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	<title>Comments on: DebtWatch No 29 December 2008</title>
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		<title>By: Steve Keen</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2008/11/30/debtwatch-no-29-december-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-13886</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Keen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 01:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s my current research project hmt,

and the model in the &quot;Thimble&quot; paper on the Research page is a first pass at this. I&#039;ll be going much further in the book I hope to get back to writing next year, once this crazy semester is over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s my current research project hmt,</p>
<p>and the model in the &#8220;Thimble&#8221; paper on the Research page is a first pass at this. I&#8217;ll be going much further in the book I hope to get back to writing next year, once this crazy semester is over.</p>
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		<title>By: hmt</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2008/11/30/debtwatch-no-29-december-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-13862</link>
		<dc:creator>hmt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a specialist in these kind of matters. But Ludwig von Mises mentionned in his book The Theory of Money and Credit (1924 in German and 1934 in English) the role of credit and banking and their role in creating booms and busts.

What I understood from your articles is that this is one of your main charges as well. And if I understood correctly you are trying to make a model which would reflect those complex relationships. 

As I said I&#039;m not a specialist, but I do feel for a long time that current problems could be (partly) attributed to our banking system, our money and creditsystems and our government. A lot is written nowadays about inflation or deflation but as far as I know no models could reliable predict these outcomes today.

Do you think that such models could be built ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a specialist in these kind of matters. But Ludwig von Mises mentionned in his book The Theory of Money and Credit (1924 in German and 1934 in English) the role of credit and banking and their role in creating booms and busts.</p>
<p>What I understood from your articles is that this is one of your main charges as well. And if I understood correctly you are trying to make a model which would reflect those complex relationships. </p>
<p>As I said I&#8217;m not a specialist, but I do feel for a long time that current problems could be (partly) attributed to our banking system, our money and creditsystems and our government. A lot is written nowadays about inflation or deflation but as far as I know no models could reliable predict these outcomes today.</p>
<p>Do you think that such models could be built ?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Keen</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2008/11/30/debtwatch-no-29-december-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-13861</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Keen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Less wrong than the neoclassical hmt,

But despite their proper position that a capitalist economy is never in equilibrium, and that a market economy is the best way to handle incomplete information, etc., they also seem to contradict this with the belief that the economy is never far from equilibrium either, and that somehow isolated individuals can anticipate the collective outcome of other individual behaviours (such as one private bank printing too much money) and therefore avoid crises...

The best outcome of the Austrian approach was Schumpeter&#039;s analysis of the trade cycle, and that is something that is a core position of Evolutionary Economists (such as Nelson and Winter, Anderson, etc.). But most self-declared Austrians reject Schumpeter.

So I see it as a somewhat schizophrenic and internally contradictory school of thought. There have been lots of discussions of Austrian economics on this blog--with Anarcho being a regular very well informed critic--so if you search on those terms you&#039;ll see what my perspective is on the Austrian school, and that of most bloggers here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Less wrong than the neoclassical hmt,</p>
<p>But despite their proper position that a capitalist economy is never in equilibrium, and that a market economy is the best way to handle incomplete information, etc., they also seem to contradict this with the belief that the economy is never far from equilibrium either, and that somehow isolated individuals can anticipate the collective outcome of other individual behaviours (such as one private bank printing too much money) and therefore avoid crises&#8230;</p>
<p>The best outcome of the Austrian approach was Schumpeter&#8217;s analysis of the trade cycle, and that is something that is a core position of Evolutionary Economists (such as Nelson and Winter, Anderson, etc.). But most self-declared Austrians reject Schumpeter.</p>
<p>So I see it as a somewhat schizophrenic and internally contradictory school of thought. There have been lots of discussions of Austrian economics on this blog&#8211;with Anarcho being a regular very well informed critic&#8211;so if you search on those terms you&#8217;ll see what my perspective is on the Austrian school, and that of most bloggers here.</p>
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		<title>By: hmt</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2008/11/30/debtwatch-no-29-december-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-13854</link>
		<dc:creator>hmt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s your opinion about the Austrian Economic School (Ludwig von Mises) ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s your opinion about the Austrian Economic School (Ludwig von Mises) ?</p>
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		<title>By: An interesting challenge &#124; Steve Keen's Debtwatch</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2008/11/30/debtwatch-no-29-december-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-7358</link>
		<dc:creator>An interesting challenge &#124; Steve Keen's Debtwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 22:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that standard economic models aren&#8217;t genuinely dynamic, please read this blog post &#8220;Why Did I See it Coming and “They” Didn’t?&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that standard economic models aren&#8217;t genuinely dynamic, please read this blog post &#8220;Why Did I See it Coming and “They” Didn’t?&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Contrarian Investors’ Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Soft landing hope built on faulty framework assumptions</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2008/11/30/debtwatch-no-29-december-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-6639</link>
		<dc:creator>Contrarian Investors’ Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Soft landing hope built on faulty framework assumptions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 03:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so tame and mild? As Professor Steve Keen criticised their neo-classical economic thinking here, This is not a prediction by the model as such, but a product of its structure, which assumes that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] so tame and mild? As Professor Steve Keen criticised their neo-classical economic thinking here, This is not a prediction by the model as such, but a product of its structure, which assumes that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Soft landing hope built on faulty framework assumptions &#124; OurFinanceBlogs.com - Australian Finance Blogging Community</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2008/11/30/debtwatch-no-29-december-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-6637</link>
		<dc:creator>Soft landing hope built on faulty framework assumptions &#124; OurFinanceBlogs.com - Australian Finance Blogging Community</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 23:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so tame and mild? As Professor Steve Keen criticised their neo-classical economic thinking here, This is not a prediction by the model as such, but a product of its structure, which assumes that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] so tame and mild? As Professor Steve Keen criticised their neo-classical economic thinking here, This is not a prediction by the model as such, but a product of its structure, which assumes that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BrightSpark1</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrightSpark1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David J

What I noticed here was that although the absolute levels of debt were quite different at these times (c1890,c1930,c2008) the rates of increase in debt were almost the same. This indicates to me that rate of increase had more influence on the control loop than the absolute level. The time lag that you mention places the increase rates even closer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David J</p>
<p>What I noticed here was that although the absolute levels of debt were quite different at these times (c1890,c1930,c2008) the rates of increase in debt were almost the same. This indicates to me that rate of increase had more influence on the control loop than the absolute level. The time lag that you mention places the increase rates even closer.</p>
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		<title>By: David J</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2008/11/30/debtwatch-no-29-december-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-6268</link>
		<dc:creator>David J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve,

Perhaps this is included, but is it also as asset prices gain over savings (to start, diluted by expanding debt) this creates a real and relative urgency to buy assets, particularly when the asset is a need, like a family home (i.e. “don’t miss the boat”, “get in before it’s too late”, “prices are only going to go higher” and so on)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,</p>
<p>Perhaps this is included, but is it also as asset prices gain over savings (to start, diluted by expanding debt) this creates a real and relative urgency to buy assets, particularly when the asset is a need, like a family home (i.e. “don’t miss the boat”, “get in before it’s too late”, “prices are only going to go higher” and so on)?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Keen</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2008/11/30/debtwatch-no-29-december-2008/comment-page-2/#comment-6267</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Keen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ken,

That&#039;s aligned to Minsky&#039;s thinking, but the exponential growth in debt in my Minsky model is more about the willingness to take on debt because of both perceived asset price gains and perceived real production profits. If those don&#039;t exist, then even an interest rate of zero won&#039;t entice borrowing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ken,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s aligned to Minsky&#8217;s thinking, but the exponential growth in debt in my Minsky model is more about the willingness to take on debt because of both perceived asset price gains and perceived real production profits. If those don&#8217;t exist, then even an interest rate of zero won&#8217;t entice borrowing.</p>
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