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		<title>By: Rudd&#8217;s essay is on the money&#160;&#124;&#160;Centre For Economic Stability</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudd&#8217;s essay is on the money&#160;&#124;&#160;Centre For Economic Stability</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] did us in, it&#8217;s the borrowing&#8220;, SMH 08/12/2008&#8211;see my blog entry on this &#8220;Ross Gittins finally comes aboard&#8220;), the latter, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] did us in, it&#8217;s the borrowing&#8220;, SMH 08/12/2008&#8211;see my blog entry on this &#8220;Ross Gittins finally comes aboard&#8220;), the latter, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rudd&#8217;s essay is on the money &#124; Steve Keen's Debtwatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudd&#8217;s essay is on the money &#124; Steve Keen's Debtwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 23:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] did us in, it&#8217;s the borrowing&#8220;, SMH 08/12/2008&#8211;see my blog entry on this &#8220;Ross Gittins finally comes aboard&#8220;), the latter, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: prudentsaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>prudentsaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bullturned bear:

I still think there will be inflation. Not only inflation but an inflationary boom with Obama. It&#039;s just that we are at the fallout, right before the new expansion and selloff in worthless treasuries. If I am right, emerging markets will grow debt like crazy. I have noticed every wild boom have occurred when the growth rates have been around 4 % in developed countries, like the 80-90 boom.  This 4 % level is projected for the emerging economies next year, so if inflation follows the trend down in countries like brazil and the like, it means interest rates will come down from a 12 % level in brazil, to levels that are going to cause huge credit growth and a booming economy. The bank UBB is now worth around 400 billion, it&#039;s a very large number, the bank holds around 20 % of 
local debt in brazil, but I think it&#039;s going to grow. 

If the US is bankrupt, how can there be deflation?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1053684/posts

This article by Warren Buffet pretty much explains the fundamentals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bullturned bear:</p>
<p>I still think there will be inflation. Not only inflation but an inflationary boom with Obama. It&#8217;s just that we are at the fallout, right before the new expansion and selloff in worthless treasuries. If I am right, emerging markets will grow debt like crazy. I have noticed every wild boom have occurred when the growth rates have been around 4 % in developed countries, like the 80-90 boom.  This 4 % level is projected for the emerging economies next year, so if inflation follows the trend down in countries like brazil and the like, it means interest rates will come down from a 12 % level in brazil, to levels that are going to cause huge credit growth and a booming economy. The bank UBB is now worth around 400 billion, it&#8217;s a very large number, the bank holds around 20 % of<br />
local debt in brazil, but I think it&#8217;s going to grow. </p>
<p>If the US is bankrupt, how can there be deflation?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1053684/posts" rel="nofollow">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1053684/posts</a></p>
<p>This article by Warren Buffet pretty much explains the fundamentals.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A further explanation for the effect of rising debt is the scenario where I borrow $100,000 and then proceed to spend the money. In the process I have a great time and it employs some other people which makes the economy look good for a while.

But this is silly, the bank is not going to lend me money for no reason. But they will lend me an excessive amount for a real estate purchase which means I give someone an extra $100,000 they spend it and have a good time making the economy look good for a while.

Unfortunately in both scenarios I end up with an excessive debt so I don&#039;t spend as much in the future and everyone else eventually stops borrowing so there is less spending and we have a recession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A further explanation for the effect of rising debt is the scenario where I borrow $100,000 and then proceed to spend the money. In the process I have a great time and it employs some other people which makes the economy look good for a while.</p>
<p>But this is silly, the bank is not going to lend me money for no reason. But they will lend me an excessive amount for a real estate purchase which means I give someone an extra $100,000 they spend it and have a good time making the economy look good for a while.</p>
<p>Unfortunately in both scenarios I end up with an excessive debt so I don&#8217;t spend as much in the future and everyone else eventually stops borrowing so there is less spending and we have a recession.</p>
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		<title>By: tommyt</title>
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		<dc:creator>tommyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone heard Glenn Stevens &#039;press club&#039; address yesterday? he said in his opening remarks&quot;......I do not know anyone in the world who has predicted this economic crisis...&quot;
Wow what arrogance!I was flabbergasted after reading this blog for the last couple of years!! stunned!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone heard Glenn Stevens &#8216;press club&#8217; address yesterday? he said in his opening remarks&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;I do not know anyone in the world who has predicted this economic crisis&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Wow what arrogance!I was flabbergasted after reading this blog for the last couple of years!! stunned!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bullturnedbear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bullturnedbear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome Effit,

You are assuming that a change to the system will result in a better system. Don&#039;t be so sure.

In a democratic western world. Politicians make decisions that the populace want so that those politicians can get re-elected.

By the time the populace realises they want/need something it is way too late.

Have you noticed that policy in the US is trailing the carnage not leading it? Have you also noticed that Oz is copying the US only on delay? EG, The US Cut rates dramatically at the start of the year. We have cut dramatically now. The US pumped a fiscal stimulous package of $180 Billion (via a cash payment to individuals) in May and June. Our government is now paying out $10 Billion. 

Our Government has even loaned money into the car industry to prop up floor financiers and car financiers. 

As risk aversion increases our Government will also start rescuing companies that are deemed &quot;too important to fall&quot;. It&#039;s all bull!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome Effit,</p>
<p>You are assuming that a change to the system will result in a better system. Don&#8217;t be so sure.</p>
<p>In a democratic western world. Politicians make decisions that the populace want so that those politicians can get re-elected.</p>
<p>By the time the populace realises they want/need something it is way too late.</p>
<p>Have you noticed that policy in the US is trailing the carnage not leading it? Have you also noticed that Oz is copying the US only on delay? EG, The US Cut rates dramatically at the start of the year. We have cut dramatically now. The US pumped a fiscal stimulous package of $180 Billion (via a cash payment to individuals) in May and June. Our government is now paying out $10 Billion. </p>
<p>Our Government has even loaned money into the car industry to prop up floor financiers and car financiers. </p>
<p>As risk aversion increases our Government will also start rescuing companies that are deemed &#8220;too important to fall&#8221;. It&#8217;s all bull!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Effit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Effit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoy reading all the blogs, but my economics knowledge is very basic, and I approach it all through my circumstance of being a self-funded retiree watching hard earned money dissolving.  There are plenty of doom and gloom and ‘ain’t it awful’ stories all outdoing each other in the media, but I don’t read or hear of any analysis of doing what’s needed to avoid it happening again.  There was a glimmer of hope to hear Prof Ian Harper (previously Fair Pay Commissioner and now with Access Economics) on the ABC PM program yesterday admitting the theory recommended by the Wallis Enquiry in 1998 on financial deregulation with its ‘light touch’ regulatory structure was flawed&#039;.   ‘The whole idea of securitisation, trading securities to provide finance rather than balance sheets, seems to have come horribly adrift’, with the “efficient markets theory” that ‘markets are possessed of all the information they need to make rational and efficient decisions.’  He’s now recommending the Government establish a committee of inquiry that ‘can begin to think through how the intellectual foundations have changed, which would warrant us thinking afresh about how to regulate the system once we’re out of the crisis’.  ONCE WE’RE OUT OF THE CRISIS worried me!  Is ‘anyone’ looking at all this?  Is it included in the Tax Reform Inquiry being done by Treasury?  Or do we just have to keep drifting along waiting for the crisis to finally run its course?
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2441921.htm Call for new Australian financial system inquiry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy reading all the blogs, but my economics knowledge is very basic, and I approach it all through my circumstance of being a self-funded retiree watching hard earned money dissolving.  There are plenty of doom and gloom and ‘ain’t it awful’ stories all outdoing each other in the media, but I don’t read or hear of any analysis of doing what’s needed to avoid it happening again.  There was a glimmer of hope to hear Prof Ian Harper (previously Fair Pay Commissioner and now with Access Economics) on the ABC PM program yesterday admitting the theory recommended by the Wallis Enquiry in 1998 on financial deregulation with its ‘light touch’ regulatory structure was flawed&#8217;.   ‘The whole idea of securitisation, trading securities to provide finance rather than balance sheets, seems to have come horribly adrift’, with the “efficient markets theory” that ‘markets are possessed of all the information they need to make rational and efficient decisions.’  He’s now recommending the Government establish a committee of inquiry that ‘can begin to think through how the intellectual foundations have changed, which would warrant us thinking afresh about how to regulate the system once we’re out of the crisis’.  ONCE WE’RE OUT OF THE CRISIS worried me!  Is ‘anyone’ looking at all this?  Is it included in the Tax Reform Inquiry being done by Treasury?  Or do we just have to keep drifting along waiting for the crisis to finally run its course?<br />
<a href="http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2441921.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2441921.htm</a> Call for new Australian financial system inquiry</p>
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		<title>By: ickers</title>
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		<dc:creator>ickers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve,

Your site seems to have been subjected to a nasty script injection called &quot;yahoo-coutner&quot; which is occasionally successfully loading internet nasties on to my computer when I view your blog. Search any of your page&#039;s source for &quot;Yahoo! Counter starts&quot; to see what I&#039;m talking about. Guessing it is a wordpress vulnerability, but not sure.

Regards

Rhys</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,</p>
<p>Your site seems to have been subjected to a nasty script injection called &#8220;yahoo-coutner&#8221; which is occasionally successfully loading internet nasties on to my computer when I view your blog. Search any of your page&#8217;s source for &#8220;Yahoo! Counter starts&#8221; to see what I&#8217;m talking about. Guessing it is a wordpress vulnerability, but not sure.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Rhys</p>
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		<title>By: GSM</title>
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		<dc:creator>GSM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carbonsink,
Kevin and Co. are engaged in a massive media campagn with it&#039;s single intent on mitigating negative consumer sentiment. He is being actively aided by both the the printed and TV media. I have detected evidence of this from when Swan returned from his US trip about 6 weeks back as white as a sheet, and all stops were pulled then by Rudd on getting money into the economy. Shortly after, Rudd went on air on Channel 7 diametrically opposing Steve Keen on Channel 9&#039;s A Current Affair.

Big media news will be made of blips up in any sentiment readings. Besides, something had to come soon after Business leaders and economists so dramatically forecasted recession next year in yesterday&#039;s report.

As an aside though, I&#039;m googling regularly for articles on property prices to trawl up what is reaching print. SE Qld property is taking a very large hit now. So I for one am certain Steve&#039;s take on the future of property prices is coming to pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carbonsink,<br />
Kevin and Co. are engaged in a massive media campagn with it&#8217;s single intent on mitigating negative consumer sentiment. He is being actively aided by both the the printed and TV media. I have detected evidence of this from when Swan returned from his US trip about 6 weeks back as white as a sheet, and all stops were pulled then by Rudd on getting money into the economy. Shortly after, Rudd went on air on Channel 7 diametrically opposing Steve Keen on Channel 9&#8242;s A Current Affair.</p>
<p>Big media news will be made of blips up in any sentiment readings. Besides, something had to come soon after Business leaders and economists so dramatically forecasted recession next year in yesterday&#8217;s report.</p>
<p>As an aside though, I&#8217;m googling regularly for articles on property prices to trawl up what is reaching print. SE Qld property is taking a very large hit now. So I for one am certain Steve&#8217;s take on the future of property prices is coming to pass.</p>
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		<title>By: Bullturnedbear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bullturnedbear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Carbon,

The share market has been pretty much range bound since October. That type of market can signal to many people that a floor has been put under price. They then jump in. The market is cruel. In a bear market once the market has corrected from its falls long enough to suck the remaining optimists in it finds a new low.

The Markets will probably find a new low in the next month or less. After that low we should see a better correction. That is, a more upward correction, less sideways. That will signal to many that &quot;the worst is over&quot;. Once that correction has run its course the bear market will continue. 2008 and 2009 may go down in history as the worst period on record for stocks . 

It all comes back to sentiment. Positive sentiment drove the biggest debt and asset bubble in history and now negative sentiment will drive the worst share market falls in history. The caveat is that this may take longer to play out than I expect. The falls and the &quot;wake up&quot; has occurred much slower than I expected.

In terms of the Australian Banks. They are smart to raise capital now. The whole world has turned risk averse. Even the Oz banks. If the debt unwind gets really bad, like I expect. The banks will need every cent of capital to survive. Only the strong survive. Most lenders in Australia have already dropped out of the race. There is only a handful left. Will be interesting to see who the survivors are and who the government bails out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carbon,</p>
<p>The share market has been pretty much range bound since October. That type of market can signal to many people that a floor has been put under price. They then jump in. The market is cruel. In a bear market once the market has corrected from its falls long enough to suck the remaining optimists in it finds a new low.</p>
<p>The Markets will probably find a new low in the next month or less. After that low we should see a better correction. That is, a more upward correction, less sideways. That will signal to many that &#8220;the worst is over&#8221;. Once that correction has run its course the bear market will continue. 2008 and 2009 may go down in history as the worst period on record for stocks . </p>
<p>It all comes back to sentiment. Positive sentiment drove the biggest debt and asset bubble in history and now negative sentiment will drive the worst share market falls in history. The caveat is that this may take longer to play out than I expect. The falls and the &#8220;wake up&#8221; has occurred much slower than I expected.</p>
<p>In terms of the Australian Banks. They are smart to raise capital now. The whole world has turned risk averse. Even the Oz banks. If the debt unwind gets really bad, like I expect. The banks will need every cent of capital to survive. Only the strong survive. Most lenders in Australia have already dropped out of the race. There is only a handful left. Will be interesting to see who the survivors are and who the government bails out.</p>
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