James Galbraith has written a very good analysis of the crisis and why the policies being followed in the USA (and, by implication, here) will not work.
I reproduce some extracts here to give you a flavour of the article, but I recommend a read of the full paper in the Washington Monthly–thanks to blog member Warren Raftshol for bringing it to my attention. The emphasis added to some points is mine.
No Return to Normal. Why the economic crisis, and its solution, are bigger than you think.
The deepest belief of the modern economist is that the economy is a self-stabilizing system. This means that, even if nothing is done, normal rates of employment and production will someday return. Practically all modern economists believe this, often without thinking much about it. (Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said it reflexively in a major speech in London in January: “The global economy will recover.” He did not say how he knew.) The difference between conservatives and liberals is over whether policy can usefully speed things up. Conservatives say no, liberals say yes, and on this point Obama’s economists lean left. Hence the priority they gave, in their first days, to the stimulus package.
But did they get the scale right? Was the plan big enough? Policies are based on models; in a slump, plans for spending depend on a forecast of how deep and long the slump would otherwise be. The program will only be correctly sized if the forecast is accurate. And the forecast depends on the underlying belief. If recovery is not built into the genes of the system, then the forecast will be too optimistic, and the stimulus based on it will be too small…
Why did the CBO reach this conclusion? On depth, CBO’s model is based on the postwar experience, and such models cannot predict outcomes more serious than anything already seen. If we are facing a downturn worse than 1982, our computers won’t tell us; we will be surprised. And if the slump is destined to drag on, the computers won’t tell us that either. Baked into the CBO model we find a “natural rate of unemployment” of 4.8 percent; the model moves the economy back toward that value no matter what. In the real world, however, there is no reason to believe this will happen. Some alternative forecasts, freed of the mystical return to “normal,” now project a GDP gap twice as large as the CBO model predicts, and with no near-term recovery at all…
Three further considerations limited the plan. There was, to begin with, the desire for political consensus; President Obama chose to start his administration with a bill that might win bipartisan support and pass in Congress by wide margins. (He was, of course, spurned by the Republicans.) Second, the new team also sought consensus of another type. Christina Romer polled a bipartisan group of professional economists, and Larry Summers told Meet the Press that the final package reflected a “balance” of their views. This procedure guarantees a result near the middle of the professional mind-set. The method would be useful if the errors of economists were unsystematic. But they are not. Economists are a cautious group, and in any extreme situation the midpoint of professional opinion is bound to be wrong.
The most likely scenario, should the Geithner plan go through, is a combination of looting, fraud, and a renewed speculation in volatile commodity markets such as oil. Ultimately the losses fall on the public anyway, since deposits are largely insured. There is no chance that the banks will simply resume normal long-term lending. To whom would they lend? For what? Against what collateral? And if banks are recapitalized without changing their management, why should we expect them to change the behavior that caused the insolvency in the first place?…
In other words, Roosevelt employed Americans on a vast scale, bringing the unemployment rates down to levels that were tolerable, even before the war—from 25 percent in 1933 to below 10 percent in 1936, if you count those employed by the government as employed, which they surely were. In 1937, Roosevelt tried to balance the budget, the economy relapsed again, and in 1938 the New Deal was relaunched. This again brought unemployment down to about 10 percent, still before the war…
The New Deal rebuilt America physically, providing a foundation (the TVA’s power plants, for example) from which the mobilization of World War II could be launched. But it also saved the country politically and morally, providing jobs, hope, and confidence that in the end democracy was worth preserving. There were many, in the 1930s, who did not think so.
What did not recover, under Roosevelt, was the private banking system. Borrowing and lending—mortgages and home construction—contributed far less to the growth of output in the 1930s and ’40s than they had in the 1920s or would come to do after the war. If they had savings at all, people stayed in Treasuries, and despite huge deficits interest rates for federal debt remained near zero. The liquidity trap wasn’t overcome until the war ended.
It was the war, and only the war, that restored (or, more accurately, created for the first time) the financial wealth of the American middle class. During the 1930s public spending was large, but the incomes earned were spent. And while that spending increased consumption, it did not jumpstart a cycle of investment and growth, because the idle factories left over from the 1920s were quite sufficient to meet the demand for new output. Only after 1940 did total demand outstrip the economy’s capacity to produce civilian private goods—in part because private incomes soared, in part because the government ordered the production of some products, like cars, to halt…
Third, in the debt deflation, liquidity trap, and global crisis we are in, there is no risk of even a massive program generating inflation or higher long-term interest rates. That much is obvious from current financial conditions: interest rates on long-maturity Treasury bonds are amazingly low. Those rates also tell you that the markets are not worried about financing Social Security or Medicare. They are more worried, as I am, that the larger economic outlook will remain very bleak for a long time…
A paradox of the long view is that the time to embrace it is right now. We need to start down that path before disastrous policy errors, including fatal banker bailouts and cuts in Social Security and Medicare, are put into effect. It is therefore especially important that thought and learning move quickly. Does the Geithner team, forged and trained in normal times, have the range and the flexibility required? If not, everything finally will depend, as it did with Roosevelt, on the imagination and character of President Obama.






March 21st, 2009 at 7:13 am
“Does the Geithner team, forged and trained in normal times, have the range and the flexibility required? If not, everything finally will depend, as it did with Roosevelt, on the imagination and character of President Obama.”
Now there’s a cheery thought.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:10 am
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/budget-outlook-sees-slow-growth/story.aspx?guid=%7B25E4E948%2DB882%2D4D45%2D8BAA%2DB28C56320DE8%7D
The link above points to interesting article titled:- “Budget outlook sees slow growth, few jobs, red ink”
The following two paragraphs from the article are of particular interest as it shows that even the CBO has a negative outlook:-
“The current recession, which began in December 2007, took a sudden and severe turn for the worst late last year,” the CBO said. The output gap — the difference between what the economy produces and what it could produce — will widen an average 7% over the next two years. The output will persist through 2014 despite above-trend growth in 2010 and 2011.
That wide output gap would mean unemployment will stay high and inflation will remain low for years. And it would mean more red ink for the federal government.”
PS I looked up CBO and it looks like it refers to “Congressional Budget Office”, which I assume forms part of the treasury.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:51 am
Hi Jim:
No, CBO is a non-or-bi-partisan research service for the U.S. Congress in general, while the OMB is an office under the direct control of the White House. So, since it’s not directly controlled by any partisan interests, the CBO is generally considered tougher and more objective in its reporting and analysis than the OMB, which is generally regarded as skewing assumptions and cooking the books in favor of the objectives of the incumbent administration.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Yes, I read the original and I agree – it’s a powerful piece.
What is striking is the contrast between then and now. Roosevelt concentrated on fixing the country, not the banks. He got unemployment down to manageable levels well before the war, and the banking system did not resume its predatory growth for decades.
Bernanke as a Depression expert and a banker, is doing the opposite: just trying to fix the banks and he doesn’t yet know it can’t be done. Bush was out of his depth, so now the only guy with a hope in hell of changing direction is Obama.
It is said: Americans can be relied upon to do the right thing, after they’ve tried everything else first. We can but hope.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Very interesting article. So in effect he is saying we (or at least the US) need economic stimulus, but of an order of magnitude or two larger than any contemplated so far and which is also completely transformative of banking, finance and how the wider economy works.
I agree with him but I’m not sure I can see the way through this given the current geopolitical structure forged as it is from the ashes of WWII.
The parallels he draws with how the world recovered last time are apt but the trick this time is to avoid trashing the place again. It is a political as much as an economic challenge and if we are to preserve democracy in the process it will require a lot more discussion, persuasion and open debate.
The globalisation of capital, finance and trade but not of populations or the associated national politics has in large part contributed to this mess. It seems to me that the West could not have spent like there was no tomorrow if not financed by major creditors like China and the Middle East.
Paul Keating summed this point well saying fiscal stimulus has its limits
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/03/05/2508723.htm
given the a world order which fails to take into account the views and needs of most of the world’s population (the G20 and wider developing world).
I am not in a position to know how accurate his analysis of the contribution of China’s excess saving vs the US and West’s excess spending is (comments Steve?) but it’s pretty clear that China’s foreign reserves and the US (and our) debt cannot be seen as a bedrock for a global system anywhere near equilibrium. And this state of affairs is not new either.
So in the end, I guess I am in the same camp is James Galbraith; the success or failure of the US and world economy rests of the imagination and character of President Obama and the leadership he and other world leaders now show during this crisis. It’s going to require a depth of vision comparable to the greats of history to convince the world to endure the necessary pain now to properly recover and meet the very real challenges we all now face.
March 21st, 2009 at 1:38 pm
James Galbraith-;
“That being so, what must now be done? The first thing we need, in the wake of the recovery bill, is more recovery bills. The next efforts should be larger, reflecting the true scale of the emergency. There should be open-ended support for state and local governments, public utilities, transit authorities, public hospitals, schools, and universities for the duration, and generous support for public capital investment in the short and long term. To the extent possible, all the resources being released from the private residential and commercial construction industries should be absorbed into public building projects. ”
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Not to 2nd guess someone as emminant as James Galbraith, his solutions to the crisis appear to imply an assumption in new debt levels far far beyond all reasonable known limits. In itself, this would be an even further journey into the unknown, far moreso than where we find in ourselves these uncertain days.
And given the events of last week at the Fed, I suppose JG believes the US can fund such an enormous ramp up in debt (beyond todays stratospheric dimensions) by the Fed printing far higher quantities of money? I don’t see how the Bond market could support it. More likely it would lead to a bond market dislocation of catastrophic proportions.
In the 30’s the US was the worlds creditor nation- not unlike China’s role today. The ability for the US to finance it’s New Deal Mk1 was never really in question. Today it is vastly different.
In any case, Galbraith has correctly pointed out the GFC is a political crisis of some magnitude. The market’s, such as they are these days, are dealing with the steady mark-to-market of impaired/inflated assets of all kinds. The Political crisis is here and now, it’s outcomes still unknown and fraught with terribly damaging choices.
Alarmingly, and even here in Galbraith’s piece, the Keynsian / Neo Classical ideals of “more debt cures all” are prevailing. But there are now coming through a number of dissenter’s who are gaining more airtime in tearing down this preposterous premise. We had better come to our senses fast,before the so called winners rejoice, amid thier (our) piles of rubble.
March 21st, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Steve – Thinking out aloud on the impossibility of generating inflation… Despite deleveraging, despite the credit driven nature of the money supply you described in your Cavaliers of Credit post, is it not possible that high inflation might come about in the US because of a currency collapse? I’m not sure what the situation looked like in the 1930s, but today the US is substantially on the hook to foreign bond holders. That leaves the USD vulnerable, does it not? I have heard many comments to the effect that there is no way that foreign governments would dump their US treasuries, but given that we will soon be talking about tens of trillions of dollars of US government debt that can only be paid off by printing tens of trillions of greenback, aren’t these bonds worthless already? And as the US economy collapses, contributing less and less to the GDP of nations such as China and Japan, what incentive will they have to keep propping her up?
March 21st, 2009 at 3:43 pm
I too am interested in the question Blavatsky raises.
Whether/when China/Japan might bail on USD assets is not an easy one to answer. China like the rest of the world stands to loose a lot from a decision to drop the USD as well.
But the actions of the US Fed this week to start up the printing press is worrying to say the least. Ross Gittens explains it today as a means by which US mortgage rates might be eased:
http://business.smh.com.au/business/when-cheaper-prices-arent-a-good-thing-20090320-94ed.html
but the bigger question remains – at what point does USD quantitative easing to help finance massive US spending devalue USD assets to the point that the rest of the world decides on a different solution.
Some like Karl Denninger have a very pessimistic view:
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/882-Actions-Have-Consequences.html
Others like Peter Schiff have explained this recent period of rising and now falling US dollar value as a flight to (perceived) safety followed by potential hyper-inflation and USD collapse:
http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/schiff/2008/1212.html
I’d be interested in your view of this question Steve.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Steve Keen: This is a very nice piece from George Megalogenis on household indebtedness: The live now, pay later trap
No-one could envisage the consequences of the financial crisis? Really? No-one?
March 21st, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Steve – I’ve joined the queue for your thoughts on when the international community, (or at least those Governments whose fiat currency has better asset backing), decide:
1.The USD is not a safe haven;
2.They have had enough of the USD dominated international trade and;
3.No longer see a need to hold reserves in USD.
I doubt that I am alone when I say that the Brenton Woods Accord gave the US a decidedly unfair advantage in being able to expand its M3 without a USD devaluation. – I still don’t understand the Fed’s argument for dropping the M3 – History tells us that the gold standard kept US Governments in check until 1971, (or more accurately about 1969). But from then on it’s almost like the rest of the world were set up. ie. Get them hooked on USD and then start watering the dose down.
But will the customers one day go for their fix of USD and find it doesn’t have the same “bang for their buck”? I suspect it will start with progressive complaints, carefully worded into appropriate questions permitted to be asked at press conferences with US Secretaries of State.
One thing for certain in all this is that Helicopter Ben has made it abundantly clear that his hero is Milton Friedman and his best friend, (like his predecessor’s of the last 40 years), is a printing press. Straight out of the Friedman handbook came Ben’s latest reassurance that (and I paraphrase here a bit); everything is fine and it will be business as usual by the end of the year and p.s. I’m printing money so you better start spending again.
I agree that it will be impossible for the US (and the rest of the world), to inflate their currencies sufficiently to avoid the; deleveraging – plummeting business profit – unemployment – lower tax revenue – and of course our favorite; lower real estate prices – downward spiral.
David Bassanese in this weekend’s Fin Review writes in reference to the BOE and the Fed’s recent printing press efforts:
“If higher inflation expectations lead to higher risk premium in long-term interest rates, central bank’s efforts to push down bond yields and reflate asset values will ultimately prove fruitless.”
You simply cannot have inflation of the magnitude required (this calls for one of your graphs Steve), to replace the deleveraging without causing massive loan defaults. Higher inflation (or the expectation thereof) causes higher interest rates, no matter what central banks tell us the base rate should be. The only way around this is to nationalise banks.
I’m not sure I like where this is going. Over to you Steve.
March 21st, 2009 at 8:16 pm
hi steve and all,
came accross an interesting paper on the history/trends of sovereign debt defaults- its titled “800 years of financial folly”- unfortunately the stats dont cover the very latest period but the trends are interesting.
http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/1067
March 21st, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Hi to all those convinced that US treasuries are worthless.
I ask this question. If you were China and you sold your treasuries, where would you put your money?
What investment is safe? I have been asking the same question on this site for 9 months. All I ever hear is gold. I don’t buy that answer. It is the mainstream response. You can’t eat gold. It doesn’t earn anything. All you can hope for is that the next person will pay you more for it. That is the same as ponzi housing.
At least with the US people, they generate tax revenue, they produce, they innovate, they grow and they consume. Gold sits in a vault gathering dust.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:12 pm
America is in worse shape than we are lead to believe. It is the sick man of the Western world….and countries like Britain and Australia won’t be far behind if we don’t make serious changes to the way we do things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Q14HOBThM&feature=PlayList&p=C7C2D7AFFD62C0BA&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=78
March 21st, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Hi Bullturnedbear,
I think that most of your analysis is exceptional but that you have an undiagnosed problem with gold. I can think of at least a couple of reasons why gold is safe compared to trashuries. Among other things, gold does not inflate its way out of debt or invite questions of sovereign default, and nor does it have way too many guns per head of population. Having said that, your implicit point about China is correct – they are not going to sell/replace their treasuries with gold, or anything else for that matter. In fact $US will probably be a very good place to be in a medium-term US-led debt deflation, unless I am missing something…
March 21st, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Hi Bullturnedbear,
I agree with you and Bill that over the medium term we are stuck with USD. It is going to be very hard for any country to move away from the greenback when there is no obvious alternative. Eastern Europe has ensured that the Euro will not fill the void.
The WA government cannot borrow $1.3 billion it needs and has asked the Commonwealth for help. Without the Commonwealth government guarantee our banks would be in the same boat.
The BIG question is – How long before Australia follows the US Fed lead and starts printing for Commonwealth debt. If that happens then anything but aussie dollars will look good. BTB – your thoughts on the likelyhood of this would be appreciated.
Medium to long term good investments I can think of are:
Farming/Agriculture – people gotta eat
Oil Wells – but I don’t know how you can directly investment in one
Health/Aged care services (but be very careful of those requiring government subsidies)
Telecommunications (as long as the company has minimal debts)
Education – the West is still seen as the fountain of knowledge
Three things that I would ask before investing
Do I trust this person/company with my money?
Do I understand the long term prospects of this industry?
Can I afford to have a period of minimal return on my money – do I have alternate sources of income to feed myself?
I would steer away from anything listed on the stockmarket – it is one big casino rigged by the big boys – and the answers to questions one and two are almost certainly no.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:30 am
hi btb,
you are probably right-the world isnt going to jettison the USD or treasuries for now.
there is an alternative.
as steve has pointed out any attempt to reflate the US economy would require it to print a pile of money the size of mount nyangani(tallest mountain in zimbabwe). they print more than the credit destruction taking place you get reflation. but as we know ,this could be anywhere between 20 and 40 trillion dollars.
which master do they obey.
do they compromise with thier creditors and moderate quantitative easing ,well short of whats required for reflation.
or
do they sacrifice their creditors on the alter of reflation and print the 40 trillion or so.
this would probably mean the US cutting itself off from the rest of the human race for a while,defaulting and going the self sufficiency route.
because of domestic instability and presure,
it might be they that pulls the plug on the rest of us, not the other way around .
home turf always wins.
i actually think it might be even a series of wider geo political events that might bring this debt tango undone.
this may end up being decided in the south chine sea or the straits of taiwan, or may be the sea of japan if north korea come into play.
then the dance will be over. until then you are probably going to be right. they will be a lot of stepping on toes but US will still have a few dance partners.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:49 am
Gold (probably) can’t lose all its value suddenly – it’s tangible and physical and pretty much recession proof. Having said that, what’s wrong with cash? It is backed by the government – it doesn’t get any better than that. If you get deflation, then use your cash to pick up some cheap assets and if you get inflation then watch your interest go through roof. As I’ve said previously, I can’t fathom major bank failure in OZ – even with a severe downturn in house prices. It’s share holders that go before depositors and even in the event of a bank nationalization the depositors are secured. In the modern system (as evidenced by the U.S, where the govt will hold up the banking system no matter what) then what is the great advantage of bonds over cash? Cash is king.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:44 am
“If you were China and you sold your treasuries, where would you put your money?”
If I were China I would long ago have bought something useful with all those US dollars and never have stuck it into stupid treasury bonds in the first place. For a start I’d be buying pretty much all the rare metals from around the world (especially anything with industrial significance), and I’d be stockpiling oil, then I’d also be buying any key technology patents and even whole foreign tech-companies and people wherever possible.
Then again, if I were China I would not filter the Internet and I would be implementing a phased introduction of direct Democracy as well, so my approach probably isn’t a good predictor of what the real China will do.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:51 am
hi soley,
re bretton woods,
bretton woods is all about geo political power .
the US got its way, because after the war, it was the biggest creditor and militarilly had the muscle to get what it wanted.
while europe on the other hand was broke and buried in rubble.
we have to often look to the past to see the future. as they say history doesnt repeat it rhymes.
we probably need bretton woods mark 2, but until someone else(most likely china) has deep enough pockets and the military muscle to go with it, to get its own way, it probably isnt going to happen. this may be many decades away.
the other possibility and a more likely one in the medium term, is that the US might pull the plug on bretton woods itself, in order to fix an ever more deepening domestic crises . dont forget they have tried and gotton away with changing the rules to suite themselves before.
there might even be an attempt at geo politically re shaping the footy field so to speak. you know, knoble a few of the players in order to get more leverage. a small war or naval blockade here , or a regional conflict their. just to let everyone know whos boss and to keep the rules and any changes to them in its favour.
the fate of the british empire and its finances were sealed in the deserts of arabia when the locals got their hand on machine guns.
the fate of bretton woods and US dollar hegemony may be sealed off the straits of taiwan or the sea of japan, when super power rivalry rears its ugly head, forcing the US and the rest of the world to go their seperate ways temporarily.
lets hope history skips a line every now and then and we dont have world war two and a half or three waiting at the other end of this mess
they will probably try to change the rules again
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:51 am
“what’s wrong with cash? It is backed by the government – it doesn’t get any better than that. If you get deflation, then use your cash to pick up some cheap assets”
Governments are unwilling to cop the political fallout of deflation, they do whatever is necessary to inflate the currency as a compensator, so that assets hold their value. The RBA keeps a bit of a finger in the prevailing political winds so they make sure they (completely independently) do what is expected of them. If the inflated currency balances the debt deflation then we get some measure of stability (and I do hope these guys get it right).
“and if you get inflation then watch your interest go through roof.”
Tax, my friend, will relieve you of that excess interest, resulting in a nett loss of buying power for your cash savings.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:01 am
well said tel,
unfortunately about 20 years too late
the chinese could have done with you wispering in their ear 20 years ago.
the horse has well and truely bolted, and was last scene heading to the knackery yard
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:44 am
Well the Chinese have blown their dough in the treasury bonds. The US currency will inflate and devalue their investment probably to a quarter of what China was hoping to get back. So it’s too late on that score (but I think the realization hasn’t fully hit them yet).
On the other hand, China’s potential as a superpower is only just beginning. They have plenty more chances to invest wisely next time. They could do worse than just buying a random assortment of the most high value industrial metals right now. Tantalum, rhodium, platinum, titanium, etc. Buy, buy, buy and ten years from now all of them will be back in high demand.
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:50 am
You know, gold bugs are a funny lot. I agree that gold has inherent value, but it is still not “money” at this time. It is no different than zink, iron, steel, platinum, aluminum, or copper. They also have inherent value, but they are not money. Real estate has inherent value too, but it is not money, and it also does not always go up in price. They are all in the same category.
What people need to realize about “fiat currency” is the fact that its material content is NOT what gives it value. The “value” is derived by LAW. As long as the United States Government, or any country has “legal tender” laws in payment of taxes and debt, the “fiat money” will have value. It’s as simple as that.
Deflation in the 1930’s did NOT occur because we were on the “gold standard” as the gold bugs claim. Deflation in the 1930’s occurred because the “credit spigot” shut down, just like it has done NOW. If you do not understand cause and effect, you will ALWAYS come up with the wrong conclusions.
Now gold is an inflation play, by those who do not understand central banking and credit, but it is NOT money AT THIS TIME. Right now “commodities” including gold, which is not money, is subject to leveraged speculation, and will fluctuate as such, but I assure you, that unless the “credit engine” fires up again, the chances of hyperinflation are close to zero.
What we are dealing with now is an extreme case of “wealth disparity”. Steve has not addressed this issue yet, but there is a direct correlation between concentrated wealth and income and “economic breakdown”.
Until economists and political figures understand and wake up to this FACT, things will continue to deteriorate, as tax revenue and employment opportunities fall and policies fail to address the disparity in incomes and wealth.
The problem of course is that in the real world, economic wealth and income equate to political capital, and those who are in charge and holding all the “cards” are not willing to give up what they have amassed, to rev up the economic engine. They will not “invest” in new equipment and jobs, because there is NO ECONOMY LEFT that they have not seized.
The plutocrats who have benefitted from the last 30 years of wealth concentration and who control the political process, are NOT yet ready to give anything up.
Until people wake up from their “MATRIX” and take the blue pill, things will continue to deteriorate.
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:54 am
or was that the red pill…..whatever
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:01 am
From Mish Sedlock
Deflation Economics
Conditions today are essentially the same as during the great depression. I talked about this in Humpty Dumpty On Inflation. When I wrote that piece, I listed 15 conditions one would expect to see in deflation and the score was a perfect 15-15. I recently added a 16th: bank failures. Click on link to see the conditions table.
Those who stick to a monetary definition of inflation pointing at M2, M3, MZM, or base money supply, as well as definitions that involve prices are selecting a definition of inflation that makes absolutely no practical sense.
It is the destruction of credit, coupled with the fact that what the Fed is printing is not even being lent that matters, not some Humpty-Dumptyish academic definition that has no real world application!
I have long been arguing that we are in deflation based on the following definitions: Inflation is a net expansion of money and credit. Deflation is a net contraction of money and credit. In both definitions, credit needs to be marked to market.
Mathematical Model
I can express the above mathematically.
Fm = Fb + MV(Fc)
Fm = Fiat Money Total
Fb = Fiat Monetary Base
Fc = Fiat Credit, the amount of credit on the balances sheets of institutions in excess of Fb
MV(Fc) is the market value Fc
Inflation is an expansion of Fm
Deflation is a contraction of Fm
If only base money was lent out (no fractional reserve lending), MV(Fc) would equal zero. The equation ensures we do not double count credit in Fm.
MV is a function of time preference and credit sentiment (ie. Belief that one can be paid back). As long as that belief was high, banks were willing to lend.
Because (at the moment) Fc (credit) dwarfs Fb (base money), the system can only hold together as long as there is belief credit can be paid back and as long as there are not defaults. Needless to say, the perceived belief that Fc can be paid back is under attack, both by rising defaults, and by sentiment. That is why MV(Fc) is collapsing.
In other words, the mark to market value of credit is contracting faster than base money is rising.
While Keen’s endogenous money model doesn’t presently account for base money changes, since credit money dwarfs base money, base money is ignorable.
Cash injections of the order of 0.25 gdp ($3.5 trillion US/year) are necessary to shorten the depression to a mere 4-5 years. After prices start to rise, the injections have to stop, of course, because they become highly inflationary.
Galbraith’s suggestion that money could be injected via social security payment increases is one method. However, I am looking forward to getting $1000/month so that I can pay off my credit cards.
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:03 am
Oops, sorry for the doubel post
From Mish Sedlock
Deflation Economics
Conditions today are essentially the same as during the great depression. I talked about this in Humpty Dumpty On Inflation. When I wrote that piece, I listed 15 conditions one would expect to see in deflation and the score was a perfect 15-15. I recently added a 16th: bank failures. Click on link to see the conditions table.
Those who stick to a monetary definition of inflation pointing at M2, M3, MZM, or base money supply, as well as definitions that involve prices are selecting a definition of inflation that makes absolutely no practical sense.
It is the destruction of credit, coupled with the fact that what the Fed is printing is not even being lent that matters, not some Humpty-Dumptyish academic definition that has no real world application!
I have long been arguing that we are in deflation based on the following definitions: Inflation is a net expansion of money and credit. Deflation is a net contraction of money and credit. In both definitions, credit needs to be marked to market.
Mathematical Model
I can express the above mathematically.
Fm = Fb + MV(Fc)
Fm = Fiat Money Total
Fb = Fiat Monetary Base
Fc = Fiat Credit, the amount of credit on the balances sheets of institutions in excess of Fb
MV(Fc) is the market value Fc
Inflation is an expansion of Fm
Deflation is a contraction of Fm
If only base money was lent out (no fractional reserve lending), MV(Fc) would equal zero. The equation ensures we do not double count credit in Fm.
MV is a function of time preference and credit sentiment (ie. Belief that one can be paid back). As long as that belief was high, banks were willing to lend.
Because (at the moment) Fc (credit) dwarfs Fb (base money), the system can only hold together as long as there is belief credit can be paid back and as long as there are not defaults. Needless to say, the perceived belief that Fc can be paid back is under attack, both by rising defaults, and by sentiment. That is why MV(Fc) is collapsing.
In other words, the mark to market value of credit is contracting faster than base money is rising.
While Keen’s endogenous money model doesn’t presently account for base money changes, since credit money dwarfs base money, base money is ignorable.
Cash injections of the order of 0.25 gdp ($3.5 trillion US/year) are necessary to shorten the depression to a mere 4-5 years. After prices start to rise, the injections have to stop, of course, because they become highly inflationary.
Galbraith’s suggestion that money could be injected via social security payment increases is one method. However, I am looking forward to getting $1000/month so that I can pay off my credit cards.
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:06 am
Above link should be:
From Mish Sedlock
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:33 am
I just noticed that Steve Keen is in the Daily Telegraph talking about the mini boom in lower priced houses because of the Govt first home owners scheme…The Govt has hinted it will not continue this program but most people think they will…..if they do so, will this continue the mini boom?….and for the record, what percentage from this point does Steve Keen estimate that real estate prices will fall?
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:41 am
Hi Stats and others,
Great discussion. When will Oz start Quantitative easing? Who could predict with certainty? I still think sentiment (demand) is driving the government herd. When the people demand that the government stop printing and borrowing, the tap will be turned off.
That’s probably where I disagree with James Gal. I don’t think the American people will have a stomach for endless debt creation to be paid back by their children’s children. Eventually or soon the people will demand that the US government pull their head in and only spend what they can generate.
I read recently that China started “investing” directly in a big way into equities, property and other productive assets in early 2007. Doesn’t that just scream of herd behaviour? China joined the herd late in the game and got smashed. The article wasn’t clear but I got the impression, they divested between $300B and $600B. What’s that worth now half? Ouch! At least their treasuries grown positively for many years.
On investing in agriculture, oil, aged care, education. I have some opinion about agriculture. I have been researching this area for many years. I think farm land has been an even bigger ponzi scheme than residential property. I have asked agri-bankers “why on earth would you buy farm land? The productive yield for some farms is under 1%. Without blinking the agri-bankers answer “because the land is in short supply and the value will just keep going up”. Wrong answer.
I think the inflated valuations and over indebtedness are huge in the farm sector. I am a big fan of farming. It is essential production. But I would need to see a crash in values before I put my money there or I recommend anyone else put their money there.
I noticed Jim Rogers talking down the US and talking up the likelihood of a depression recently. He then went on to say that he thinks agriculture was the way to go. He would be putting his money (his clients’ money) into ag. He has a vested interest in raising more money from investors and needs to tell people a story that they can relate too.
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:23 am
Things are goning down hill fast
http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/21/james-k-galbraith-reponds-to-geithners-toxic-asset-plan/
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:30 am
BTB
As one who has been involved in and around the agricultural game all of my life, I have long thought of farm land as just an extension of the general real estate ponzi scheme. I know many people who have either bought into farm land or expanded solely on the basis that it “will be worth more” in the future.
It was interesting to see “values” in my local area go from $400/acre in about 2000 to $1500-2000/acre recently. Considering they’d been at $400 for about 20 years prior, why did they suddenly go through the roof? Especially when the last few years have also seen the worst “drought” in living memory. The last time there was a decent dry spell in Australia, you couldn’t give stock or farms away. How many millions has the farming sector received in drought assistance since 2000 and yet prices have still gone up?
In other words, for the last few years farm prices, as with all real estate, have been totally detached from the income received. Hopefully this will change in the near future, but I wouldn’t hold my breath given all the vested interests involved.
I was reading the other day the opinions of a real estate “investor” saying how good an investment it is etc. etc. If it’s such a good investment, why does the govt. have to spend billions on FHOG, negative gearing, depreciation allowances etc. to keep people in the game? The “investors” have been living off the public purse, not any productive contribution to the world.
Get rid of all the market distorting incentives and then let’s see how good real estate is.