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	<description>Analysing the Global Debt Bubble</description>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2007/11/23/debtwatch-podcast-now-up-and-running/comment-page-1/#comment-521</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A piece of trivia, relating to the latest DebtWatch. Increase in private debt for the year $240 billion, estimated federal government income 2007-8 budget $247 billion. Basically equal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A piece of trivia, relating to the latest DebtWatch. Increase in private debt for the year $240 billion, estimated federal government income 2007-8 budget $247 billion. Basically equal.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Keen</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2007/11/23/debtwatch-podcast-now-up-and-running/comment-page-1/#comment-500</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Keen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Replying belatedly to SteveZ, if I had been in control of economic policy in Japan, I would have legislated an across the board increase in wages of, say, 15%, combined with strict regulatory supervision to make sure that price increases as a result were no greater than 15%, and on average 1-2% less.

This would have caused a bout of inflation over 6-8 years that would have rapidly reduced the real debt overhang, while allowing asset prices to remain at much their original nominal levels--rather than falling 70-90% as they ultimately did.

The approaches they tried to use to create inflation are standard quantity theory of money approaches--common to mainstream "Keynesian" and Monetarist theories of economcs--which failed abjectly in practice because the link that the presume between changes in the money supply and inflation simply doesn't exist.

Increasing the stock of money can have bugger all impact in some circumstances, because what matters for prices and economic activity in general is the turnover of money--which is a flow issue.

On that point, Japan increased the stock of M1 by over 25% one year; and next year, the rate of wholesale price DEflation increased.

The same policy would be much more problematic in Australia and other currently endangered economies (such as the USA and UK) because of the much higher level of foreign debt. Currency depreciation changes caused by such a policy matter to these countries, whereas they would have been irrelevant to Japan because it is a substantial creditor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Replying belatedly to SteveZ, if I had been in control of economic policy in Japan, I would have legislated an across the board increase in wages of, say, 15%, combined with strict regulatory supervision to make sure that price increases as a result were no greater than 15%, and on average 1-2% less.</p>
<p>This would have caused a bout of inflation over 6-8 years that would have rapidly reduced the real debt overhang, while allowing asset prices to remain at much their original nominal levels&#8211;rather than falling 70-90% as they ultimately did.</p>
<p>The approaches they tried to use to create inflation are standard quantity theory of money approaches&#8211;common to mainstream &#8220;Keynesian&#8221; and Monetarist theories of economcs&#8211;which failed abjectly in practice because the link that the presume between changes in the money supply and inflation simply doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>Increasing the stock of money can have bugger all impact in some circumstances, because what matters for prices and economic activity in general is the turnover of money&#8211;which is a flow issue.</p>
<p>On that point, Japan increased the stock of M1 by over 25% one year; and next year, the rate of wholesale price DEflation increased.</p>
<p>The same policy would be much more problematic in Australia and other currently endangered economies (such as the USA and UK) because of the much higher level of foreign debt. Currency depreciation changes caused by such a policy matter to these countries, whereas they would have been irrelevant to Japan because it is a substantial creditor.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2007/11/23/debtwatch-podcast-now-up-and-running/comment-page-1/#comment-495</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Japans problem was dropping interest rates too low. This meant there was no pressure on anyone to sell and so prices fell slowly. The other problem that has been suggested (I don't know if anyone has any evidence of this) is that low interest rates for borrowers means low interest rates for savers, which means lower incomes and less spending by them. It also has produced some massive distortions in the international credit markets and foreign exchange rates as the Japanese pursue higher interest rate abroad, something we will regret when it bounces the other way.

I expect there wont be a perfect solution or even one that will make most people happy. When someone buys an asset that is 50-100% overpriced there are really only two solutions; let them lose a lot of money or take money off other people to help offset the loss.

In Australia ultra  low interest rates wont be a possibility, our currency would collapse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Japans problem was dropping interest rates too low. This meant there was no pressure on anyone to sell and so prices fell slowly. The other problem that has been suggested (I don&#8217;t know if anyone has any evidence of this) is that low interest rates for borrowers means low interest rates for savers, which means lower incomes and less spending by them. It also has produced some massive distortions in the international credit markets and foreign exchange rates as the Japanese pursue higher interest rate abroad, something we will regret when it bounces the other way.</p>
<p>I expect there wont be a perfect solution or even one that will make most people happy. When someone buys an asset that is 50-100% overpriced there are really only two solutions; let them lose a lot of money or take money off other people to help offset the loss.</p>
<p>In Australia ultra  low interest rates wont be a possibility, our currency would collapse.</p>
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		<title>By: RobertSearle</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2007/11/23/debtwatch-podcast-now-up-and-running/comment-page-1/#comment-491</link>
		<dc:creator>RobertSearle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CORRECTION TO PREVIOUS POST ONSITE


The sentence in paragraph two should ofcourse read "..Thus, inflation registration of retail (and trade) pricing of products, and servcies  could well be unnecessary...."

Apologies for error, or as Shakespeare put it "To err is human...." at least to err as little as possible ofcourse!

RS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CORRECTION TO PREVIOUS POST ONSITE</p>
<p>The sentence in paragraph two should ofcourse read &#8220;..Thus, inflation registration of retail (and trade) pricing of products, and servcies  could well be unnecessary&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Apologies for error, or as Shakespeare put it &#8220;To err is human&#8230;.&#8221; at least to err as little as possible ofcourse!</p>
<p>RS.</p>
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		<title>By: RobertSearle</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2007/11/23/debtwatch-podcast-now-up-and-running/comment-page-1/#comment-490</link>
		<dc:creator>RobertSearle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, et al,

          No, I am NOT ofcourse advocating a  command economy. Rather we are talking about a free market capitalist system with little government intervention as possible.

However, the super-flexible pricing system allows for largely "natural" self-adjustments of prices necessary within the present set-up. It may well be infact that most products, and services would not require mandatory inflation registration. Instead, they would only apply to certain manufacturers, and suppliers of raw materials. Thus, the retail (and trade) pricing of products, and services could well be unnecessary, and thus, any changes in prices would occur more "naturally" within the present market economy.

The above as yet requires alot of research with the aid of established experts in economics, and IT. Moreover, there is reason to believe that such a super- advanced system of  incomes policy (replacing direct, and indirect taxation) would require little, or virtually no "central planning".

If inflation can be controlled directly,and effectively it means that electronic transmission of new unearned money (ie. non-repayable)would be possible with little, or no devaluation of currency. If society has the MENTAL MATURITY to accept this notion the implications for humanity are truly mind-boggling.

 TFE can be seen to becoming painfully relevant especially in the light of  the sheer costs involved in tackling, and adapting to Global Warming. It is becoming obvious that the present financial system is inadequate. The survival of humanity could well be at stake, and  TFE may well hold the key.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, et al,</p>
<p>          No, I am NOT ofcourse advocating a  command economy. Rather we are talking about a free market capitalist system with little government intervention as possible.</p>
<p>However, the super-flexible pricing system allows for largely &#8220;natural&#8221; self-adjustments of prices necessary within the present set-up. It may well be infact that most products, and services would not require mandatory inflation registration. Instead, they would only apply to certain manufacturers, and suppliers of raw materials. Thus, the retail (and trade) pricing of products, and services could well be unnecessary, and thus, any changes in prices would occur more &#8220;naturally&#8221; within the present market economy.</p>
<p>The above as yet requires alot of research with the aid of established experts in economics, and IT. Moreover, there is reason to believe that such a super- advanced system of  incomes policy (replacing direct, and indirect taxation) would require little, or virtually no &#8220;central planning&#8221;.</p>
<p>If inflation can be controlled directly,and effectively it means that electronic transmission of new unearned money (ie. non-repayable)would be possible with little, or no devaluation of currency. If society has the MENTAL MATURITY to accept this notion the implications for humanity are truly mind-boggling.</p>
<p> TFE can be seen to becoming painfully relevant especially in the light of  the sheer costs involved in tackling, and adapting to Global Warming. It is becoming obvious that the present financial system is inadequate. The survival of humanity could well be at stake, and  TFE may well hold the key.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveZ</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2007/11/23/debtwatch-podcast-now-up-and-running/comment-page-1/#comment-489</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, what exactly did Japan do wrong?

It pushed interest rates to near zero, it commenced a massive capital works program to try to stimulate the economy. I think the Government even posted cheques to people one year in order to boost the economy. All of this is classical Keynesian stuff yet it failed to stimulate the economy. How would you have played the game?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, what exactly did Japan do wrong?</p>
<p>It pushed interest rates to near zero, it commenced a massive capital works program to try to stimulate the economy. I think the Government even posted cheques to people one year in order to boost the economy. All of this is classical Keynesian stuff yet it failed to stimulate the economy. How would you have played the game?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2007/11/23/debtwatch-podcast-now-up-and-running/comment-page-1/#comment-488</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert - regarding Transfinancial Economics - from your short post it sounds a bit like you a proposing a capital allocation system that is effectively command and control (i.e. socialism).  But just incase I've misunderstood I will read the paper that your post links too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert - regarding Transfinancial Economics - from your short post it sounds a bit like you a proposing a capital allocation system that is effectively command and control (i.e. socialism).  But just incase I&#8217;ve misunderstood I will read the paper that your post links too.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Keen</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2007/11/23/debtwatch-podcast-now-up-and-running/comment-page-1/#comment-487</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Keen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 07:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree entirely Ken. Once we've set up an economic structure that supports speculative behaviour, then we're stuck with the ultimate consequences.

The day of "no other options" seems to be approaching now--and certainly Japan arrived there 15 years ago. The problem is that, unless there is prior awareness of what causes the crisis, the same conventional policies will be adhered to--as Japan itself has done, unsuccessfully, for fifteen years.

Hence my initiation of this blog and the DebtWatch Report in the first place. I fully expect policy makers to stick with the tried and untrue approaches during a debt deflation, should one eventuate. My hope is simply that having flagged the problem before it arises, policy proposals I make during it will be received more favourably than they would have been otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree entirely Ken. Once we&#8217;ve set up an economic structure that supports speculative behaviour, then we&#8217;re stuck with the ultimate consequences.</p>
<p>The day of &#8220;no other options&#8221; seems to be approaching now&#8211;and certainly Japan arrived there 15 years ago. The problem is that, unless there is prior awareness of what causes the crisis, the same conventional policies will be adhered to&#8211;as Japan itself has done, unsuccessfully, for fifteen years.</p>
<p>Hence my initiation of this blog and the DebtWatch Report in the first place. I fully expect policy makers to stick with the tried and untrue approaches during a debt deflation, should one eventuate. My hope is simply that having flagged the problem before it arises, policy proposals I make during it will be received more favourably than they would have been otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2007/11/23/debtwatch-podcast-now-up-and-running/comment-page-1/#comment-486</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 03:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There really isn't any place to comment on your DebtWatch publication, so I'm doing it here.

You point out that Howard hasn't left exactly the best economy for Rudd. While this is true, Labor would have to take some responsibility for this. It is only 18 months ago they were still running the "high-taxing government" line. Good politics but not reality. Maybe Howard should have stuck to a more fiscally responsible economics (there was plenty of evidence that Costello didn't approve of the size of tax cuts), but one look at both parties election policies shows that lower taxation is popular.  Labor's view that tax cuts should have been a couple of billion lower wouldn't have made much difference anyway, not in an economy that is increasing debt at over $150 billion per year. It seems that this is the basis of your economic beliefs, that eventually flows of money through debt are so great that they exceed anything that a government can do, so when they stop, the economy stops. Seems sensible to me.

The political aspect also relates to the reason nothing has been done about debt. Steve has commented on the problems that will happen when debt stops growing, but any government that restricts debt growth will have the same problems, and would be blamed for the problems. Of course the earlier the better, but try explaining to an electorate that the policies that are making them worse off now, will in the long term make them better off. Things will change when there are no other options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There really isn&#8217;t any place to comment on your DebtWatch publication, so I&#8217;m doing it here.</p>
<p>You point out that Howard hasn&#8217;t left exactly the best economy for Rudd. While this is true, Labor would have to take some responsibility for this. It is only 18 months ago they were still running the &#8220;high-taxing government&#8221; line. Good politics but not reality. Maybe Howard should have stuck to a more fiscally responsible economics (there was plenty of evidence that Costello didn&#8217;t approve of the size of tax cuts), but one look at both parties election policies shows that lower taxation is popular.  Labor&#8217;s view that tax cuts should have been a couple of billion lower wouldn&#8217;t have made much difference anyway, not in an economy that is increasing debt at over $150 billion per year. It seems that this is the basis of your economic beliefs, that eventually flows of money through debt are so great that they exceed anything that a government can do, so when they stop, the economy stops. Seems sensible to me.</p>
<p>The political aspect also relates to the reason nothing has been done about debt. Steve has commented on the problems that will happen when debt stops growing, but any government that restricts debt growth will have the same problems, and would be blamed for the problems. Of course the earlier the better, but try explaining to an electorate that the policies that are making them worse off now, will in the long term make them better off. Things will change when there are no other options.</p>
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		<title>By: RobertSearle</title>
		<link>http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2007/11/23/debtwatch-podcast-now-up-and-running/comment-page-1/#comment-483</link>
		<dc:creator>RobertSearle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TRANSFINANCIAL ECONOMICS, THE NEW PARADIGM.

We live in what can be best termed a debt based economy. I am in the process of doing a research, and development project known as Transfinancial Economics, or TFE for short. If true it is probably the greatest breakthrough in the history of economics because in the right hands it would solve a huge number of the worlds problems. 

Before proceeding I should say that the ideas of TFE were accepted by a peer reviewed journal of reputre, but I had to withdraw it from publication due to a dispute with the editor/publisher. A new paper is being created which would be advanced than the present internet essay on the internet. It will include new research, and ideas making the subject more credible.

A problem with TFE is that it is a genuine paradigm, and could be "too advanced" for its time. However, time may not be on the side of humanity, and a new financial system no matter how evolved is desparetly needed. The present debt based one is not going to take us far. 

Without going into graphic detail TFE believes in the following.

i) Apart from earned money new non-repayable funding could be created responsibly for governments without taxation. Likewise, NGOs could be treated likewise with either part, or full financial empowerment. 

ii) Since virtually all money exists as electronic data transmitted from one bank account to another it can be directly tracked, and controlled. With advanced computer programming bank computers could control the price, and wage  of most products, and services in a way unimaginable when compared with incomes policies. This whole process would involve high degrees of price flexibility necessary for the present capitalist.

iii) What does this all mean? The answer is various, and the implications for society, the economy, and politics are "fantastical" if have the vision to  know, and understand...............Here, are some examples in brief.

iv) Those corporations using "unsustainable" technologies would have powerful financial incentives to change their ways by means of huge commercial grants created by new non-repayable money. 

v) Universal healthcare for all could be created with new money. It could either be state, or privately run, or ofcourse a bit of both. But the point is that there would always be the capital available. The only limits are NATURAL ONES of planning, and ofcourse relevant resources whilst money itself is ARTIFICIAL and is created as electronic transmissions from one bank account to another.

vi) Many charities concerned with heart disease, AIDs, poverty alleviation, etc, etc would be fully funded properly with new unearned money.

The above three examples of TFE can give us some idea of what could be achieved!!  Moreover, private banks can still exist, and profit as never before. So, it is in their interest (including corporations) for a tax, and indeed, an interest free economy to exist.

For more detail there is an internet essay but it will be improved upon greatly fairly soon including new concepts concerning super-flexible "controls" etc .

   http://kheper.net/essays/Transfinancial_Economics.html

Apologies for any errors in the text of this blog comment section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TRANSFINANCIAL ECONOMICS, THE NEW PARADIGM.</p>
<p>We live in what can be best termed a debt based economy. I am in the process of doing a research, and development project known as Transfinancial Economics, or TFE for short. If true it is probably the greatest breakthrough in the history of economics because in the right hands it would solve a huge number of the worlds problems. </p>
<p>Before proceeding I should say that the ideas of TFE were accepted by a peer reviewed journal of reputre, but I had to withdraw it from publication due to a dispute with the editor/publisher. A new paper is being created which would be advanced than the present internet essay on the internet. It will include new research, and ideas making the subject more credible.</p>
<p>A problem with TFE is that it is a genuine paradigm, and could be &#8220;too advanced&#8221; for its time. However, time may not be on the side of humanity, and a new financial system no matter how evolved is desparetly needed. The present debt based one is not going to take us far. </p>
<p>Without going into graphic detail TFE believes in the following.</p>
<p>i) Apart from earned money new non-repayable funding could be created responsibly for governments without taxation. Likewise, NGOs could be treated likewise with either part, or full financial empowerment. </p>
<p>ii) Since virtually all money exists as electronic data transmitted from one bank account to another it can be directly tracked, and controlled. With advanced computer programming bank computers could control the price, and wage  of most products, and services in a way unimaginable when compared with incomes policies. This whole process would involve high degrees of price flexibility necessary for the present capitalist.</p>
<p>iii) What does this all mean? The answer is various, and the implications for society, the economy, and politics are &#8220;fantastical&#8221; if have the vision to  know, and understand&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Here, are some examples in brief.</p>
<p>iv) Those corporations using &#8220;unsustainable&#8221; technologies would have powerful financial incentives to change their ways by means of huge commercial grants created by new non-repayable money. </p>
<p>v) Universal healthcare for all could be created with new money. It could either be state, or privately run, or ofcourse a bit of both. But the point is that there would always be the capital available. The only limits are NATURAL ONES of planning, and ofcourse relevant resources whilst money itself is ARTIFICIAL and is created as electronic transmissions from one bank account to another.</p>
<p>vi) Many charities concerned with heart disease, AIDs, poverty alleviation, etc, etc would be fully funded properly with new unearned money.</p>
<p>The above three examples of TFE can give us some idea of what could be achieved!!  Moreover, private banks can still exist, and profit as never before. So, it is in their interest (including corporations) for a tax, and indeed, an interest free economy to exist.</p>
<p>For more detail there is an internet essay but it will be improved upon greatly fairly soon including new concepts concerning super-flexible &#8220;controls&#8221; etc .</p>
<p>   <a href="http://kheper.net/essays/Transfinancial_Economics.html" rel="nofollow">http://kheper.net/essays/Transfinancial_Economics.html</a></p>
<p>Apologies for any errors in the text of this blog comment section.</p>
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