This blog entry first appeared as a feature in the Daily Telegraph on Wednesday April 9th 2008. If you’re a newcomer to it courtesy of that feature, and you want to look at this issue in more depth, there are links below to more detailed analysis.
The Daily Telegraph lived up to its nickname of “The Daily Terror” last week, with a frontpage attack on Reserve Bank of Australia Governor Glenn Stevens entitled “Is he Australia’s most useless?“, and an editorial that was no less provocative: “RBA boss is losing interest“.
It would be easy to criticise the Telegraph’s comments on the technicalities, many of which they got wrong (I’ll outline some of those below). But what I saw behind the comments was a sense of frustration that, I believe, is justified.
Why? Because over a decade ago, our Government ceded control of monetary policy to the RBA, in keeping with a worldwide belief that “Central Bank Independence” would result in better monetary policy. We were told that if we took monetary policy out of the hands of the politicians, and handed it over to the experts, the financial system would work a lot better.
If that’s the case, then something has gone terribly wrong. Far from giving us stability, the period of Central Bank Independence has ushered in an unprecedented financial crisis, and extreme financial hardship for many ordinary working families (to use a Kevinism).
This is what motivated the Telegraph’s ire—especially since Stevens’s testimony appeared to downplay both the seriousness of the crisis, and the damage that a dysfunctional financial system has done, and is doing, to the rest of society.
Stevens’s testimony emphasised the RBA’s role in fighting inflation above all else. But the broad job description of Central Banks is to ensure the soundness of the financial system, and on that Central Banks worldwide have clearly failed.
Think about it. If this policy had been successful, then the Daily Telegraph’s spray wouldn’t have happened, because finance would have been on the boring back pages of the paper.
So how did Central Banks get it so wrong?
Largely because they followed accepted economic theory about what their role should be. At the time Central Banks were allowed to set monetary policy independently of governments, the conventional economic wisdom was that they should:
- ignore stock and housing markets;
- forget about trying to control the money supply;
- deregulate the financial system to make it more efficient; and
- just use short term interest rates to control inflation.
If their success is measured solely on the front of controlling inflation, then the RBA has met its target of keeping inflation in the range of 2-3 percent over the medium term. The average value from 1996 till now is smack in the middle of this range.
However, while the part of the system that Central Banks have focused on has done pretty well, the rest has gone to hell in a handbasket.
The finance markets were overtaken by alchemists who promised to turn lead into gold—or subprime mortgages into AAA secure bonds. Instead, they delivered lead aplenty to borrowers and investors, and absconded with the gold themselves. Debt reached levels that have never occurred before in human history. Asset prices reached unsustainable (and for housing, unaffordable) levels, and are now crashing, and taking peoples’ housing and livelihoods with them.
It’s worth getting a handle on just how badly the period of Central Bank Independence has gone wrong—and not only in Australia.
The Great Depression began with private debt levels in the USA equal to one and a half times its GDP, and then deflation—falling prices—and falling output drove it up to 215 percent by 1932. Today, US debt is 280 percent of GDP.
Australia peaked at 77 percent of GDP in 1932; we’re already at 165 percent—when the RBA appears to think everything is functioning well. And another 14 major OECD countries are in the same pickle (the only major exception is France).
Asset prices are also simply crazy.
The best measure here is to compare them with the consumer price index, and on that basis US house prices bubbled from 12 percent above the long term trend, to 120 percent above it in the first ten years of Greenspan’s independence.
Our housing price bubble was even worse than that, and though it has not yet started to deflate as has America’s—where prices have fallen 16% in real terms in the last two year—ultimately it must.
If politicians had been responsible for a policy mess like this, the press would have had their guts for garters—and rightly so. But since the so-called experts are in control, they can’t be held to account—and hence the Telegraph’s frustration, which boiled over last week.
In fact, economists aren’t experts about the economy in the same fashion that physicists are about nuclear energy. As George Soros argued recently in the Financial Times, the approach Central Banks have been following has clearly failed, and it’s time we gave a new approach a try—one that doesn’t subscribe to the myth that the best market is a deregulated one.
The errors in the Daily Telegraph’s article
The RBA’s job isn’t to tell banks what to charge on mortgages. The one rate they have control over is the inter-bank rate, which is used when one bank has to pay interest to another when their accounts don’t balance. That sets the floor for short term rates–and the RBA supplies as much liquidity as it needs to make sure this rate applies.
Then banks set their own longer term rate in accordance with this base rate and market conditions. In the recent past, competitive pressure from non-bank lenders made the gap between the (short) RBA interest rate and (long) mortgage rates the lowest they’d ever been–but much of that reflects what is now euphemistically called “a mis-pricing of risk”.
The dilemma for the bank is that the credit crunch has caused this once narrow gap between short term and long term rates to balloon–and there’s literally nothing they can do about it. In one sense, it helps keep banks solvent–since they make money from the spread between short and long term interest rates–but it makes the RBA even less able to influence mortgage rates.
The Commonwealth Bank also didn’t increase its rates just because of Stevens’s speech. They would have done their calculations about their increased cost of funding courtesy of the credit crunch, and how much this was costing them, well before the speech. Maybe it did however make them think that “now’s the time” to move on it.
The real issue, as I outline above, is that the era of Central Bank Independence hasn’t “taken finance off the front pages”, but made it front and centre with the biggest financial crisis in world history.
Further reading
- This blog. I started it one and a half years ago, when I concluded that a serious debt-driven financial crisis was inevitable, and someone had to raise the alarm about the possibility of one happening. Here you will find:
- The Debtwatch Report (21 to date) which come out just before the RBA meets each month to set rates, and takes a topical look at economics and the rate decision in particular;
- Academic papers that focus on the topics of debt deflation and the monetary system;
- A Podcast recorded after each DebtWatch report by Stuart Cameron of Rife Media
- My report And Deeper in Debt published by the Centre for Policy Development last September.
- Debunking Economics, a website that supports my book of the same name, and stores my lectures on economics and finance at the University of Western Sydney.
- The most relevant lectures to explain the approach I take to finance are those on Financial Economics
- The most accessible lectures on my non-orthodox approach to economics in general are those on Managerial Economics
- Blogs by other commentators whom I believe have a handle on what has happened. For a decade or more, these writers have been “contrarians”, railing against the stupidity of Wall Street and accommodative Central Banks while the rest of the pundits applauded such financial innovations as … subprime loans:
- Doug Noland and the Credit Bubble Bulletin for the Prudent Bear mutual fund;
- iTulip, a website first set up by Eric Janszen to critique and satirise the Internet Bubble, and revived when the US housing bubble supplanted it. Eric frequently interviews academic and industry specialists; check out in particular:
- Interview with Michael Hudson and his analysis of what he terms the “FIRE Economy”–Finance, Insurance and Real Estate
- My interview on the Financial Instability Hypothesis
- Robert Shiller’s excellent empirical analysis. Robert coined the phrase “irrational exuberance” that was later made famous by a speech by Alan Greenspan–who unfortunately understood the issues there about as well as Donald Rumsfeld understood Iraq.
- Shiller maintains a historical database on finance, with freely downloadable data
- The US Housing Crash Blog
- Global House Price Crash Blog
- Housing Affordability Blog
- Lest it be thought that I’m a critic of everything the RBA does:
- Most of my Australian data comes straight from the RBA Bulletin Statistical Tables
- The RBA Conference on Asset Prices and Monetary Stability has some excellent papers. I only wish that the orientation set in this conference had guided subsequent RBA policy.
- This RBA paper comparing the Great Depression to the 1890s Depression is one of the most informative historical analyses I’ve ever read
- Ditto for the US Federal Reserve. While I believe that the “Greenspan Put” has encouraged “moral hazard” behaviour that has made this the worst financial bubble ever, the Fed has also been a bastion of free and accessible data. My US data largely comes from its Flow of Funds report.






April 9th, 2008 at 9:40 am
First of all, thank you so much for DebtWatch! I have been searching for a long time for figures and charts putting Australia’s debt situation clearly. Your publications are a godsend.
I’m not an economist (I’m a humble Engineer), but I’ve seen this coming for 6+ years now. It’s so obvious once you scratch about a millimetre under the surface.
I’d like to add that I find a lot of value in the social mood models for this whole unfolding debacle. None of this could have happened without a broad positive shift in social mood towards euphoria.
This same euphoric social mood pervaded/pervaded all *people* – including politicians (reduced regulation, pro-privatisation) and regulators (reserve banks, commercial banks – reduced lending controls, increased appetite for risk and leverage). My father remembers when the proposal to allow hire-purchase of goods was a hotly disputed topic! Now we have BANKS leveraged 30 to 1 as a NORM!!!!
The lending schemes and leveraged buyouts and whatnot would never have had a chance of getting up in post-depression/recession times.
What I also like about this model is that it (properly) apportions a fair amount of responsibility back on the citizenry for the whole debacle, because ultimately (even though most people seem to have forgotten this fact) the citizenry is the ultimate power, and if they don’t like something they have the power to vote/demonstrate/strike to make change happen. But an unwise citizenry will be taking one foot out of it’s mouth only to insert the other. Lets hope our wisdom quotient in Australia is high enough…. I can’t help wondering, though….
April 9th, 2008 at 10:17 am
NO need to feel humble as an engineer johnboy,
I actually have a lot more respect for engineers than I have for (most) economists–and that applies even when engineers are commenting on economics.
Economists in general are trained to model the economy as if it is always in equilibrium. And most of them never learn squat about dynamics–no differential equations, no stability analysis, they wouldn’t know an eigenvalue if they got mugged by one.
All that dynamics training is ground floor stuff for an engineer, so you’re more likely to have a better handle on the economy than most economists.
As for an economist you would have some respect for, check my Minsky post (and articles on Minsky). He does talk about how social norms change over time, the conservatism after a Depression and the gradual shift to euphoria as tranquil times cause attitudes to change.
April 9th, 2008 at 11:56 am
A bit off-topic, but I thought it worth repeating here. This is from one of Australia’s biggest property investment forums:
“First I thought about just renting our PPOR when we move, then I noticed lots of people asking for Rent to Own.
It will be a couple of months away, but thought I’d just test the water. I couldn’t believe the response. I’ve had 22 enquiries in the last 2 days!!
I picked a number that I figured no one would pay for the purchase price and added 25% more to the rent price and most are not blinking an eye.
Now I’m wondering if my purchase price is too low.
Do I pick a tenant who I think will default so I can keep their option money and then raise the asking price next time? Or take all the enquiries and tell them they are great candidates and ask them to submit their best offer?”
http://www.somersoft.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40964
Nice huh? You can’t get more subprime than deliberately targeting people who will default, so as to make a quick buck.
April 9th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
The fundamental difference between engineers and economists is that when something an engineer looks after goes wrong then it is considered that either the engineer has made an error or the methodology is wrong. When economists break the economy it is an aberration and there is no need to consider what caused it.
As to the independence of the reserve bank, I wonder how long it would have lasted if their actions had become politically unfavourable. In any of these supposedly independent organisations, the government can maintain whatever culture they want as they have a say in senior appointments.
April 9th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Hi!
Here is some of our thoughts based on the Austrian School of economic thought…
Yes, we agree with Steve Keen that Central Bank is the source of instability. In fact, Central Banks are the source of the dreaded business cycle.
However, the Daily Telegraph article seems to imply that it would be better if politicians control monetary policy.
Well, having a misguided but independent Central Bank is bad enough. But letting government (i.e. politicians) control the Central Bank is worse! The reason is because by doing so, power is even more concentrated on the government (our article, Recipe for hyperinflation has a more detailed explanation for those who are interested). Therefore, letting the government (read: politicians) control the Central Bank is a VERY bad idea!
Therefore, it is either we learn to live with an independent Central Bank (it can be argued that there is no such thing as a perfectly independent Central Bank) or we abolish the Central Bank. Keep the pollies’ hands as far as possible from a Central Bank!
April 9th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Steve,
Thanks for the tip about Minsky. I’ve read a lot about him, but not his stuff directly. Will have to look into it further.
Another thing regarding the stability of the Australian banking system: the Aussie banks are quick to comment that the Aussie banks are on better foundations than the US banks, primarily because of tougher regulatory requirements and less involvement in CDOs, SIVs, etc. I don’t necessarily believe them, but thats another story. But no one seems to be giving much thought to the effect reducing asset (real estate) values would have on the Aussie banking system.
From looking at the annual reports of the Aussie banks I see that, on average, roughly about 96% of the typical Aussie banks assets are tied up in loans (mostly property).
With banks running on such slim cash reserves, even a small CDO or SIV commitment gone bad could wreak havoc on a banks solvency. But then throw into the mix the prospect of falling property values and then then you’ve got serious potential for a pretty serious solvency challenge for basically *any* of the banks.
Am I barking up the wrong tree here?
April 10th, 2008 at 8:09 am
johnboy,
Capital reserves are much higher than 4%. The Tier 1 which I assume is mostly cash or equivalent is about 7%.
See http://www.rba.gov.au/PublicationsAndResearch/FinancialStabilityReview/Mar2008/Pdf/financial_stability_review_0308.pdf p30 This document has a lot of other interesting reading.
As long as things don’t get too bad the banks can simply raise capital by issuing shares. See
http://business.smh.com.au/st-george-vs-the-rock/20080409-24wb.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap2
Probably the banks in Australia have the better loans in house, and have wholesaled the rest to super funds.
April 10th, 2008 at 8:43 am
There is a certain Central Bank in the USA that makes me quite ill. Latest murmerings about what they are now thinking of doing in the face of impending ponzi doom are here:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120768896446099091.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Quite frankly, I am now eying the RBA with suspicion too. It’s only a matter of time before things get worse than they already are in Aus, and we see some RBA hanky panky.
April 10th, 2008 at 9:24 am
There is a lot of criticism levelled at central banks here, but surely it is the political overlay which has ’caused’ the problem.
I write ’caused’ because obviously there is a multitude of factors at play, but for de-regulated financial systems, reliance on free market assumptions, the incentive to invest in unproductive assets – surely it is the policy framework to blame.
This makes the Tele’s criticisms all the more difficult to swallow because they wouldn’t come out and bash Howard for being an economic ideologue and at the heart of the mess Australia is about to walk in to.
I think to suggest it is economic ideology which is the problem is slightly disengenious because at the end of the day, the economic ideology was developed to serve a political agenda – or maybe more accurately, the economic ideology of free markets was allowed to prosper over competing points of view because it suited our political masters
April 10th, 2008 at 9:29 am
Ken:
You may be correct about the 7% Tier 1. I made my calculations based on cash and what I regard as liquid equivalents (which may be different from the official definition). listed in their Annuual Report balance sheets. I got:
St George: 12.4%
Bendigo: 1.5%
Commonwealth: 2.4%
These figures are also inherently out of date as they were based on FY0607 data mostly.
But keep in mind that Engineers like me have a trait of looking over numbers too quickly sometimes….
Zoo:
The RBA has already significantly loosened it’s lending standards. It now accepts (AAA rated, whatever faith you put in ratings) mortgage paper.
See here: http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Conversations/Banks_raise_rates_BL8FG?OpenDocument
Cheers
April 10th, 2008 at 9:33 am
More thoughts on what I just posted.
1. The RBA doesn’t voluntarily lower it’s lending standards. It must have been asked/begged to by the banks.
2. If the Aussie banks are averaging 7% of Tier 1, why would they need to ask/beg the RBA in the first place? Is it because some of the stuff classified as Tier 1 isn’t quite so easily liquefied as we might think?
I wonder…
April 10th, 2008 at 10:14 am
Hyperproductive:
I think you make a valid point.
One thing that keeps swimming around in my mind though is that a credit boom (debt expansion) requires a willing lender AND a willing borrower.
I can’t help but wonder whether or not the majority of the responsibility really lies at the feet of the citizenry (you and I, and everyone else).
A euphoric social mood has a tendency to throw caution to the wind, have unreasonable expectations about what a person deserves/has a ‘right’ to (e.g. ‘owning’ their own home) etc. etc. This applies to both sides of the transaction.
Having said all that, having wise legal/regulatory boundaries to keep the least intellectually gifted sheep in the flock from straying too far can only help. A weakening educational system can’t be helping here either.
Who do we blame for ‘caveat emptor’ being largely forgotten, or at least being considered an antique of past/lower civilisations? Probably ourselves.
Your way of expressing things and mine come to a junction anyway when we realise that WE are the stupid idiots who let our government run riot, have no respect or appropriate fear of the voting/demonstrating public and generally do whatever the hell they want between elections. One could even argue that the reduction in diversity of political views between parties over the last 30+ years is a result of general euphoria.
April 10th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Fair enough Johnboy, although as a young renter and having never borrowed money, I am refusing to accept responsibility for our collective idiocy, at least for the borrowing bit!
I agree, ‘we’ must accept a portion of blame, not only for being the borrowers but for electing the governments we have and for not taking political action. I guess its symptomatic of decreasing engagement with our democracy as a whole.
I think we should be aiming up politicians, big time and particularly the generations that have let this happen (through their borrowing and their votes).
As a Gen Y (i’m 26), its hard not to get frustrated and apathetic. We have been educated and shaped by a world we have had no control over and as soon as we can think and act for ourselves, we realise we’ve been sold out. We leave uni with big debts, get no job security, can’t afford a house thats anywhere near where decent jobs are, are getting lumped with climate change, food shortages, peak oil…
I know this sounds like a big whinge… I guess my point is its hard for people like me to take responsibility for this stuff. I think I have an opportunity to address and solve a lot of these issues, and I’m happy to take that on. But in terms of culpability? No thanks, I’m waiting for the apologies to roll in from everyone over 40.
April 10th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Hyperproductive, I would suggest not getting too political. Everything that has happened has also been approved by so many economists it must be OK. All Howard did was stick with Keating’s policies, who you might remember massively deregulated our economy, allowing for even greater creation of debt. Not to mention that Labor for most of the last 11 years has been pushing the line that tax was too high, when the Federal government was the only people in Australia actually saving anything. Changes to depreciation hasn’t helped but the Labor states adoption of public privates hasn’t either. If the government had restricted things like 100% mortgages it would have been seen as restricting the opportunity of low income-earners to take part in the housing boom.
Most of this seems to result from two parties attempting to obtain votes from a group of voter’s who believe in a free lunch, and will vote for whoever will give it to them, while all the true believer’s are simply concerned about winning or losing, not about the consequences of the policies that get the win.
April 10th, 2008 at 11:25 am
Hyperproductive:
Mate, I’m not far ahead of you (I’m 34, that makes me a Gen X I think) and I appreciate the fact that you see that all this ‘economic growth’ that has been the buzzword of the past few decades has not amounted to much, and likely will end up being recognised as a complete lie. More and more people will wake up to this as more sh*t starts hitting the fan.
I just hope we don’t exchange one form of stupidity for another as people start to rise up against the lack of wisdom of the current leadership. I say let’s rally for conservative fiscal management at all levels, ’small footprint’ lifestyles, and an end to the notion that getting rich is all that important. Furthermore, lets get out on the streets (peacefully) and instill the necessary levels of fear in the hearts of the politicians in order to keep them sufficiently in-line with the wishes of the citizenry, listening to the real needs of the community, and acting responsibility. A return to good old fashioned rule of the people.
What a great day it will be to see the people out on the street, on strike, not moving until the politicians change course on some big issue. The balance of power will be restored much closer to its right position.
But are we well educated and wise enough to know what to demand anymore? Ken is right: so many people think they deserve a free lunch. No one remembers what life is like before credit. Very few people have studied what life was really like when times were tougher, except through gilded images on movie screens.
Conspiracy theories abound these days, but from what I see all around me, they are mostly rubbish. It seems obvious to me that we are seeing is a result of a fairly simple (and random) mix of greed/selfishness and stupidity/unwisdom playing itself out in all its ugly glory.
Can we, the future leaders, be more wise and less stupid, more generous and less greedy/selfish? That is the 100 trillion dollar question.
Are you really powerless? In the sense that you can’t step into the prime ministership right now and steer the whole country – of course you are powerless. In the sense that, if it mattered enough to you, you could organise and mobilise a group of people to call for and demand change – of course you’re NOT powerless. I look forward to that day, and hope it turns out for the best.
April 10th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Good point Ken, I shouldn’t have singled out any one political element.
johnboy, I agree with all your saying and I like your sense of adventure. I can’t say political activism is a strong suit of mine and wouldn’t have a clue how to put something like a mass rally together, but I’m always happy to get on board a cause I understand and support.
April 10th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Hi Johnboy!
May we ask what exactly is your cause?
April 10th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Contrarian Investor:
My cause?…. Hmmm… how to sum it up? I used to be a rabid liberal-party conservative, and now I’m some kind of messed up soul with conservative financial views, pro-welfare to the needy, pro-sustainability hodge-podge of ideologies.
Financially:
1. Fiscal restraint and conservatism.
2. Narrowing the definition of a “bank”, to something that more resembles the banks of old as secure stores of liquid assets rather than the current form, which is usually some kind of over-the-counter retail mortgage investment vehicle.
3. Setting up an environment to encourage increased personal and corporate savings (it’s more or less disappeared, to the country’s detriment).
4. Tougher regulations on lending practices bordering on the usurious (is that a word?), particularly high-interest lending to the lower socio-economic groups.
Less financial stuff:
1. Revamp the education system so that it is less geared towards fashioning future employees and is broadened to ‘life education’, with openness to a broad range of competing views and ideologies. I know that’s vague, but I hope you get my drift.
2. Encourage increased involvement in the Arts. This area, which is often the source of necessary dissent and competing ideas, has been greatly sterilised over the past 20 years, and we’re all suffering for it.
3. Reduce the standard number of hours in the working week. Not just on paper, but really, so that all workers (not just blue collar) get real access to that option if they so choose. I sense that people are financially struggling so much now that they don’t feel they have the time to do much else (including protest).
4. Ban political party contributions and all avenues for rich individuals or businesses to distort the democratic process.
5. Tough review of the two-party system (it’s hardly even two parties anymore).
6. Minimalist government.
7. Government that works with a clearer understanding and fear of the fact that it is at all times subordinate to and serving the people. This can be advanced in part by improving transparency and oversight.
8. Free markets, which will only work when the citizenry understands it’s rights and responsibilities in the free market (caveat emptor).
9. Breaking up our ridiculously concentrated media ownership. Revival of the media as ‘fourth estate’.
10. I’m against ‘free trade’ as it is currently practiced. It was a nice idea but totally unworkable and exploited by mega-corps. Tarriff and other barriers are not evil if employed wisely. Free trade is turning Australia into a big open cut mine with a dependence on imported finished products. That is unsustainable.
And last (but not least), be open to changing any of the above, based on sound and reasonable advice to the contrary from the citizenry.
I also come from the philosophical camp that asserts that human nature is inextricably joined to selfishness, and that will breed corruption if unchecked. Therefore, necessary and rigorous checks and balances (and checks on the checkers!) is essential to the proper functioning of government in the best interests of its citizens.
I’m also pro-peace and peaceful protest. Bring on the next Martin Luther King Jnr!
Caveat: I’m only an engineer and may be living in a parallel universe.
Whoa… I’ve got to get back to work….
April 10th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
johnboy,
I particularly liked how you went from lower case e to upper case in the Engineer. Good to see.
Steve, you may want to hold up on the high level maths for engineers talk. I, and many of my ilk, were horrified in second year by things such as Jacobian Transformations and the like (it was so traumatic I can’t remember any of the others), and resolved to scrape through on the exam and then purge it from memory in a barrage of beer, chips and gravy, and excited speculation about how we would use the aforementioned techniques to design holes in, and mounds on, the ground.
Professionally I have wandered into an area that claims the well regarded and honourable title of “Engineer”, yet retains the simplicity associated with multiplying three lengths to get a volume, multiplying that with a density (at the mathematical extreme), then dividing that by another number. Occasionaly we even use pi or weighted averages!
On the blog topic, my gut feel is that the economy is a large, interconnected network that is extremely complicated, and will resist the most careful attempts to push it in one direction by changing one or two variables. In order to keep up appearances, the government and quasi-governmental bodies such as the RBA, must be seen to be “controlling” things, so the simple focussing of people’s attention on only a few numbers (eg employment and inflation) helps maintain the illusion that intervention is needed. I can’t help but feel that there is starting to be a few cracks in the way we have lived our economic lives over the last little while.
Talking about RBA repo’s, how long do they usually last for, as the RBA website (http://www.rba.gov.au/MarketOperations/Domestic/open_market_operations.html) shows a very large imbalance, over a decade of many more purchases of repos by the RBA compared to the ones sold (i read this to be that the RBA has pumped a lot of money into the system when it purchases the repos). How is this imbalance sustained??
April 10th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Hi Johnboy!
That’s a very long list. But we suspect that as you think, chew, sort and contemplate them over time, you may be able to reduce them to their very essence.
We have some ideas to offer you. Maybe they would be helpful to you.
We follow the Austrian School of economic thought. Basically, it follows a liberterian, free-market ideology. The Austrian School advocate a 100% reserve competitive banking system. Currently, we have a fractional-reserve banking system. See Full-reserve banking in the Wiki for what 100% reserve banking is. In such a banking system, 100% of credit can only come from 100% of existing savings- banks would not be able to create credit out of thin air. Also, banking has to be as competitive as possible to eliminate as much as possible the incentive to cheat (i.e. secretly slip into fractional-reserve banking). Competitive banking means that those banks caught cheating runs the risk of bankruptcy.
Next, the Austrian School advocate the abolition of central banks so that the free market completely determine the price of money (interest rates).
Finally, all money has to be 100% backed by gold.
Sounds radical? Not really, it used to be that way till before the WW1, as the world was under the classical gold standard. Under such a system, we wouldn’t have the problem of idiotic borrowers gouging on cheap credit to bid up the prices of houses to such bubbly level. Since the supply of credit is strictly limited, the more they borrow, the higher the interet rates goes. Also, since banking is competitive, banks who supplies truly scarce credit recklessly to such borrowers, they have to worry about bankruptcy. Since there is no central bank, they cannot rely on anyone (except tax payers) to bail them out if they stuff up big time. You can imagine how unpopular it will be if tax-payers have to bail out the banks.
Under a 100% reserve competitive banking system where 100% of money is backed by 100% of gold, the government will be fully dependent on the people for any financing. This will reduce the power of the government (assuming that other democratic institutions are functioning properly).
April 10th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Oops, the URL for Full Reserve Banking in the Wiki is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-reserve_banking
April 10th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Contrarian:
Yes, I’m familiar with the gold standard and full reserve banking. I’m a believer in the approach. I don’t regard it as ‘radical’ at all. Hopefully more people won’t find it radical either.
And yes, I tend to be a bit wordy. That probably rules me out as the guy with the megaphone at the rallies. I’ll have to work on my sound-bite skills
And now for a timely question: Is there a REAL Australian bank out there at the moment (that is, not one that has committed most of it’s depositors money into real estate and business loans). One that will actually safely store my cash in some liquid form?
The only bank I know of with this approach is SafeWealth in Switzerland. Anything local?
Cheers
April 10th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Johnboy:
You may want to try and find them among the Islamic banks.
April 10th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Contrarian:
Thanks for the tip!
April 10th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Hiya Johnboy,
Yep, I read the RBA were into accepting “AAA”. That in itself tells you that Aussie banks are probably already insolvent and the egg timer is ticking (will it eventually be NAB or ANZ that falls over first and dips into the taxpayer purse?) Who rated those mortgages “AAA” Anyway? Would that be the same Fitch, Moodies and S&P that rated garbage… er I mean “CDOs” from the USA as “AAA”?
The WSJ article I referenced stated:
April 10th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Oops, forgot to turn off my quotes above. Second bit is just my rant.
Since I am double posting anyway, the following is Professor Nouriel Roubini’s blog from yesterday. If he’s telling Canadians that commodity prices are going to slide by 20-30%, then Australia had better take notice:
April 10th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Dear Steve
As a long term admirer of you I was really disappointed to see you offering support for this article in the Daily Telegraph.
I have no real issue with your critique of the RBA, but why pick out this article in such a poor publication as a forum? The article was a personal attack of a bureaucrat who probably tries as hard as you do to get things right given the tools he has including the encumbrance of government policy.
The Telegraph context is essentially reactionary and anti-intellectual. The environment of your remarks drowns any good effect you might have tried to achieve with your considered thoughts.
April 10th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Technically they are illiquid, meaning that they can’t convert their assets into cash. They are solvent because the theoretical value of the assets is still sufficient to cover their liabilities. Of course the theoretical value might be a little optimistic, which may be one reason that nobody wants to buy them. The other reason may be that everyone is a bit scared. I think the solution of the various reserve banks is to do swaps for saleable securities but requiring a swap back in the future, at which time there might be a few problems.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:00 am
Hiya Ken,
If the banks can’t find buyers, then the “asset” has a big fat market value of zero. That’s reality, not theory.
Theoretically, housing prices were supposed to go to the moon and everyone in Oz could afford any amount of debt, but that’s not reality, and that’s what got us to this current point of debt crisis. So theoretically, I guess the banks can say whatever they like about their “assets”, but the reality is that they have solvency issues, not liquidity issues. The egg timer is still ticking.
April 11th, 2008 at 9:11 am
Ken/Zoo,
I think what we’re seeing here is, at least in part, the inability (or unwillingness) of many real estate asset holders to grasp or comprehend that what they believe is an ‘always appreciating’ bricks-and-mortar perpetual motion machine might, quite possibly, be nothing of the sort. Deflating prices simply can’t be happening, therefore I’ll hold out/hold up until reality realigns itself with my wishes.
That thread will break at some point, probably the ‘max pain’ point.
From my analysis of history this kind of psychological disconnect seems to be very common in the early stages of an asset deflation.
In Australia’s case, Steve’s charts show quite clearly that the rate of debt expansion is not yet decelerating in Aus as much as the USA, so no wonder house prices are still holding up because the ‘artificial’ demand is still there.
April 11th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Thanks everyone for so many interesting comments. Much of the discussion I can’t really improve upon, but there are a few points I need to address.
I’ll start with Greg’s criticism for my article in the Daily Telegraph.
Firstly Greg, I will defend writing in the Daily Tele–and almost any medium short of a Klu Klux rag. For the last 30 years, the perspective that I have on economics couldn’t get a run anywhere outside a limited range of non-orthodox academic journals. Now, because policies inspired by the dominant school of economics have contributed to an economic catastrophe, I can get an audience virtually anywhere.
I am seizing that opportunity while it exists, because a major factor in causing a re-orientation of economic thought is getting widespread support for that new orientation, from far more than just professional economists. As I wrote in Debunking Economics, economics is too important to just leave it to the economists.
A major reason why Keynes had the success he did–though in the long run his ideas were killed, to coin a phrase–was because he had established a public presence via his pamphlets (in particular “The economic consequences of the Peace”) and public commentary.
That process began for Keynes in 1919, almost two decades before he published The General Theory, and he could pick and choose where his ideas were published. I don’t have quite so much time, so I am willing to cast my net a bit wider.
There is also an issue of whether one should restrict one’s views to only an elite audience. Yes the Daily Tele is a tabloid, and a lot of its coverage and manner I object to; but it sells over 300,000 copies each day, and mainly in Western Sydney.
Its readership base is the core of the current debt implosion, and the group that largely gave Howard political ascendancy (remember “Howard’s battlers”?). If I ignore them, via ignoring a major news outlet that reaches a substantial proportion of them, then what ideas might guide them should economic conditions turn really ugly, and at their direct expense?
So I think that I–and, for example, other intellectuals who are experts on global warming, peak oil, and all manner of other issues that the Daily Telegraph may on occasions take a “reactionary” stand on–to engage with it and its audience when the opportunity presents. If we don’t, and if, on these issues, intellectuals (or some of them anyway) are right–as in “right vs wrong” rather than the political dimension “right vs left”–then it’s a mistake not to engage with the Daily Telegraph and its audience when the opportunity arises.
Then there’s the issue of the original Telegraph story itself, and it’s effectively personal attack on Stevens. That was juvenile. But so too was the child who said loudly “But Mum, the Emperor is naked!”.
In other words, though the expression was intemperate, the insight was valid: here is someone that we are told we cannot criticise, but from where we stand, he has things badly wrong.
So I feel for Glenn Steven in being lambasted that way in public–it’s not nice, and I fully agree with you that he is sincere in what he is trying to do. Also, I agree he is encumbered by government policy; though the RBA has a free rein on matters monetary, they make their decisions in an economic context that is dramatically affected by fiscal and institutional policy too.
But someone has to break with the crowd that won’t criticise the Guv’nor because of royalty an’ all that, and unfortunately it’s more likely to be someone from the rougher end of town who does it first. I knew they’d be lambasted for the personal nature of the attack (and quite rightly too), and for criticising the policies–and here, wrongly. So I started to write a blog on the topic, and then the Tele contacted me to ask me to write a feature–so the blog entry became a feature as well.
So I appreciate your disappointment, and like you I wish that all public discourse, and indeed all of the public, was considered and intellectually informed. But since that’s an imagined world, one has to work out how to engage with the real one. I tried to do so, not by cheering on the personal side of what the Tele said about Stevens, nor supporting them on the arguments they made that were clearly wrong, but by pointing out where the essential cause of their frustration was correct.
April 11th, 2008 at 11:03 am
Steve,
I’d be very interested in your comments regarding ANZ’s economists, who say Australian housing is in a super-cycle and that supply and demand issues mean prices simply cannot fall:-
http://fnarena.com/fnarena.com/index2.cfm?type=dsp_newsitem&n=3680A01D-1871-E587-E1E2426238AEA28A
April 11th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Zoo, the accountants don’t see it that way and the securities don’t have zero value, they just have less than the banks would like. In no other area of business would asset values be based on firesale conditions.
In Australia it doesn’t seem to have been an insolvency issue anyway, more a case that if the Reserve Bank didn’t do something about the liquidity our banking systems would be a lot more constrained. If banks refuse to lend each other money against the securities then each bank would need to more closely balance it’s own liquidity. This would cause a certain amount of rigidity to the financial system and constrain debt leading to a crash. Steve, is that a reasonable interpretation ?
On the Reserve Banks problems, it is almost a corollary of Minsky’s law that deregulation will be very popular on the up side and will be unpopular on the downside. Most likely outcome is increasing micromanagement of the financial system as the government attempts to make itself more popular by fixing “defects”.
May 25th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Steve,
Regarding my previous post.
When I look at the data, in 1970 the Case Shiller Index and the Nigel Stapleton Index were both roughly 100 and the AUD/USD Fx rate was roughly $1.50. The divergence is almost exactly the decline in the AUD/USD at purchase power parity. If the Case Shiller ‘mean reverts’ to 100 and the Stapleton Index is still 300 it would seem to imply the AUD/USD purchase power parity exchange rate should be roughly $0.50. The alternatives would be some combination of changes in both the Australian house price and the AUD/USD ppp Fx rate.
Presently the median Australian wage is $58K and with an AUD/USD market Fx rate near on parity (1:1) the US median wage is $43K. We are being priced out of our own jobs to pay for our houses vs the USA as we speak.
Does this make economic sence (I’m not an economist)
Peter
May 26th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Dear Peter,
I think those metrics do make sense. Ultimately you’re looking for imbalances, and they are certainly there. What’s more likely as a correction though is that our house prices will start to fall–though not as rapidly as the USA’s–so that Stapledon’s index will drop too. That will counteract where the Aus/USA dollar relation might go, and gives some idea too of how long the imbalances are likely to persist.
May 26th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Steve
Well that’s not going to be very good.
We are essentially saying house prices reflect the relative purchase power of a wage earner in nominal dollars in that wage earners country.
1. If you agree that the Case Shiller will regress to it’s 100 year mean of 100 over the next 5 years (that also seems to be what the FED, IMF & market think)
2. The AUD/USD exchange rate is roughly 1:1 i.e. parity and stays around that level
3. The Stapleton index must ultimately fall 50% and it will likely begin its fall very soon.
Peter
May 29th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Steve
Your ideas are most refreshing. As an Engineer (Electrical) I appreciate the comments you make about control theory and wonder why the pseudo science of economics is so primitive. If engineers understood control as well as the average economist we would not even build a controllable aircraft let alone land a craft on Mars.
What I am most concerned about is the Current Account which has been which has been in deficit continuously since July 1973. Is this not the most significant source of internal credit? As I understand it, this is covered by asset sales and borrowings (by the banks), and that this debt is passed on to consumers who have bid up the price of everything, is this correct?
What happens when we run out of people capable of paying the interest on this “private” debt as it undergoes “growth”?
Has this debt resulted in both the no doc/sub prime problem and the current oil price rise?
Australia is now so technologically dumbed down that is will take a generation to be able to actually balance the Current Account.
May 29th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Hi Brightspark (a good nickname!),
Yes, the state of knowledge of dynamic systems in economics is truly appalling.
The CAD is certainly part of the story behind the growth in NoDoc/subprimes, though not the whole story. In a nutshell, I argue that all monetary systems have an endogenous capacity to expand indefinitely, but if that is allowed to happen, one impact will be a debt-driven capacity (for a while) to purchase imports.
So rather than seeing the CAD as a reflection of the gap between Exports and Imports–the conventional economic interpretation–I see the CAD as fuelling our excess of Imports over Exports.
At some point, as you intimate, the debt servicing burden that generates will become overwhelming–or the currency will collapse, or some combination of the two.
And yes, to get back to balance again, we need to produce: though “XM for some substantial time to reduce it. We may get some salve out of our resources on that front, but with the move to treating the country as primarily a quarry, we’re always going to be paying to import other people’s technology.
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