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	<title>Comments on: DebtWatch No 21 April 2008</title>
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	<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2008/03/29/debtwatch-no-21-april-2008/</link>
	<description>Analysing the Global Debt Bubble</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nic</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2008/03/29/debtwatch-no-21-april-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-5501</link>
		<dc:creator>Nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Picked up this article and comments from RGE Monitor...very prescient, congratulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Picked up this article and comments from RGE Monitor&#8230;very prescient, congratulations.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2008/03/29/debtwatch-no-21-april-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-4316</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your reply Steve. I am certainly keenly aware of the evils of inflation now - particularly after spending some time away from Australia. I was really surprised on my return how expensive things were!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your reply Steve. I am certainly keenly aware of the evils of inflation now - particularly after spending some time away from Australia. I was really surprised on my return how expensive things were!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Keen</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2008/03/29/debtwatch-no-21-april-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-4314</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Keen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 02:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steven,

That was a very wise move--a new marriage forced me into buying in 2004 when I didn't really want to, and I wish I was cashed up as you are now.

And while I'm suggesting that inflation is ultimately a "cure" to a debt-deflation, I don't expect it to be engineered by the economic authorities--far from it. They are more likely to try to suppress it.

It could also have deleterious effects in this particular debt crisis, because the globalisation of production in the last three decades has resulted in a large disconnect between production and consumption. Gerard Minack points out that inflation in the USA is now very different when measured against the GNE as opposed to the GDP. So rising prices might not result in rising incomes for those in debt, resulting in a "worst of both worlds" outcome.

As for whether inflation will actually occur and result in so-called stagflation rather than a debt-deflation, were it not for Global Warming and Peak Oil, I would put 100% odds on deflation rather than inflation--in which case your cashed up position would serve you very well.

However, with those two epochal events, inflation could easily result simply from physical cost of production causes--let alone pollution abatement and rising energy costs etc. I really can't pick which trend--deflation from excessive debt, inflation from climatic change--will dominate.

And as to whether you should head back to the UK? The odds are that their debt bubble is even bigger than Australia's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steven,</p>
<p>That was a very wise move&#8211;a new marriage forced me into buying in 2004 when I didn&#8217;t really want to, and I wish I was cashed up as you are now.</p>
<p>And while I&#8217;m suggesting that inflation is ultimately a &#8220;cure&#8221; to a debt-deflation, I don&#8217;t expect it to be engineered by the economic authorities&#8211;far from it. They are more likely to try to suppress it.</p>
<p>It could also have deleterious effects in this particular debt crisis, because the globalisation of production in the last three decades has resulted in a large disconnect between production and consumption. Gerard Minack points out that inflation in the USA is now very different when measured against the GNE as opposed to the GDP. So rising prices might not result in rising incomes for those in debt, resulting in a &#8220;worst of both worlds&#8221; outcome.</p>
<p>As for whether inflation will actually occur and result in so-called stagflation rather than a debt-deflation, were it not for Global Warming and Peak Oil, I would put 100% odds on deflation rather than inflation&#8211;in which case your cashed up position would serve you very well.</p>
<p>However, with those two epochal events, inflation could easily result simply from physical cost of production causes&#8211;let alone pollution abatement and rising energy costs etc. I really can&#8217;t pick which trend&#8211;deflation from excessive debt, inflation from climatic change&#8211;will dominate.</p>
<p>And as to whether you should head back to the UK? The odds are that their debt bubble is even bigger than Australia&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2008/03/29/debtwatch-no-21-april-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-4264</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 05:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prudently decided against buying property back in about 2003 considering it too expensive and so didn't enter the asset bubble. Consequently I am debt free and cashed up after getting out of the share market early last year. You can imagine my consternation as you seem to be suggesting that high inflation would be a good solution to this crisis. I've just spent 2.5 years in the UK, perhaps I better head back there :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prudently decided against buying property back in about 2003 considering it too expensive and so didn&#8217;t enter the asset bubble. Consequently I am debt free and cashed up after getting out of the share market early last year. You can imagine my consternation as you seem to be suggesting that high inflation would be a good solution to this crisis. I&#8217;ve just spent 2.5 years in the UK, perhaps I better head back there <img src='http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Contrarian Investors' Journal</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2008/03/29/debtwatch-no-21-april-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-1042</link>
		<dc:creator>Contrarian Investors' Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Zoo!

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Where is the money going to come from to “bail out the big banks”?
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Hint: which institution has the power to create unlimited credit/money out of thin air?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Zoo!</p>
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Where is the money going to come from to “bail out the big banks”?
</p></blockquote>
<p>Hint: which institution has the power to create unlimited credit/money out of thin air?</p>
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		<title>By: Zoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 09:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Bank with a large bank: it maximises the political repercussions of anything going too wrong.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Where is the money going to come from to "bail out the big banks"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Bank with a large bank: it maximises the political repercussions of anything going too wrong.</p></blockquote>
<p>Where is the money going to come from to &#8220;bail out the big banks&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Contrarian Investors' Journal</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2008/03/29/debtwatch-no-21-april-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-1024</link>
		<dc:creator>Contrarian Investors' Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ken!

&lt;blockquote&gt;
There is no obligation for the RBA to bail-out a bank in terms of shareholders funds.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sure, the RBA has no obligation to bail out banks. So do the Fed- it has no obligation to bail out Bear Stearns- but they did anyway to 'save' the financial system from break-down.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Bank with a large bank: it maximises the political repercussions of anything going too wrong.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That is where the problem is. Big banks know this and this is hardly encouraging for them to be prudent because they know they are politically too big to fail- back to the moral hazard issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ken!</p>
<blockquote><p>
There is no obligation for the RBA to bail-out a bank in terms of shareholders funds.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure, the RBA has no obligation to bail out banks. So do the Fed- it has no obligation to bail out Bear Stearns- but they did anyway to &#8217;save&#8217; the financial system from break-down.</p>
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Bank with a large bank: it maximises the political repercussions of anything going too wrong.
</p></blockquote>
<p>That is where the problem is. Big banks know this and this is hardly encouraging for them to be prudent because they know they are politically too big to fail- back to the moral hazard issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no obligation for the RBA to bail-out a bank in terms of shareholders funds. Lose too much money and you go bust like any other business. Then it is just a case of finding someone who wants to takeover whats left and restore the capital reserves. The RBA doesn't even have an obligation to bail-out depositors. Maybe they would have to, to stop the financial system from falling over. I have no idea if this is allowed. Bank with a large bank: it maximises the political repercussions of anything going too wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no obligation for the RBA to bail-out a bank in terms of shareholders funds. Lose too much money and you go bust like any other business. Then it is just a case of finding someone who wants to takeover whats left and restore the capital reserves. The RBA doesn&#8217;t even have an obligation to bail-out depositors. Maybe they would have to, to stop the financial system from falling over. I have no idea if this is allowed. Bank with a large bank: it maximises the political repercussions of anything going too wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Contrarian Investors' Journal</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2008/03/29/debtwatch-no-21-april-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-1019</link>
		<dc:creator>Contrarian Investors' Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve!

&lt;blockquote&gt;
What I meant by “non-speculative” is “not used to finance asset price speculation”. Good banking to me is lending to finance investment. This necessarily has a speculative aspect in an uncertain world, but if it takes a punt on productive capacity, new technology or new products, that’s a worthwhile potentially productive form of speculation.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

During an interview with Jimmy Rogers, when he was asked about regulations on investment banks, Jimmy Rogers answered,
&lt;blockquote&gt;
More regulations? You want Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke? These are the guys who got us into this situation. They are supposed to be regulating the banking system for the past 50 years. These are the guys who let it all happen. I don’t want more regulations. Let the market regulate it. If xyz needs to go bankrupt, let them go bankrupt. I promise you, that will send a very straight signal and you will have a lot of self-regulation when these guys start to go bankrupt.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Say the RBA and government makes it clear that there will be absolutely no chance of any bail-out for any banks and financial institutions, do you think that would send a very tough signal to lenders against speculative lending?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve!</p>
<blockquote><p>
What I meant by “non-speculative” is “not used to finance asset price speculation”. Good banking to me is lending to finance investment. This necessarily has a speculative aspect in an uncertain world, but if it takes a punt on productive capacity, new technology or new products, that’s a worthwhile potentially productive form of speculation.
</p></blockquote>
<p>During an interview with Jimmy Rogers, when he was asked about regulations on investment banks, Jimmy Rogers answered,</p>
<blockquote><p>
More regulations? You want Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke? These are the guys who got us into this situation. They are supposed to be regulating the banking system for the past 50 years. These are the guys who let it all happen. I don’t want more regulations. Let the market regulate it. If xyz needs to go bankrupt, let them go bankrupt. I promise you, that will send a very straight signal and you will have a lot of self-regulation when these guys start to go bankrupt.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Say the RBA and government makes it clear that there will be absolutely no chance of any bail-out for any banks and financial institutions, do you think that would send a very tough signal to lenders against speculative lending?</p>
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		<title>By: Aac</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2008/03/29/debtwatch-no-21-april-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-1015</link>
		<dc:creator>Aac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Contrarian said
"But note this: a crash in the Aussie dollar is a different matter altogether and we cannot rule that out, especially our debt situation in Australia is no better than the US."

I have been researching this and it seems that Bernanke http://online.wsj.com/article/SB113392265577715881.html?mod=mkts_main_featured_stories_hsonce proposed buying the long bond end to drive yields (interest rates) down. 

Here's some more from that WSJ article:
"Over the following months, Fed staffers concluded that targeting long-term interest rates by intervening in the bond market was probably impractical. "Once you've made the commitment, how do you get out of it?" says Kenneth Kuttner, then an economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and now at Oberlin College"

If the same applies to Australia then deficit spending could also trigger a bond market collapse leading to higher interest rates. 

Thus the success of reinflation dependents on whether buyers of Australian government debt believe that reinflation through deficit spending would lead to economic recovery. If sentiment is negative then things could actually get worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contrarian said<br />
&#8220;But note this: a crash in the Aussie dollar is a different matter altogether and we cannot rule that out, especially our debt situation in Australia is no better than the US.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have been researching this and it seems that Bernanke <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB113392265577715881.html?mod=mkts_main_featured_stories_hsonce" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB113392265577715881.html?mod=mkts_main_featured_stories_hsonce</a> proposed buying the long bond end to drive yields (interest rates) down. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some more from that WSJ article:<br />
&#8220;Over the following months, Fed staffers concluded that targeting long-term interest rates by intervening in the bond market was probably impractical. &#8220;Once you&#8217;ve made the commitment, how do you get out of it?&#8221; says Kenneth Kuttner, then an economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and now at Oberlin College&#8221;</p>
<p>If the same applies to Australia then deficit spending could also trigger a bond market collapse leading to higher interest rates. </p>
<p>Thus the success of reinflation dependents on whether buyers of Australian government debt believe that reinflation through deficit spending would lead to economic recovery. If sentiment is negative then things could actually get worse.</p>
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