests (real estate agents and developers) saying what a great success the FHOG has been. For this, of course, read that 30000 people have done the right thing and helped to keep agents and developers making money, even if they’re putting their own future at risk if they lose their job or the market tanks.
A question for any legally minded out there: Given the PM has told FHBs to dive in, grab the money and buy a house and there was not a disclaimer to be seen about “the advice being general in nature and individual circumstances should be considered, blah blah blah…”, what is the position regarding a lack of qualifications to give such advice? Would there be an opening for some sort of legal action if a FHO were to lose their job or otherwise not be able to meet their commitments because they took the PMs advice?
Just a thought.
I had this speech sent to me this morning.
Chewman,
I had similar thoughts, but more about the RBA and Mr Richards himself. What a spin DR. They, the RBA, is deep in the S… and is now busy trying to spin themselves out of it. But at the same time they are attempting to get young people into trouble.
homes4aussies,
I share your thoughts on this spin merchant. His graphs were carefully compiled to match the speech, but could net keep all the bad news out.
As I mention earlier in this post, average homes in my area have dropped by around 17%, not 3%. They can no longer keep on spinning that things are hunky dory, so they spin that only the upper end of the property market has now dropped. We shall see Mr Richard, I will like to remind you of your words, and I would like to know if you are going to vacate your position for a real economist like Dr Keen when that happens. Ooo sorry I forgot, you guys don’t put your money where your mouth is. Better to use someone else’s money.
Extract of his summary;
First, the recent significant falls in the cash rate are having positive effects on the
economy and the household sector, and have contributed to a significant improvement in household cash flows and in measures of housing affordability for people paying mortgages or contemplating home-ownership. COUPLED WITH THE LAST PARAGRAPH ON PAGE 5 WHICH READS So the question arises whether a period of low interest rates in Australia (combined
with the boost in grants to first-home buyers) could lead to an expansion of lending to
riskier borrowers who will only be able to afford their mortgages as long as interest
rates remain low. I think there are good reasons to think this is not a major risk. UNFORTUNATELY YOU DO NOT TELL US WHY. JUST EARLIER YOU TOLD US THAT THIS LEAD TO CATASTROPHE IN THE USA BUT NOW IT WILL NOT HAPPEN HERE. PROBABLY THE MARSUPIAL SYNDROME AT WORK I GUESS. I HOPE YOU ARE GEARING UP INTO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY MR RICHARDS. ACTUALLY 18 MONTHS AGO WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER, IN FACT. WHAT WILL BE THE EFFECT ON THE FHO’S IF INTEREST RATES WERE TO RISE, SPECIALLY TO REFLECT THE RISK OF ALL THE DEFAULTING LOANS WE ARE GOING TO SEE SOON, WE KNOW THEY ARE ON THE RISE. AGENTS HAVE COMMENTED ON THE FHO’S GEARING UP TO THE HILT ON LOW INTEREST LOANS. EVEN THEY ARE CONCERNED, AND THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN OFTEN.
Second, although homebuilding is likely to remain weak in the near term (I AGREE), there are a number of factors which should support activity over the medium term, providing stimulus to the broader economy. YES PLEASE TELL US. MAYBE MORE DEBT FOR THE SOON TO BE UNEMPLOYED. OR MAYBE MASS MIGRATION. YOUR STRAIT LINE GRAPHS TELL YOU THIS DON’T THEY.
Finally, when one looks at the behaviour of the household sector
over the past five years – in particular the trends in housing prices, and household
income, spending and borrowing – it is evident that there has been a significant
degree of consolidation since the housing boom slowed in 2003. This will reduce the
vulnerability of the household sector in the current slowdown. REALLY. IN MELBOURNE PRICES ESCALATED WITH AROUND 50 – 75% SINCE MID 2003 FROM A ALREADY INFLATED SITUATION. WE ALL KNOW THAT WA, QUEENSLAND AND NT HAD EVEN GREATER RISES. DISPOSABLE INCOME HAS ONLY IMPROVED DUE TO THE STIMULUS PACKAGES (used to repay debt) AND DROPPING INTEREST RATES
dearprudence
Yes we do not live in the same world as the spin merchant. I suppose we live in the real world and he is with speed in a different stratosphere.
As I said before, the next phase will tell us who is right.
And now for the Financial Stability Review also released yesterday –
“household income increased by almost 10 per cent, well above the
historical average (Table 9). An important factor underpinning this outcome was a large increase
in government transfer payments, which grew by nearly 40 per cent over the year, contributing
around 5 percentage points to the increase in aggregate income over that period”
And
“growth in employment income
slowed over the course of 2008″
As I said, interesting to see Tony’s Graph 2 without the December (and March 09) handouts…. A genuinely balanced coveraged would have discounted these one offs!
I was fascinated by this thread as I am currently in the UK and embarking for Melbourne in October with my family.
rooivis repeatedly stressed the greater importance of land values (which gyrate wildly) over house prices (which move more slowly). This point is absolutely crucial to understanding what is going on in all the Anglo-Saxon economies.
The best book on this subject is “Boom Bust: House Prices, Banking and the Depression of 2010″ by Fred Harrison. There have been 4 editions of this great book and the first one came out in January 1999. Harrison studied British land prices over a period of several hundred years and shows quite clearly an 18-year cycle. British house prices may have dropped around 20% over the past 18 months but that is just the beginning. By 2010 they should be down by another 50% to bring them to a decline of around 60%
I am sure some of the readers here visit the blog http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com – it is a classic and the opinions presented have been spot on over the past 2-3 years. I think that any Australians who think that they are so far away that what happens elsewhere is not so important are in for a rude awakening.
I strongly suspect that Australia will have it even worse. I mean, even in the boom, the banks were hugely dependent of foreign borrowing to keep their mortgage departments busy.
Dear Oct2009Migrant,
Lets hope you arrive here with things slightly better than you suggest, but alas I think you may be correct.
Hi Steve, that data that you reproduced from Stapledon’s work has been largely discredited. Nobody was actually collecting Australian median house price statistics in the 1800s. What Stapledon did is he looked up some old newspapers from the 1800s and noted the advertised price of some properties listed for sale on one day of one month of each year in Sydney. He then somehow extrapolated this very small data set out to create an Australia-wide median house price index. Reliable Australia median house price statistics go back to the 1970s. Anything prior to that is mainly guesswork. I hope you’re not basing too many of your predictions on Stapledon’s discredited data? Cheers, Shadow.
Hello Shadow,
I know Nigel, and attended a seminar where he explained how that data was assembled. It was a fairly careful piece of data collection and consistency checking, for which he received his PhD. While there is no such thing as a perfect asset price index, his work certainly has not been discredited. In the absence of any other indices, it gives a pattern that should be considered when discussing the sustainability of the current level of Australian house prices.
The details of his data collection process and the sample size are available in his thesis, which is downloadable here.
I don’t base my conclusions on Stapledon’s work alone–as I emphasise on this blog, my main interest is in the macrodynamics of debt, rather than on property prices. But since so much of Australia’s debt has been accumulated in financing house price speculation, I can’t avoid being drawn into this area to some degree. A bubble is also evident even in the ABS series alone, and it is clearly a bigger bubble than in the USA on that basis. Stapledon’s work simply gives a better base line from which to compare the Australian index with the Case-Shiller one in the USA.
Has anyone read “100 years of land values in Chicago”? This seems to be a replay of many cyclical boom/busts.
I am living between Switzerland (where home prices are still below their 1992 levels) and Perth Australia. We have been trying to buy one of the many empty houses North of Perth for the last 2 years. These houses are AU$800k to AU$3m. NONE of them are directly on the beach and there are too many of them to count.
We have been hoping for them to drop in price but this doesnt seem to be happening. I dont know anyone from our community in Mullaloo who is a millionaire. I dont know anyone in that community who makes +200,000$ a year. Who is going to buy these houses?
You guys are worried about first time home buyers creating a subprime mess, but I dont see how that can happen if there are only houses for Millionaires. Perhaps its different in the East?
All of my Australian home price indicators show that Aussie home prices should be 60% below current levels over the next three years. But how could they have gotten this pricy in the first place.
As far as “Shadow’s” comments: I dont think you have ever put together an statistical database before in your life. Its not easy, but its not rocket science either. If you dont like his findings then get the data and run a 3 year moving average on it till 1972. Thats about as accurate as you can probably get. I think the US census data for New Home Sale Prices is no more accurate. There are always anomolies. I think Homer Hoyt shows this very clearly. Perhaps you are too insulated and used to the world of “Bloomberg data”?