Stevens is from Mars, Bernanke is from Venus?
on February 2nd, 2008 at 8:37 pmNote to Subscribers: I have been on study leave in Europe for the last month, and get back to Sydney late on Monday February 4th. I will be available for comment from the morning of Tuesday February 5th.
Chart of the Month: Who’s having a housing bubble then?
A SMH article claimed that 17 out of 19 economists surveyed expected the RBA to increase rates in response to the January CPI figure:
Dollar inches towards US90 cents on rates expectation
In that case, count me as number 18 of 20. But unlike the other 17, I believe that a rate rise now would be a mistake. The real danger to the Australian economy is not a mild resurgence in inflation, but financial fragility, caused by excessive debt–the phenomenon that is leading the US’s Federal Reserve to move rates aggressively in precisely the opposite direction.In fact, the disconnect between Australian and American interest rate policies is once again so extreme, that it seems the two Central Banks reside on different planets. Australia’s “Rambo” RBA is still waging the war against inflation, while the “Sensitive New Age” Federal Reserve is clearly trying to soothe the troubled financial markets. In mid-2006, Reserve rates had converged to differ by a mere 0.5%; now, they are 3.75% apart after the Fed’s dramatic January pre-meeting rate cut of 0.75%, and subsequent meeting cut of another 0.5%. Australia’s reserve rates are now 2.25 times those of the USA’s.
In 2002-06, when there was last such a policy disconnect, the difference was justified by clearly divergent economic conditions. The USA was severely affected by the bursting of the Internet Bubble, while Australia had escaped relatively unscathed. Then, the USA’s rate of growth fell to a barely positive 0.2%, while Australia’s real rate of economic growth slowed, but remained above 1.5% p.a. This time, a similar gap has opened up after the bursting of yet another bubble–the so-called Subprime Lending Crisis. To date, our RBA seems to have taken a punt that history will repeat itself, and the negative effects of this bubble’s collapse will also be confined to the USA.
But what if the wrong history repeats: what if, rather than replicating the 2000 experience, we replicate the 1990s?
Then, both countries experienced a stock market bubble and crash, followed in short order by a commercial property market bubble and crash.The Australian government increased interest rates far more aggressively that the US government, in an attempt to rein in both inflation and the rampant property market.It was excessively successful: not only was inflation driven out of the system, but growth collapsed as well. Australia’s rate of economic growth tumbled from more than 2 percent above the USA to over 3 percent below it. The 1990s recession in Australia lasted longer than in the USA, and drove unemployment higher. The Australian government was forced to rapidly change tack on interest rates, dropping them from 18 percent to under 5 percent over the next 3 years.
Which way should rates go?
Today, the US Fed clearly believes that rates have to fall substantially to avert a serious financial crisis and a possible recession, whereas the RBA believes rates have to rise to control inflation. Both Central Banks can’t be right, unless the fundamentals in the two economies are fundamentally different. So just how different are they?
Economic Growth
The difference in rates of economic growth are exaggerated by the US practice of multiplying the current quarter’s rate of growth by four to estimate the annual rate of growth; Australia, on the other hand, uses the rolling sum of the last 4 quarters to estimate the annual rate of growth. When the less volatile Australian standard is applied to both economies, Australia’s economy still appears to be growing more rapidly than the USA, but the current gap was just one percent–prior to the release of the anaemic growth result for the December quarter.
Inflation
The rates of inflation are almost identical today, and well below the mean for the last two decades, when generally Australian inflation was two percent higher than the USA’s. Today, as measured by the CPI, our inflation rate is the same as America’s.
So rates of economic growth are similar, and rates of inflation are almost identical. How different then are asset markets?
Asset Markets
Since the Subprime Crisis broke, the Federal Reserve has clearly been concerned that the collapse in US house prices will drive its economy into recession–and the precipitous fall in the US stock market since the beginning of 2008 has only added to the worries that a serious “credit crunch” is taking place. It is ignoring signs of a resurgence in inflation–driven by rising global energy prices–and driving interest rates down aggressively.The Australian RBA, on the other hand, has been outwardly confident that there is no local parallel to the Subprime Crisis, and more worried that a fast growing economy is inducing rising inflation. They seem to believe that Australian asset markets–both stocks and housing–are not as fragile as their US counterparts. They therefore regard the pain that higher interest rates might damage growth and asset markets are as worth the gain of lower inflation.I think the RBA’s judgment here is flawed. On the data, the Australian stock market has outdone the US market on irrational exuberance since mid-2004, while the Australian housing market makes the US look subdued by comparison. The historic parallels are not with 2000, but with 1987/89.On the stockmarket front, while our market has been growing more slowly and sanely than the US since 1984–and it clearly didn’t join the US in its orgy of speculation over the Internet–since mid-2004 the ASX has clearly been in a bubble. The annual growth rate doubled from the 1984-2004 average of just under 9% to almost 20%. On the other hand, the US market’s growth rate in the last three years has been 13%, only slightly above its trend rate of growth since 1984, of about 11%.
On the other hand, the long run rate of growth of the DJIA (since 1914) is only 6%, and the long run result for the ASX (since 1984) is 9%… So whatever way you cut it, both Australia and the USA have been Bubble Economies for the past two decades–and the stock bubble is clearly bursting in both economies. The real “gimme” though is in housing, where our bubble makes the USA’s look positively anaemic. Ours began earlier, climbed higher, grew faster, and is still growing–whereas the US’s market is clearly in free-fall.
The US price index is now falling at a rate that exceeds one percent per month–an unprecedented rate of decline.
Both asset bubbles in both countries were driven by the Ponzi-Scheme belief that house prices could forever rise faster than consumer prices, so that leveraged speculation on housing was a sure “road to riches”. But while Ponzi Schemes work for those who get in and out early, those who hang around too long find out the hard way that it’s the sure road to bankruptcy instead. Once a Ponzi Scheme ends, all that’s left at the national level are
- overvalued assets
- much higher debt, and
- a compromised financial sector.
These are the consequences that the USA is now grappling with–and while I think the Federal Reserve is right to worry about the state of the USA’s economy, it is also undoubtedly complicit in allowing these bubbles to develop in the first place.
As is obvious from the above graphs, Australia’s asset prices are just as overvalued–and just as shaky–as those that are currently tumbling in the USA. What we gain by way of a comparatively responsible stock market since 1987 (recent bubble behaviour excepted), we lose in terms of an even more overvalued housing market.
We can tick the first box on the Ponzi scheme checklist.
The second is even more easily ticked. Though the Subprime Crisis has distinctive features that are not replicated here–such as the widespread use of “Adjustable Rate Mortgages”–lending to households for real estate speculation has been even more rampant in Australia than in America. In 1985, Australia’s household debt to GDP ratio was half that of America’s; today, it is the same.
What about the third box–the state of the financial sector? Here, though there have been obvious casualties–RAMs, Centro and now Tricom in particular–the widespread banking trauma that has afflicted Wall Street has been notably absent here, and the levels of personal bankruptcies and mortgage foreclosures are much lower.One important reason as to why may simply be the nature of the housing market. In many American states, a borrower who can’t meet mortgage commitments has the option of a “key drop”, as an almost cavalier means to hand ownership of a house back to the lender. Mortgage originators are then obliged to sell as soon as possible–hence the precipitous decline in US house prices.Given that so many of these loans were syndicated into bonds, the collapse in house prices has in turn undermined the bond market, and in particular the “repo” business (when companies extend short-term loans to each other by selling a bond and an agreement to buy it back a short time afterwards at a higher price). The collapse in house prices can force these bonds to be “marked to market”, eliminating their notional values–and making holding them even for the short term of a repo agreement too risky for financiers to contemplate.In Australia, even though repossessions and bankruptcies are occurring at a heightened pace, the process of liquidating a repossessed house is much more cumbersome, and lenders prefer to pressure a mortgagor into a forced sale to avoid the 15-20% hit on prices that a mortgagee sale causes. So house prices hold up, bonds don’t need to be marked to market, and the financial system continues to function, albeit at a reduced pace.The role of the China boom also can’t be overlooked: just as China has boomed selling consumer goods to the USA, we have boomed selling the raw materials to China. As long as China continues to boom, we are to some extent quarantined from the US’s problems.



Hi Steve!
On one hand, Austrian School economists will agree with you that the current state of affairs is unsustainable in the long run. But on the other hand, they will disagree with you on the cure.
The reason being, the current ills are caused by mal-investments due to the artificially induced monetary inflation (expansion of money and credit) and thus, recessions are welcomed as the inevitable and natural liquidation of the past excesses of mal-investments. Since such an outcome is inevitable, the Austrians holds that it is better to let that happen sooner than later, so that the economy can be restored to a sustainable growth path again. The longer this inevitable correction is delayed, the greater the current excess and continues, and thus the more painful the inevitable recession will be.
For this reason, the Austrians see that the current ill is caused by monetary inflation and thus, further monetary inflation cannot be the solution. In fact, further monetary inflation will fail to worsen the state of capital structure imbalance, which means further economic growth will be compromised. Eventually, it will come to a point where the economy will no longer be able to respond to further monetary inflation, resulting in the dreaded stagflationary scenario (i.e. low or even negative economic growth with high inflation or even hyperinflation).
In Chapter 15, Section 2 of Human Action: A Treatise on Economics, Ludwig Von Mises wrote:
What are your views on that?
Steve, thanks for your article and for the great work that you do.
I would like to discuss the point that the RBA may not be able to reduce rates. The article in Elliott Wave International at
http://www.elliottwave.com/features/default.aspx?cat=mw*aid=3658*time=pm
seems to indicate that in the US the Fed (their central bank) sets rates according to the yield of their three month Treasury bill. My guess is that the same occurs in Australia with our RBA setting rates based on our three month government bonds.
If the US Fed were to lower rates far below market rates then it would need to spend a lot to defend their Federal Funds Target rate. On the other hand I think that it is possible to raise rates without causing undue stress to the Fed.
I would also argue that trying to prop up asset prices as in the case of the US is an unwise strategy as it seems to always worsen the situation in the longer term.
The other factor missed by many is the psychological effect of prices not revisiting their long term averages by continually expanding the money supply through debt.
Parts of the population that have not speculated and instead have been prudent would see savings forever savaged by inflation.
I have read much of your work but have not at present understaood all of it. My guess however is that the root cause of big bubbles are the banks and the lack of regulatory control. This applies to Australian banks which also keep off balance sheets that are opaque. This is nothing shot of fraud and I think it needs to stop.
You commented “lenders prefer to pressure a mortgagor into a forced sale to avoid the 15-20% hit on prices that a mortgagee sale causes”. The amount of pressure will be dependent on the level of equity. If someone can sell their house and end up with some money then it is in their interests to arrange a sale. If they have negative equity at best then a reasonable course may be to stop paying the mortgage and wait to be evicted, assuming there are no other assets large enough for the bank to chase. Use the mortgage payments as bond for a rental property.
One aspect of the bubble bursting is for mortgagees to simply walk away if the mortgage is stupid. Why pay $400/week on a property they could be renting for $200/week and falling in value ? No real surprises that nobody wants to purchase these debts.
even now with rising interest rates my bank is encouraging me to purchase another more expensive house and rent my existing one out. Their rules on lending for investment properties allow 100% use of the speculated value of the investment property as collateral to purchase another. In a rising market this makes sense but it is irresponsible of them to offer such finance when house values fall. Instead, I might just sell my over valued current property before the bubble bursts and buy a comparatively undervalued property in a rural area. Shame on you banks!
Hi Steve,
Welcome back to OZ, straight into media slut mode hahaha, saw you on 7:30.
An Economist loves a crisis, hahaha, its the only time anyone cares what he thinks!!!. Just kidding.
Hope you had a good time in the economic powerhouse that is Romania, and hope you were led not into temptation!!!
When are you coming to see my girls?
Talk soon mate,
your Nephew of far inferior intelligence to your own!
Amazing Andy, I have also been phoned cold by so called financial advisors offering to assists in property wealth creation. These people need to get a real job.
Steve – saw you on the ABC news tonight; great interview. The ABC needs to do a series special on basic economics with you at the helm. People need to understand the basics of how our system works. It also needs to be taught at schools.
Maybe Steve you can pose to the Rudd government an alternative 5 point plan for reducing monetary inflation. His current plan of tax incentives only serves to jack up home prices further. In other words it transfers money from general tax payers to home sellers.
1. The shadow banking system needs to be dismantled including all forms of mortgage backed securitization, credit default swaps etc…. Banks are destroying economies worldwide and they must be stopped.
2. Lending needs to be tightened; mortgages more than 4 times income should not be allowed, a 15% discount should also be mandatory. Similar to what is now being forced onto borrowers in the US. Lending for Ponzi businesses such as Centro should never have been allowed. They are totally non-productive and impact on society in the form of monetary inflation.
3. Land zoned as residential should incur a hefty tax if not developed. This would do away with the practice of land hoarding.
4. Negative gearing, unheard of in most countries, must go. It‘s an injustice to ask tax payers to pay for someone’s else’s investment loss. The idea that this drives investors away from the market driving up rents is a nonsense preached by Ponzi schemers.
5. Capital gains tax needs to be scrapped, instead capital gains should be treated as income; similar to how it works in Germany. It’s no accident that Germany has had the smallest housing bubble.
Capitalism geared towards production rather than speculations is possible but it needs regulation. Such regulation was implemented after the great depression and has been systematically dismantled over the past 20 years.
In essence we need to get back to Capitalism for the masses and not crony capitalism (socialism for the super rich) which socializes losses.
The new RBA target for cash rate at 7% is 3% above the real inflation rate of 4%.That’s reasonable,in that it encourages people to save instead of spending.If this causes irresponsible borrowers to fall by the wayside,so be it,that’s how it should work.
The new Federal Reserve target cash rate at 3% is 1% below the real inflation rate of 4%. That’s unreasonable,in that it encourages people to borrow[usually on unproductive expensive homes] instead of save,and that’s how we got into this mess in the first place.
I’m pretty disappointed that someone like Steve Keen would encourage the Greenspan/Bernanke American Way,sending us further down the spiral!
The corellation in the charts is outstanding!
Cant believe how close we have been tracking the USA.
Australia has corelations however i would like to see charts on housing stocks and vacant buy to rent properties before I would be convinced we are headed for a USA style property melt down.
The other missing element at the moment is negative market sentiment. By market I mean home buyers of all types. A lot of negative press on a consistant basis about house prices stagnating or starting to drop may be needed to turn people off property in Brisbane. I dont believe the press coverage Steve is getting has any affect on the market without evidence that a slide has started. I guess Shiller had the same problem getting his message across in 2006.
Andy, try this. Instead of calling them banks call them Money Lenders. Asking a money lender to improve his lending practices is like asking Gerry Hearvy to stop selling big screen tv’s interest free for 3 years. Money Lenders product is money and he makes nothing while his product is in the safe.
To Aac I would say i am not a fan of Elliot Wave. The wave guys have been predicting a global financial melt since the mid eighties!!
Steve, when property goes up in value by 5 to 10% or more in Brisbane year after year it is hard to argue against the trend. What i am amazed at is the impact yearly drops below 10% are having in the USA. If the Brisbane market has gone up so much why should anyone worry if it drops by say 10% in two years? Steve are you predicting a bigger fall than that and if so how much?
Looking forward to the next Pod. Cheers Mike
Russia Was Better Prepared for Collapse than the U.S.
http://www.opendemocracy.net/forum/2008/01/25/russia_was_better_prepared_for_collapse_than_the_u_s
I’m no economist but I like to follow your blog. I wondered if you might make a comment on the role of Superannuation? I cant help thinking that there is a whole load of sucker money out there invested in superannuation, which has no where to go. You cant have capital flight from Superannuation Funds since you cant take money out until you retire and they have to invest your money somewhere no matter what the market is doing. Are these funds going to provide the soft landing by underpinning the markets, or do they go under as well? It would certainly seem to me that the total amount of money invested in superannuation is subject to the same asset re-valuation as the housing market.
Hi All,
Sorry for not replying to comments as they popped up–too much work and too little time at present.
On the ills of monetary inflation Contrarian, I have sympathy for parts of the Austrian view, but I think it misunderstands the process by which credit is created. The only Austrian-influenced economist who comes close to getting this right is Schumpeter, not Mises or Hayek: see Chapter 4 of his Theory of Economic Development.
In a nutshell, Schumpeter argues that money is endogenously created by the credit system. The state creation of fiat money is an embellishment to this, not the core causal component of monetary inflation without which the system would be hunky dory (to caricature to some extent Hayek/Mises/Rothbard on this point.
A purely private credit system would in other words be prone to exactly the same form of monetary inflation bubble that we have experienced recently, and more prone to collapse when it burst than our state augmented system.
The real problem with the state system is that its bailouts have encouraged this endogenous credit expansion to go on for much longer, and to much greater heights, than would otherwise have occurred without “lender of last resort” interventions. In other words, the moral hazard aspect of the Greenspan Put has made the ultimate accumulation of debt much greater than it would have been in a purely private system.
A shakeout like the one you to some extent welcome will doubtless get rid of the problem, but it might take fifteen-twenty years–as has been the case in Japan. Avoiding this sort of position in the first place should be the aim of policy, but a cure should also be found if we find ourselves suffering the debt deflation disease. Deliberate consumer price inflation is such a potential cure; but it should only be attempted in concert with genuine structural reform.
Of course, I expect neither to happen in the real world: we’ll suffer asset price deflation, maybe consumer price deflation as well, and policies which prolong the agony rather than alleviating it.
On the super issue AAC, I think you’re spot on. In the 1980s bubble, superannuation funds played a definite role in driving the bubble up: in 1983, only 30% of super funds were invested in the stock market; by 1987, 70% were. They drove the bubble, and in the crash the investors lost bucketloads.
Of course, the gains they had made were illusory anyway–driven by asset price inflation rather than real investment returns.
The same applies this time around in spades.
Hi Steve!
Let me make sure whether I’ve interpret you correctly: Do you mean that the growth of credit (debt on the other side) is what drives the creation of the monetary base?
Yes, that’s correct: credit money wags the fiat money dog–not vice versa, as most economists (including Austrians) believe is the case in the current monetary system.
This was confirmed empirically by two of the most rabidly neoclassical economists–Kydland and Prescott–in an excellent empirical study in 1989 (Business Cycles: Real Facts and a Monetary Myth; Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis Quarterly Review). Their conclusion, in a nutshell, was:
“There is no evidence that either the monetary base or M1 leads the cycle, although some economists still believe this monetary myth. Both the monetary base and M 1 series are generally procyclical and, if anything, the monetary base lags the cycle slightly.”
“The fact that the transaction component of real cash balances (M 1) moves contemporaneously with the cycle while the much larger nontransaction component (M2) leads the cycle suggests that credit arrangements could play a significant role in future business cycle theory. Introducing money and credit into growth theory in a way that accounts for the cyclical behavior of monetary as well as real aggregates is an important open problem in economics.”
“The difference in the behavior of M1 and M2 suggests that the difference of these aggregates (M2 minus M1) should be considered. This component mainly consists of interest-bearing time deposits, including certificates of deposit under $100,000. It is approximately one-half of annual GNP, whereas M 1 is about one-sixth. The difference of M2 – M1 leads the cycle by even more than M2, with the lead being about three quarters.”
In analytic terms, the creation of credit money precedes the economic cycle, and the government then tends to react to this with a lag. So we have to explain how credit money can be created in the complete absence of fiat money (which I have done in some technical papers), and then explain the government’s behaviour as a reaction to developments in the financial system, rather than as a cause of those developments.
Steve,
Is credit restriction the way to go to avoid credit bubbles?
If so what are the methods you see as being feasible.
I would see that tighter capital reserves requirements may be used, phased in to avoid a large shock to the system.
“Australia’s “Rambo” RBA is still waging the war against inflation, while the “Sensitive New Age” Federal Reserve is clearly trying to soothe the troubled financial markets.”
Hi Steve, more about your words above in a tick.
I recently read a US blog which echoes what you are saying about reserve banks following markets:
http://wallstreetexaminer.com/?p=2280
In this blog, Lee Adler basically demonstrates that the Fed is not actually concerned about how its rate drops are affecting the market, but more about saving itself.
Another US blogger I read echoes this, seeing the Fed’s actions not as “Sensitive New Age”, but as purely defensive. It is said that the Fed has been actively draining SOMA to de-leverage its own balance sheet, and to force primary dealers to decrease their risk.
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/2008/02/most-important-ticker-you-will-read.html
This is what Denninger has to say about the US Federal Reserve’s massive reduction in interest rates:
“…The fact of the matter, however, is that The Fed didn’t create all that fraudulent credit (which sure has the EFFECT of being hyperinflationary – but that effect is a chimera, because the credit created is not backed at a rational level by assets; its a fraud and a scam!) but now is dealing with the collapse.
“In short the failure here was regulatory – not monetary. How much of this was The Fed’s responsibility? Looking the other way is certainly culpability, but in point of fact there are now facts showing up relating to the ratings agencies, for example, suggesting that they were given explicit permission to enter the CDO insurance market by an underling at some of the regulatory agencies without any public oversight at all!
“Nonetheless, the idea that “The Fed will save us” or “The Fed controls the cost of money” is pure horse****. The Fed not only won’t do such a thing it can’t.
“The Fed does, however, see what’s happening and IS positioning itself so it does not end up as the “Bagholder”.
Which is exactly what you’d expect them to do.”
(see: http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=28691&page=3)
What he says about inflation really being a mirage (because credit creation is not realistically backed by asset values), seems to be what you have been saying all along.
Would you be so kind as to comment on this information?
Re:
“The new RBA target for cash rate at 7% is 3% above the real inflation rate of 4%.That’s reasonable,in that it encourages people to save instead of spending.If this causes irresponsible borrowers to fall by the wayside,so be it,that’s how it should work.
The new Federal Reserve target cash rate at 3% is 1% below the real inflation rate of 4%. That’s unreasonable,in that it encourages people to borrow[usually on unproductive expensive homes] instead of save,and that’s how we got into this mess in the first place.
I’m pretty disappointed that someone like Steve Keen would encourage the Greenspan/Bernanke American Way,sending us further down the spiral!”
I’m not encouraging the Greenspan/Bernanke way, but observing instead that once you end up in the trap that process creates, it’s better not to compound it by keeping the real rate of interest high.
There are three factors that determine the real debt burden on the economy: the debt to income (GDP) ratio, the nominal rate of interest, and the rate of inflation. the former gives you the real level of debt; the latter two give you the real rate of interest. Discussions about latter (the real rate of interest) in the absence of the former miss the key point I’m trying to make on this blog–which is that the entire institutional nature of finance has led to an unsustainable level of debt, and we now have to work out how to respond to this.
That is, the key problem is not the impact of the real rate of interest on current behaviour, but its impact on the accumulated debt that is the product of past behaviour. If I can use a global warming analogy, what matters is not so much the amount of CO2 being produced now, as the accumulated mass of CO2 in the atmosphere from the past 130 years of industrialisation. If there were a way to reduce the accumulation in the atmosphere that councidentally increased CO2 output now, we should take it.
Ditto with debt: if there were a way to reduce the accumulated debt burden that coincidentally encouraged more debt accumulation now, and the net impact was to reduce the level over time, then we should take it; or if there were a way to reduce the damage caused by that accumulated debt, we should take it.
With CO2 reduction, technologies that could extract CO2 from the atmosphere and sequestrate it would necessarily involve generating some more CO2 now as the machines that achieved the process were built.
With debt, the one effective policy to reduce the debt burden is to cause commodity price inflation (that’s what really got us out of the Great Depression); a lesser but still useful effective policy is to drive the nominal rate of interest as low as it can go. That doesn’t necessarily solve the problem–take a look at Japan–but it reduces the pain.
My criticism of the RBA vis a vis the Fed is that it is following what I regard as a fallacious approach to economics that completely ignores debt, and to some extent is also ignoring the dangers of financial fragility. The Fed likewise fell into the trap by ignoring debt, but now is taking financial fragility seriously.
However, in the last two decades, there’s no doubt that the “Greenspan put” has encouraged the debt bubble to continue expanding well past levels that it would have reached without the Fed’s intervention. So ultimately the Greenspan Put has to go–and ditto many other features of our current financial system.
“The Fed likewise fell into the trap by ignoring debt, but now is taking financial fragility seriously.”
They may be taking it seriously, but beyond that, there is not much they can do, right? What will happen when they hit ZIRP?
The latest scary figures out of the Fed show that the US is staring down the barrel of a near-immediate credit initiation collapse. Look down the column for non-borrowed Fed reserves in the following Fed statistical release:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h3/Current/
That release has been doing the rounds in the US blogosphere since December last year, and the latest update is mindblowing … -18009 million dollars in non-borrwed reserves!!!
As I understand what I am reading out of the US, the banks and brokerages in the USA have been very naughty, and Mr Bernanke is now spanking them very hard with SOMA drainage. I can’t see how this is actually going to help US banks in any real sense. Moreover, if the US economy goes into a deflationary spiral, will its deflation be exported to Australia and the rest of the world?
Judging from some of the reports the Federal reserve is more worried that if they don’t drop interest rate bits of their economy will break right now or maybe that should be RIGHT NOW. I don’t think they have many worries about starting another debt binge, the banks are tightening up their criteria, loan insurance is getting more difficult to obtain and unemployment is increasing.
Steve, Have just watched the video of your talk in Norway. Thanks for all the work you are doing.
I broadly agree with your analysis of where we have got to and very much share your concerns.
One argument people have put to me is that from a demand vs supply point of view the Australian situation is very different to the US. They have an oversupply of housing, we don’t. So whilst as a nation we seem woefully indebted, there is not a large volume of empty properties that people are looking to offload in a hurry thus rapidly driving down prices. Could we not simply be in for a long period of “standstill” in house price inflation while households re-build their finances or do you see a crash as ineveitable?
The problem with supply and demand arguments is that demand can disappear rapidly, as it much of it is fuelled by increasing levels of debt. Remove that stimulus from the economy and you have higher unemployment and lower wages. If someone can’t afford high rents and high house prices then they wont pay them. Result will be decreased immigration, more house sharing and a lot more living with their parents. Doesn’t take much to turn a 1-2% rental vacancy rate back to 3-4%.
Guy said: “from a demand vs supply point of view the Australian situation is very different to the US. They have an oversupply of housing, we don’t.”
Guy, I politely suggest that you treat any reports to such effect with a little caution. Some bright spark over on GHPC(AU) did the maths:
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So how do we know if we actually have a shortage or not? One way is to compare population growth and dwelling growth from the census.
population: http://www.census.gov/popest/states/NST-ann-est.html
dwellings: http://www.census.gov/popest/housing/HU-EST2006.html
US:
2001 US population: 285,226,284
2006 US population: 299,398,484
2001 US dwellings: 117,858,349
2006 US dwellings: 126,316,181
Population growth 01-06 : 4.97%
Dwelling growth 01-06 : 7.18%
We can therefore calculate the percentage overbuilding as (Dwelling Stock Growth – Population Growth)/Population Growth. This gives an overbuilding figure of 44%
Australia
2001: http://www.censusdata.abs.gov.au/ABSNaviga…xtversion=false
2006: http://www.censusdata.abs.gov.au/ABSNaviga…xtversion=false
2001 AU population: 18,769,249
2006 AU population: 19,855,288
2001 AU dwellings: 7,790,079
2006 AU dwellings: 8,426,559
Population: 5.78%
Houses: 8.17%
We can therefore calculate the percentage overbuilding as (Dwelling Stock Growth – Population Growth)/Population Growth. This gives an overbuilding figure of 41%
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http://forum.globalhousepricecrash.com/index.php?showtopic=20329
I’d add to this that the 2006 census recorded 830,000 vacant dwellings in 2006, a 15.6% increase over 2001 when just 718,000 vacant properties were recorded.
Of course, it’s not raw population growth but net household formation rates that determine whether construction has provided oversupply, undersupply or a balance. I’ve tried to examine this issue a little more precisely using figures from Nigel Stapledon’s excellent thesis, and come up with the following work in progress:
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/479/stapledon4zq4.jpg
http://forum.globalhousepricecrash.com/index.php?showtopic=28041
Source: http://www.library.unsw.edu.au/~thesis/adt-NUN/public/adt-NUN20071210.120652/index.html
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Thanks to Steve for the discussion above. Very interesting. I wonder if you can help me better understand the link between the money supply and inflation. I’ve read Friedman books which suggest to me that inflation should be much higher than it is, given the rate of increase in the money supply… I notice that M3 is currently growing (rocketing!) at a rate only previously surpassed in 1972-77 and 1989. (http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7420/m3cr2.png) Should I take this as confirmation that inflation will be higher in the future? Am I measuring the wrong bit of the money supply? Was Friedman wrong?
Regards, F.
Oh, sorry for the ugly long URLs above. Next time I’ll use tinyurl. I forgot this:
http://www.whocrashedtheeconomy.com/ausrealhomeprices.gif
Compiled by GHPC(AU) and YChromozome (www.whocrashedtheeconomy.com) from N. Stapledon’s data.
It’s a remarkably important addition to Steve’s first chart in this thread. Really puts things into perspective!
Thanks Foundation for reminding me of Nigel’s excellent work on this topic. He gave a seminar at UWS last year, and I’ve meant for ages to get in touch and exchange data. He did some very painstaking work to develop that long term index for Australia–impressive hard slogging through old newspaper offer price and sales records.
It shows, yet again, that our housing bubble is bigger than the US’s. Conversely, their stock market bubble is bigger than ours–the stock market is the American casino of choice, whereas ours is bricks and mortar.
On the relationship between the rate of growth of money supply and the rate of inflation, throw everything Milton argued into the trash can. He was wrong on the causes of inflation, and the means to control it (the latter has been conceded by Central Banks around the world, who long ago forsake his recommended policy approach of monetary targetting).
My favourite instance of Milton’s descendants getting this analysis badly wrong in print was when two Macquarie University believers published a feature in the AFR in 1989/90, predicting that inflation in the following year would be 27%, because money supply growth that year had been 30%.
The actual rate of inflation recorded was -1%.
Money supply growth of the kind we are experiencing now can easily pass into asset price inflation rather than commodities; and prices are far more determined by cost pressures than pure monetary forces. See Alan Blinder’s excellent survey of American business called “Asking About Prices” to see how prices are actually set.
For a precis, visit my Debunking Economics website:
http://www.debunkingeconomics.com
And look up my lectures on Managerial Economics. The first 2-3 cover price setting by real corporations–as opposed to the myths promulgated by economics textbooks.
Hi Steve!
Agree with you on that. We wrote about monetarism on one of our recent article, Introduction to the famous Quantity Theory of Money:
The Austrian School follows a completely different definition for inflation- expansion of money and credit is inflation.